I’m vehemently opposed to identity politics and despise the notion that if someone disagrees with something, they’re some type of radical nutcase that isn’t valuable to society.

Here is the definition of culture: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group. Woke is defined as aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues. Understanding those definitions, do you not think there is a social group of people that identify as woke and/or support the woke movement?

People that support others in society is good AND necessary. I left my longterm career in government because the departments/agencies didn’t offer the assistance, programs and services required to pull people out of their circumstances, so now I run a non-profit for justice-involved youth in Texas that genuinely attempts to help people.

In saying that, I do not believe that anything works in absolutes. What I mean, is that there shouldn’t be a mandate by a group or entity that says if you don’t support a particular cause or individual case, you can be persecuted in a litany of ways.


Examples:

The biological male swimmer that competed against biological female swimmers in publicly funded collegiate events. The swimmer was allowed to change in women’s locker rooms with male genitalia showing and the women had no real recourse; not to mention they couldn’t physically compete with the swimmer based on the biological physical superiority of males. People that oppose allowing these conditions are labeled as intolerant bigots.

Allowing theft in certain places — in particular areas, stores/shops are not permitted to stop shoplifters and if they do, they are not prosecuted. This is supposedly permitted because some people aren’t able to support themselves, but it’s not beneficial to the majority society. A lot of people are fleeing these areas because they don’t feel safe or supported because preference is given to criminals over citizens.

Normalizing/accepting pedophilia; of course there are pedos in the world and while they might be a minority and unable to change their preferences, they shouldn’t be allowed to continue their behavior or have their labels changed to a more socially acceptable/warm term like MAP to help reduce prejudice toward them. They need to be removed from society full stop.

There are endless examples of this in the U.S. — I can’t speak to other countries, but woke culture is very much real/alive here.

I didn't say being "woke" didn't exist. I specifically mentioned the so-called "woke culture" (in my first post, not in the second). I know what being "woke" initially meant and it was supposed to be positive. But the problem is that the only people who usually talk about "woke culture" are people who complain about no longer being able to say/do anything or about how social norms are changing.

Furthermore, even in your examples, you use it as an umbrella term, which is my main issue with using "woke" or "woke culture". People who would normalize pedophilia or allow theft are not "woke", they're just fucking idiots. If they claim to be "woke" because of this then they highjacked the term to justify their idiocy. At some point, we have to call a fig a fig.

You're also referring to cancel culture in trying to shut down those who disagree. It's unfortunately a real thing BUT does not only involve the left. Of course the right is very good at accusing the left of doing that because they main schtick is projection. But it also has nothing to do with being "woke".



I agree with your other post but not this and you should be cancelled for this.



Hey we're changing the real world on the Internet here! It's some serious stuff!

I will reiterate that by far the most powerful form of identity politics in the USA is white nationalism. I'd also use this thread as proof for how effective the right-wing pipeline that takes people from "People are too easily offended these days!" to "The far-left is taking over and supporting pedophiles in the name of wokeism!" is.

(Would be good if mods moved all this to a politics/culture-war thread, I think. It's a fine discussion but this thread is for people to slowly realise that Holy Mountain is the best song Noel has ever written.)

I have a pal who has a good job at the murdoch news group, his wife is a scientist who works for koch industries and they have assured me that woke is essentially how the cultural marxists have indoctrinated our young people into believing communist ideology, making them believe in an unachievable utopia, when the reality is a future dystopian hellscape in which chairman Mao and Xi Jinping eat your dogs, Stalin and Putin eat your babies and you are made to watch as hoardes of Muslim fanatic terrorists invade your country and erode your traditions and culture while you kneel in front of Che and Fidel awaiting your execution, I'm almost certain that's what they said but I did kinda zone out a bit at the end cause my latte was getting a bit cold.....

Yeah I lose track of things too without my latte.



Rightfully so ha ha ha

Say what you will but this is one hell of a good setlist. 

Great news to have Going Nowhere back!

It's never been played live!

Well, yes... I meant back from The Masterplan I guess, or back from 1997.
I think it is a very nice song and a good fit for the current Noel-Bacharach phase.

And, Liam if that's true. 

I remember opening that and questioning the exact same thing. Stacey even got replaced by the end of that tour, what a hell was Noel thinking