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Post by shadowplay on May 11, 2023 14:22:46 GMT -5
I like that in The Heat Of the Moment is so high on that list. I fucking love that song.
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Post by mossy on May 12, 2023 4:16:20 GMT -5
I like that in The Heat Of the Moment is so high on that list. I fucking love that song. It got a big boost from being featured prominently on Netflix’s Umbrella Academy. Their playlist has 100,000+ saves on Spotify. Not to the same level of course, but similar to how Kate Bush and Metallica got massive boosts from Stranger Things.
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Post by Sadie on May 16, 2023 11:31:30 GMT -5
Noel being a dickhead once again
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Post by The Escapist on May 16, 2023 11:53:50 GMT -5
Noel being a dickhead once again British people's brains sail away to Neverland somewhere around the age of forty-seven. It's a known condition. Symptoms are even more pronounced in the wealthy and the divorced.
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Post by welshylad on May 16, 2023 12:15:36 GMT -5
Noel being a dickhead once again How’s he being a dickhead? What he’s saying is right. Nobody can say fuck all these days with someone taking offence (im guessing ur a middle aged woman? 😂)
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Post by The Escapist on May 16, 2023 12:20:04 GMT -5
Noel being a dickhead once again How’s he being a dickhead? What he’s saying is right. Nobody can say fuck all these days with someone taking offence (im guessing ur a middle aged woman? 😂) You're not wrong. These days, if you say you like women, you get arrested and thrown in jail.
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Post by Jessica on May 16, 2023 13:12:16 GMT -5
Yeah, no, he's right. A lot of (yes, angry, white) middle-aged woman are forcing things on everyone, even as other women don't agree with them (like me), and a lot of younger people just want to be in the right and don't question a lot of it. It's awful.
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Post by The Escapist on May 16, 2023 13:45:50 GMT -5
Noel, who also has a daughter Anais, 23, with ex-wife Meg Mathews, accused women of, little by little, eroding young men’s confidence. He said: “I’ve got two young sons and I feel anxious for young guys.
“They don’t really know how to behave with all this woke s**t that’s now foisted upon everybody.
“Angry, white middle-aged women telling young guys how to behave and all this b******s."
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Lotta people commenting on what it's like for young men "these days" here, none of which are young men.
Well, I'm one! And it's all bollocks.
Women are great, our confidence is fine. In fact, if you're so fragile in your confidence and patterns of behaviour that it can be eroded by reading things you don't like online, I'd suggest you weren't exactly Bruce Willis in Die Hard to start with. I'm not even sure what behaviour or kinds of chat it is that I'm supposed to be gagged against by "wokeism" or this cabal of middle-aged women; people talk about it all in quite vague terms, for some reason.
If you do want a specific: a video was shared last week where a man put a drug into a woman's drink in a public bar, and not one man around him said a thing. About three of them laughed at the sight. It was only when a woman noticed that anyone stepped in. If you want to worry about young people and sexual attitudes, I'd start with that kind of thing and then move on to "You can't even tell a bird she's got great tits, these days!" later.
Or, if Noel is talking about snorting coke, playing rock, and shagging around; I can tell you those are all very much still good hobbies in working-class youth-culture. Young people at festivals aren't there to play Monopoly.
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Post by The Escapist on May 16, 2023 14:09:46 GMT -5
I will say that there are attitudes towards women that I engaged in when I was about sixteen which I wouldn't do now. Not because I'm scared of being cancelled by the Offended Woke Police, but because it made me sound like a insecure virgin knobhead. Which, of course, is what I was. That's not cancel culture; that's growing up.
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Post by carlober on May 16, 2023 15:30:21 GMT -5
Here's a scan of the interview. Enjoy!
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Post by Jessica on May 16, 2023 15:35:42 GMT -5
I will say that there are attitudes towards women that I engaged in when I was about sixteen which I wouldn't do now. Not because I'm scared of being cancelled by the Offended Woke Police, but because it made me sound like a insecure virgin knobhead. Which, of course, is what I was. That's not cancel culture; that's growing up. Of course, and you learnt that on your own, which is the way it should be. You cannot not have bad experiences in life, everyone has them because life isn't perfect to begin with.
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Post by The Escapist on May 16, 2023 16:37:45 GMT -5
I will say that there are attitudes towards women that I engaged in when I was about sixteen which I wouldn't do now. Not because I'm scared of being cancelled by the Offended Woke Police, but because it made me sound like a insecure virgin knobhead. Which, of course, is what I was. That's not cancel culture; that's growing up. Of course, and you learnt that on your own, which is the way it should be. You cannot not have bad experiences in life, everyone has them because life isn't perfect to begin with. That sounds nice, but no. I didn't learn on my own, at all. Having the voices of women amplified was a big part of learning how a lot of the things I'd learned were, at the best, not flattering. I'm grateful to them; it hasn't eroded my confidence in the slightest, it's given me a fuller view of life and that's a good thing. My girlfriend would certainly agree, I'm sure. Contrary to what the culture war might tell you, no-one is expected to be perfect. Tyler the Creator was once lambasted for his misogynistic lyrics, but his growth since then has made him a pop-culture favourite. I could list more: even the Gallaghers are examples of people who have behaved like dickheads without being thrown in jail with a finished career by the Woke Police. So am I, and so are all of us. There's nothing to be scared of. Look, the corporate/PR side of "political correctness" is irritating. It's okay to tell rude jokes, it's okay to flirt, it's okay to enjoy that girl getting her tits out in Familiar to Millions; we all roll our eyes at that clandestine advertising culture where everything is squeaky-clean and inclusive and smug. But underneath that, in the real world, there's no middle-aged woman cult emasculating men. There's no Thought Police, or perma-offended snowflake army, or neo-Marxist loony-left takeover. In the list of things for Noel Gallagher to have anxiety about, his sons being exposed to modern feminism should be as low down in the charts as Sunday Morning Call was in the USA.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 16, 2023 16:59:04 GMT -5
Of course, and you learnt that on your own, which is the way it should be. You cannot not have bad experiences in life, everyone has them because life isn't perfect to begin with. That sounds nice, but no. I didn't learn on my own, at all. Having the voices of women amplified was a big part of learning how a lot of the things I'd learned were, at the best, not flattering. I'm grateful to them; it hasn't eroded my confidence in the slightest, it's given me a fuller view of life and that's a good thing. My girlfriend would certainly agree, I'm sure. Contrary to what the culture war might tell you, no-one is expected to be perfect. Tyler the Creator was once lambasted for his misogynistic lyrics, but his growth since then has made him a pop-culture favourite. I could list more: even the Gallaghers are examples of people who have behaved like dickheads without being thrown in jail with a finished career by the Woke Police. So am I, and so are all of us. There's nothing to be scared of. Look, the corporate/PR side of "political correctness" is irritating. It's okay to tell rude jokes, it's okay to flirt, it's okay to enjoy that girl getting her tits out in Familiar to Millions; we all roll our eyes at that clandestine advertising culture where everything is squeaky-clean and inclusive and smug. But underneath that, in the real world, there's no middle-aged woman cult emasculating men. There's no Thought Police, or perma-offended snowflake army, or neo-Marxist loony-left takeover. In the list of things for Noel Gallagher to have anxiety about, his sons being exposed to modern feminism should be as low down in the charts as Sunday Morning Call was in the USA. I think the problem lies more with his kids being part of a generation where it's harder to tell the difference between the real world and social media, they were born in it, so that part of politically correctness you described feels like it's very real and very close, while in reality you go out and joke around with your mates and maybe do stupid things and there's no woke police waiting for you It's obviously right to advocate for woman and make men realise that something wasn't right just because "it's always been like that", it's great that now we're able to speak out more and more and be more aware of what we should and shouldn't endure, but I'm not sure kids these days have the tools to understand where's the line between progress as a society and just random limitations or looking at stupid things to sound smart and pretend you are "cancelling" someone We (I assume you're more or less the same age as me) are on the edge but I think still grew up with a different awareness and this whole woke vs anti-woke looks a bit silly, old boomers just don't get it, young gen Zers may all be a bit too much into it to think with their own heads
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on May 16, 2023 17:10:09 GMT -5
seen this on facebook not sure when its broadcast but do know its not this weekend would make more sense to be sat 3rd the day after the album comes out
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Post by The Escapist on May 16, 2023 17:17:16 GMT -5
That sounds nice, but no. I didn't learn on my own, at all. Having the voices of women amplified was a big part of learning how a lot of the things I'd learned were, at the best, not flattering. I'm grateful to them; it hasn't eroded my confidence in the slightest, it's given me a fuller view of life and that's a good thing. My girlfriend would certainly agree, I'm sure. Contrary to what the culture war might tell you, no-one is expected to be perfect. Tyler the Creator was once lambasted for his misogynistic lyrics, but his growth since then has made him a pop-culture favourite. I could list more: even the Gallaghers are examples of people who have behaved like dickheads without being thrown in jail with a finished career by the Woke Police. So am I, and so are all of us. There's nothing to be scared of. Look, the corporate/PR side of "political correctness" is irritating. It's okay to tell rude jokes, it's okay to flirt, it's okay to enjoy that girl getting her tits out in Familiar to Millions; we all roll our eyes at that clandestine advertising culture where everything is squeaky-clean and inclusive and smug. But underneath that, in the real world, there's no middle-aged woman cult emasculating men. There's no Thought Police, or perma-offended snowflake army, or neo-Marxist loony-left takeover. In the list of things for Noel Gallagher to have anxiety about, his sons being exposed to modern feminism should be as low down in the charts as Sunday Morning Call was in the USA. I think the problem lies more with his kids being part of a generation where it's harder to tell the difference between the real world and social media, they were born in it, so that part of politically correctness you described feels like it's very real and very close, while in reality you go out and joke around with your mates and maybe do stupid things and there's no woke police waiting for you It's obviously right to advocate for woman and make men realise that something wasn't right just because "it's always been like that", it's great that now we're able to speak out more and more and be more aware of what we should and shouldn't endure, but I'm not sure kids these days have the tools to understand where's the line between progress as a society and just random limitations or looking at stupid things to sound smart and pretend you are "cancelling" someone We (I assume you're more or less the same age as me) are on the edge but I think still grew up with a different awareness and this whole woke vs anti-woke looks a bit silly, old boomers just don't get it, young gen Zers may all be a bit too much into it to think with their own heads That's a more interesting angle, but if you get into online toxic cultures, then "overly-enthusiastic feminists on Twitter" ranks about 1000th in the list of things that anyone need to worry about. People are anonymous online and act in a million ways they never would in person, attempts to "cancel" celebs for dickhead quotes/actions is the very least of that. Particularly if what you're worried about is the possible impact on young men. In fact, I would argue the most dangerous form of identity politics that young men could find themselves sucked into online is not "wokeism", but the opposite; young lads identifying themselves as anti-woke Andrew-Tate-worshipping borderline-incels is much more of an issue to be concerned about than whether they can still chat up a woman with all these offended types milling about. If that's what Noel is talking about. Like I said, the stuff you "can't do anymore" is always left pretty vague. At the end of the day, the worst that'll happen to Noel's kids with "woke culture" is that they'll send a daft tweet about a celebrity or think twice about how they speak to a woman. Maybe someone will even send a tweet about them. Depending on the reason why, they might even make less money from lucrative branding deals, God forbid. But the worst that'll happen to them with "anti-woke" culture is not something that can be realistically gotten into without accusations of hysteria. But spend ten minutes reading news of out America, and you'll know. Gen Z'll be fine. So will we. So will Noel's sons. Again, I'm a young man, and if I didn't go online, I would have no idea about the fact that middle-aged women are eroding my confidence and that I can't say anything because of offended people. I hadn't noticed! I assume the wokerati have let me off due to my fabulous music taste.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 16, 2023 17:19:17 GMT -5
I think the problem lies more with his kids being part of a generation where it's harder to tell the difference between the real world and social media, they were born in it, so that part of politically correctness you described feels like it's very real and very close, while in reality you go out and joke around with your mates and maybe do stupid things and there's no woke police waiting for you It's obviously right to advocate for woman and make men realise that something wasn't right just because "it's always been like that", it's great that now we're able to speak out more and more and be more aware of what we should and shouldn't endure, but I'm not sure kids these days have the tools to understand where's the line between progress as a society and just random limitations or looking at stupid things to sound smart and pretend you are "cancelling" someone We (I assume you're more or less the same age as me) are on the edge but I think still grew up with a different awareness and this whole woke vs anti-woke looks a bit silly, old boomers just don't get it, young gen Zers may all be a bit too much into it to think with their own heads That's a more interesting angle, but if you get into online toxic cultures, then "overly-enthusiastic feminists on Twitter" ranks about 1000th in the list of things that anyone need to worry about. People are anonymous online and act in a million ways they never would in person, attempts to "cancel" celebs for dickhead quotes/actions is the very least of that. Particularly if what you're worried about is the possible impact on young men. In fact, I would argue the most dangerous form of identity politics that young men could find themselves sucked into online is not "wokeism", but the opposite; young lads identifying themselves as anti-woke Andrew-Tate-worshipping borderline-incels is much more of an issue to be concerned about than whether they can still chat up a woman with all these offended types. At the end of the day, the worst that'll happen to Noel's kids with "woke culture" is that they'll send a daft tweet about a celebrity or think twice about how they speak to a woman. Maybe someone will even send a tweet about them. Depending on the reason why, they might even make less money from lucrative branding deals, God forbid. But the worst that'll happen to them with "anti-woke" culture is not something that can be realistically gotten into without accusations of hysteria. Gen Z'll be fine. So will we. So will Noel's sons. Again, I'm a young man, and if I didn't go online, I would have no idea about the fact that middle-aged women are eroding my confidence and that I can't say anything because of offended people. I hadn't noticed! I hope Noel doesn't even know who Tate is tbh
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Post by The Escapist on May 16, 2023 17:22:04 GMT -5
(Anyway, the Jools Holland performance should be good!).
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Post by The Escapist on May 16, 2023 17:22:43 GMT -5
That's a more interesting angle, but if you get into online toxic cultures, then "overly-enthusiastic feminists on Twitter" ranks about 1000th in the list of things that anyone need to worry about. People are anonymous online and act in a million ways they never would in person, attempts to "cancel" celebs for dickhead quotes/actions is the very least of that. Particularly if what you're worried about is the possible impact on young men. In fact, I would argue the most dangerous form of identity politics that young men could find themselves sucked into online is not "wokeism", but the opposite; young lads identifying themselves as anti-woke Andrew-Tate-worshipping borderline-incels is much more of an issue to be concerned about than whether they can still chat up a woman with all these offended types. At the end of the day, the worst that'll happen to Noel's kids with "woke culture" is that they'll send a daft tweet about a celebrity or think twice about how they speak to a woman. Maybe someone will even send a tweet about them. Depending on the reason why, they might even make less money from lucrative branding deals, God forbid. But the worst that'll happen to them with "anti-woke" culture is not something that can be realistically gotten into without accusations of hysteria. Gen Z'll be fine. So will we. So will Noel's sons. Again, I'm a young man, and if I didn't go online, I would have no idea about the fact that middle-aged women are eroding my confidence and that I can't say anything because of offended people. I hadn't noticed! I hope Noel doesn't even know who Tate is tbh Noel probably still thinks the internet is on dial-up, I think we're safe there.
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Post by darmin on May 16, 2023 23:39:12 GMT -5
I hope Noel doesn't even know who Tate is tbh Noel probably still thinks the internet is on dial-up, I think we're safe there. How everyone forgot that he used to be on Instagram? And allegedly on Twitter. I assume like most of the people he uses YouTube. He likes to pretend that doesn’t know anything about social media but it’s not the case. He easily could find there this incel shit he repeats now
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 17, 2023 5:35:11 GMT -5
Noel probably still thinks the internet is on dial-up, I think we're safe there. How everyone forgot that he used to be on Instagram? And allegedly on Twitter. I assume like most of the people he uses YouTube. He likes to pretend that doesn’t know anything about social media but it’s not the case. He easily could find there this incel shit he repeats now My mother uses twitter too but I doubt she knows who Andrew Tate is
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Post by The Chief on May 17, 2023 7:17:04 GMT -5
I think the problem lies more with his kids being part of a generation where it's harder to tell the difference between the real world and social media, they were born in it, so that part of politically correctness you described feels like it's very real and very close, while in reality you go out and joke around with your mates and maybe do stupid things and there's no woke police waiting for you It's obviously right to advocate for woman and make men realise that something wasn't right just because "it's always been like that", it's great that now we're able to speak out more and more and be more aware of what we should and shouldn't endure, but I'm not sure kids these days have the tools to understand where's the line between progress as a society and just random limitations or looking at stupid things to sound smart and pretend you are "cancelling" someone We (I assume you're more or less the same age as me) are on the edge but I think still grew up with a different awareness and this whole woke vs anti-woke looks a bit silly, old boomers just don't get it, young gen Zers may all be a bit too much into it to think with their own heads That's a more interesting angle, but if you get into online toxic cultures, then "overly-enthusiastic feminists on Twitter" ranks about 1000th in the list of things that anyone need to worry about. People are anonymous online and act in a million ways they never would in person, attempts to "cancel" celebs for dickhead quotes/actions is the very least of that. Particularly if what you're worried about is the possible impact on young men. In fact, I would argue the most dangerous form of identity politics that young men could find themselves sucked into online is not "wokeism", but the opposite; young lads identifying themselves as anti-woke Andrew-Tate-worshipping borderline-incels is much more of an issue to be concerned about than whether they can still chat up a woman with all these offended types milling about. If that's what Noel is talking about. Like I said, the stuff you "can't do anymore" is always left pretty vague. At the end of the day, the worst that'll happen to Noel's kids with "woke culture" is that they'll send a daft tweet about a celebrity or think twice about how they speak to a woman. Maybe someone will even send a tweet about them. Depending on the reason why, they might even make less money from lucrative branding deals, God forbid. But the worst that'll happen to them with "anti-woke" culture is not something that can be realistically gotten into without accusations of hysteria. But spend ten minutes reading news of out America, and you'll know. Gen Z'll be fine. So will we. So will Noel's sons. Again, I'm a young man, and if I didn't go online, I would have no idea about the fact that middle-aged women are eroding my confidence and that I can't say anything because of offended people. I hadn't noticed! I assume the wokerati have let me off due to my fabulous music taste. I agree and need to add this This so-called "woke" culture bemoaning is getting on my fucking nerves... So-called "woke" culture is not a thing. If Noel's not on social media then he's repeating what he's hearing on the news who milk every little minuscule piece of shit on social media as a culture war or an apocalyptic attack on our civilisation... and fucking Piers Morgan and that lot are not people anyone should turn to to understand the world unless they want to remain an old dirty wet fart until the day they die. What is so-called "woke" culture? You can't grab a woman's breasts, forcibly kiss her or have sex with her without her actually giving you permission to do it? You can't call a black man the 'n' word or try to paint them as violent burlgars? You can't say that Asians are dirty or Muslims are terrorists? You can't be contemptuous against people in the LGBTQ2S+ community? You have to use the pronoun you're asked to use? You can't discriminate against anyone who is not white or, more importantly, a white man? Oh my God that is awful! Whatever will happen of our civilisation! /S It's all absolute horseshit. We can still say plenty, we just can't say the racist, sexist and homophobic shit we've been saying for centuries and we can no longer use women as objects... What the so-called "woke" culture did is allow the people who were silenced for centuries stand up and say "Fuck this I'm not taking it anymore". Then you see the ones who were not silenced before, mostly white men, bitching about no longer being able to be fucking assholes like they were before... Plus Noel can bitch about feminists all he wants, he used to say that he was a feminist because he was raised by several strong women. If that's not "white middle-aged women telling young guys how to behave" then I don't know what is. Plus, what's wrong with middle-aged women telling young guys how to behave when that means not grabbing a woman's breasts or forcing her into having sex? Is that wrong? What the fuck! Are there extremes? Of course! If you judge anything by their extremes you'll be wrong. Andrew Small Dick Tate is a great example. He doesn't represent men and that's a fucking good thing. The younger generations are building THEIR world, THEIR reality. When were all maggot food, their reality will be theirs, not ours. Our opinion on how they build their society is meaningless. That shit's been happening for thousands of years. The old generation doesn't understand the new generation and bitch about it. Before, the old generation would die in their thirties, forties and fifties. Now they live until 100 so they'll have to learn to live with what they don't understand... and I hope that they do and finally shut up about it...
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Post by jeffrey on May 17, 2023 8:12:08 GMT -5
To say woke culture isn’t a thing is ridiculous (at least in the U.S.). Of course it’s real; it’s far left ideology. Same as the far right being called nazis or nationalists. The label might not meet the exact definition of the terms used to identify these types of ideologies, but it’s definitely real.
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Post by The Chief on May 17, 2023 8:36:23 GMT -5
To say woke culture isn’t a thing is ridiculous (at least in the U.S.). Of course it’s real; it’s far left ideology. Same as the far right being called nazis or nationalists. The label might not meet the exact definition of the terms used to identify these types of ideologies, but it’s definitely real. Is it? What is the definition of "woke" culture? That's a real question, I genuinely want to know. What does it mean? What does the so-called "far left" do that is part of the "woke" culture? I've yet to hear anyone using that term as a negative thing be able to answer those questions. They usually use it as an umbrella term to bitch about anything they don't like or any change they don't like or fucking green M&M's not being sexy anymore... it's the modern day "communist". I'm genuinely interested in knowing what "woke" culture is supposed to be for those who see it as a bad thing.
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Post by The Escapist on May 17, 2023 9:55:48 GMT -5
To say woke culture isn’t a thing is ridiculous (at least in the U.S.). Of course it’s real; it’s far left ideology. Same as the far right being called nazis or nationalists. The label might not meet the exact definition of the terms used to identify these types of ideologies, but it’s definitely real. Is it? What is the definition of "woke" culture? That's a real question, I genuinely want to know. What does it mean? What does the so-called "far left" do that is part of the "woke" culture? I've yet to hear anyone using that term as a negative thing be able to answer those questions. They usually use it as an umbrella term to bitch about anything they don't like or any change they don't like or fucking green M&M's not being sexy anymore... it's the modern day "communist". I'm genuinely interested in knowing what "woke" culture is supposed to be for those who see it as a bad thing. "Woke" is a shadow on the wall; it reveals nothing about the wall, but tells us a lot about where the image is being projected from. I hate to derail the thread (again) but here's The Story of "Woke"... The fact is that all societies have political ideas inherent in them, which most people who grow up in those societies will see as apolitical common sense. And a lot of them are! All of us believe, for instance, in the idea that no vote should count more than another. All votes should be equal. They're not, of course, but we do seem to believe that they should be. Fine. That's an old Greek political idea, and it is quite common-sense. The trouble is, not all of them are so clear-cut. In the UK and the US, for instance, these ideas are quite baked-in: - Capitalism the best form of society possible. - Democracy is defined by elections within the state. - Animal suffering contains little, if any, moral dimension. - Oasis were the best band of the nineties by fucking miles. - Gender and sex are bound inherently and are unchangeable. - State police is a necessary and inherent feature of practical justice. - Systemic racism is a historical concern - individual racism is the issue. - Etc, etc, etc. You really could list a hundred of them. Whether you agree with these ideas or not, the point is that you didn't come up with them. They're part of the ideology that you grew up in, and for most they are seen as apolitical, or at least centrist; no-one can argue against Champagne Supernova, for instance. And here's the spicy bit: most people in our societies, who follow most of those things to some degree or another, like to consider themselves liberal. Who doesn't? Hey, compared to their parents, they probably are! But what if someone says those ideas are not liberal enough?Jesus! How far-left must they be?! The world is going mad! And, yeah. It is. The trouble is that things are fucked up, and the world is mad. Capitalism is destroying the environment, billions of animals are tortured and murdered as part of that every year, democracy seems a vacant dream when most people want socialised healthcare and no-one gets it. Young people make less money than their parents, they've fuck-all chance of a house, and some people still pretend that Blur were better. So, the younger generation is more willing to question the assumptions of society than their parents were. But when young people have an interest in something, guess who does as well? Corporations! Yay! Corporations take the progressive challenges of young people and turn it into advertising. Bastards Bank: Where All Races and Genders are Ripped-Off Equally. We're a good corporation, we've put 43% non-white people on our billboard! Let's edit old episodes of Fawlty Towers even though no-one fucking asked us to. Etc, etc.
Sports Illustrated put a gorgeous transgender woman on their cover this month. Good for her. But did they do it because she was the hottest model, or because they care about trans-rights? Did they fuck. They did it to look good to younger people, and to get free advertising from right-wingers who would kick off about it online. People want to be able to tell rude jokes in bad taste sometimes, to be imperfect, and this insincere culture of politically correct posturing makes most people want to throw up, naturally. This is how people buy into the idea of "woke". They see a "woke culture", and they dislike it. But these people again, have assumed ideas. They don't think of these things happening in the dynamics of capitalism: they see young people saying mad "far-left" stuff, and the world going mental with it all. The truth is that "woke" is not an ideology; the suffocating PC-ness people baulk at is the failure of our dominant cultural institutions to react to progressive thinking meaningfully, since that thinking undermines their existence. All they can do is posture at them, like an glass-eyed James-Corden-style Late Night Host. When that's what people see, they conflate it with the challenges, and call it "woke". So, that's where we end up. Don't be dickheads to women? Woke. We should change capitalism all-together? Woke. We should change capitalism a little? Woke. Finding an overweight woman attractive in a magazine? Woke. Winston Churchill was a racist? Woke. The Royal Family is a bad institution? Woke. This character in a game has smaller tits than before? You better believe that's woke. There's no single ideology behind any of this stuff. It's a hodgepodge of various challenges to various political assumptions, made by a variety of people with a variety of aims. The vast majority of "woke" people think capitalism is the best system after all, but after questioning it, they want to make some changes. A large portion of them think that transgender people in sports should be taken on a case-by-case basis, but that transgender identity is valid and deserves rights. Yes, some of them are nutters who think all sex is rape, but the only reason that's part of "woke" is because woke is a vapid term that can be thrown at any challenge to any assumed belief to make it seem far-left and hysterical. And that's... not good. There's an imbalance of power and of number here. If you convince a lot of people that their cultural traditions are being attacked by a far-left monolith, and that this is the biggest issue they face? Well, that's happened before. It doesn't end well. I'll leave you with this tweet from the wonderful Shaun, which is more insightful than it might first appear:
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Post by The Escapist on May 17, 2023 9:56:39 GMT -5
But my real thought is that Stop the Clocks has become underrated and is, in fact, a very nice tune.
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