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Post by jeffrey on Apr 23, 2023 9:15:36 GMT -5
Since you’re privy to Noel’s desires, which albums did he want to make after SOTSOG? Because, for me, HC is barely decent, DBTT is terrible and no album from his solo career is close to SOTSOG; the production is incredible, it’s cohesive and has massive tunes like GLIO, Gas Panic, Roll It Over, FITB. His new stuff sounds like it belongs on grocery/retail store, hotel lobby and/or elevator compilations. I actually think SOTSOG is worse than anything Noel did in his sólo career. The lack of soul in that album is so depressing. Even the good songs are depressing. DBTT is a total failure, but at least he's trying different things and eventually he found TIOBI, which opened new songwriting directions for him. And in what world is exactly Roll It Over a massive tune instead of a massive slog? You know mate, people have different tastes, get over it Well, I did qualify my comment by saying “for me” which indicates that it’s my opinion. You say SOTSOG lacks soul and that’s definitely not what I hear; his more recent stuff, totally soulless to my ears. For instance: Keep On Reaching — many say this is his Motown moment — but for me it’s a really bad version of Fall Out Boy attempting Motown. He has the right to release whatever type of music he wants, but I personally don’t think he’s very good at writing songs outside of the traditional Noel style. |
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Post by glider on Apr 23, 2023 10:57:52 GMT -5
Both of you guys are right and wrong you know, SOTSOG and WBTM are good albums 😎
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 23, 2023 11:07:34 GMT -5
Both of you guys are right and wrong you know, SOTSOG and WBTM are good albums 😎 Correct. SOTSOG has higher peaks, WBTM is more consistent. Both provide a nice bit of colour carved into Noel's discography - with a few better tracklist choices, Standing on the Shoulders of Giants could have been a creative peak of his, in fact. Little by Little, Let's All Make Believe, Full On - all should've been on there, and sang by Liam. No shortage of soul there at all, for me. |
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Post by The Escapist on Apr 23, 2023 17:08:49 GMT -5
I fucking love Holy Mountain. A limb-twisting, spine-kissing hurricane of sound. Mad! Drunk! Loud!
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Post by andymorris on Apr 24, 2023 1:51:17 GMT -5
Calm down! It was a tongue in cheek comment at those above who seem to know that Noel didn't want to make Council Skies (despite building his own studio, working on it for 2 years+, being a multi-millionaire with no record company demands who can do exactly as he pleases - he doesn't need to release anything, he could just tour his back catalouge whenever he wanted to earn some cash). I was just reflecting that I watched that Jools Holland Special and Noel was clearly in an utterly foul mood. I've no issues with the production of SotSoGs but the songs are a massive downer compared to the 3 albums preceding it. It's just an opinion. My view on SOTSOG is different. It's the first album Noel saw himself "Make". No drugs, the highlight of Oasis behind him and the pressure to put out something "different" after the massive backlash of BHN. The Era demanded different with Coldplay and Radiohead around. Actually, its the same situation as now, in reverse. He was under pressure to make something new, as now he's under the pressure to come up with the "old" sound. The problem with SOTSOG is that it was recorded several times. The demos are fantastic, and then two members left and it's basically a Noel Solo album with Liam's voice on it. I dont see this record as a failure personally. It explore territories that were really dangerous for Oasis back then, a bit like WBTM... but its stronger than HC or DBTT or even DOYS. As for him "not wanting" to make a record... well he has the pressure to do one every two years or so.....; He's got his own company, employees, people counting on him. So he has to make a record. but not necessarily THIS kind of record. It could be for various reasons that he decided to do CS : his manager, his divorce, lack of inspiration (this one is a strong hint for me), pressure from fans, pressure from his business partners to make some cash, pressure to make a sold out tour. There's a lot of reasons to do a tepid record. Not just music. I still doubt its the record he wanted to make, it's the record he had to make. He's falling back in the situation Oasis was in post SOTSOG actually. Cant go too far at risk of losing the fanbase. But, as i said previously, he could do what other independant artists are doing : releasing various kind of records. Some "Oasisy" ones to sell the tours, and some more adventurous ones that could be released inbetween. but right now, i guess it's too late. he's getting too old. Should have done that 10 years ago. |
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Apr 24, 2023 4:53:13 GMT -5
What I don't get is why people are calling this a comeback to more commercial sound.
Of the 4 singles, the one which is kind of radio friendly/throwback to Oasis sound is Easy Now. The others are not. At all.
Dead to the world is beautiful but not commercial. Pretty Boy and Council Skies are among the less commercial singles he has ever released, with Oasis or as Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds.
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Post by carl80 on Apr 24, 2023 5:39:45 GMT -5
Pretty Boy and Council Skies are among the less commercial singles he has ever released, with Oasis or as Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds. I agree , that’s why they are so great. |
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Post by andymorris on Apr 24, 2023 5:40:29 GMT -5
What I don't get is why people are calling this a comeback to more commercial sound. Of the 4 singles, the one which is kind of radio friendly/throwback to Oasis sound is Easy Now. The others are not. At all. Dead to the world is beautiful but not commercial. Pretty Boy and Council Skies are among the less commercial singles he has ever released, with Oasis or as Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds. I dont think anyone is calling them "commercial", more tired and lazy. They try to capture the Oasis spirit in a very MOR way. That's it. + you cant really think Council skies is among the less radio friendly singles he has ever released. It's like the "best of" song of his solo career, he took the songs that worked for him previously and did a mashup  It's shockingly obvious. Dead to the world isn't that commercial, it's a classic Noel tune with a bit of novelty in the production. To me it's the most ambitious song of the bunch. + it wasn't promoted a single, there is no video. Its not really a single, more like a teaser, whatever that means nowadays. Pretty Boy is like a tired try to sound different but failing hard : it's like a mellow version of an outtake from Chasing Yesterday, say in the Heat of the Moment (depressed version). There is nothing remotely dangerous about this tune. |
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Post by dazed on Apr 24, 2023 7:52:36 GMT -5
This album is shaping up to be the Heathen Chemistry of the HFB catalog. Turgid and uninspired retreads with some sparse moments of magic. We’re on Our Way Now and The Man Who Built the Moon are both better versions than Dead to the World.
Still excited to hear the whole thing nonetheless. Its by no means appalling thus far.
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Post by garylineker on Apr 24, 2023 18:00:07 GMT -5
I called it that he would go back to a more traditional approach. When you're uploading a crowd with their phones out in Brazil to justify a backlash to a song you know someone's deeply offended. As much as he will argue until he's blue in the face that he didn't give a shit.
I think one of the biggest issues was when that album come out. To do it at the same time as Liam got to unimaginable heights was a massive thing in my opinion. I reckon if he'd done it when Chasing Yesterday had come out when Liam wasnt around and Noel was filling everyone's gap (pardon the innuendo) it would have been less of an issue to Noel.
I wasn't as big a fan of WBTM as some and I certainly don't like the way those who like it on here dismiss people as lacking musical taste variation. As Oasis fans you should know that kind of snobbery from other fans is tedious. Maybe that's why you're doing it, I don't know.
What I did hope though is that he would ditch the laziness of the EP and WBTM era where he would hide behind actually quite a lack of variation but thought he was getting away with it cos there was new sounds on a Noel record. What's happened a bit with this record is he's still regurgitating ideas but with more traditional Noel songs and it's lacking a bit.
That said I love Dead To The World and Easy Now so 2 outta 2 ain't bad.
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Post by norkbauer on Apr 26, 2023 14:21:42 GMT -5
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Post by Manualex on Apr 26, 2023 16:08:05 GMT -5
Saw Noel on the city stadium for their PL game against Arsenal
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Post by AubreyOasis on Apr 28, 2023 12:12:50 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Apr 28, 2023 17:29:42 GMT -5
Absolutely mental.  |
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Post by tiger40 on Apr 29, 2023 12:48:30 GMT -5
Absolutely mental. lol Noel loves the Telly Tubies. |
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Post by Manualex on Apr 30, 2023 12:54:08 GMT -5
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Post by Supersonic on May 5, 2023 2:02:02 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone noticed but my NGHFB album remix has been released!
The whole album has been remixed from start to finish, let me know what you think!
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Post by jh on May 5, 2023 9:25:14 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone noticed but my NGHFB album remix has been released! The whole album has been remixed from start to finish, let me know what you think! You got some talent there my man! |
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Post by LlAM on May 9, 2023 2:32:51 GMT -5
Noel should put Full On in his setlist
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Post by jh on May 9, 2023 13:57:07 GMT -5
Noel should put Full On in his setlist I had forgotten about this stormer..love this tune...was it ever played live? |
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Post by underneaththesky on May 9, 2023 19:59:57 GMT -5
never forgot about Full On
I'd bring it on the next tour. US included. no need for Wonderwall this time in a 45 minutes setlist. Don't Look Back is well enough.
and The Fame at RAH next year
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Post by megyesitomate on May 10, 2023 5:13:48 GMT -5
Why was Wandering Star playing in a Hungarian Burger King? I had to stop for a moment.
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Post by tiger40 on May 10, 2023 12:46:27 GMT -5
Full On is a good tune even though it's not really one of my favourites. Maybe Noel will play it live one day. Also, he should play Carry Us All live too, I've always loved that song.
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Post by The Escapist on May 10, 2023 16:47:19 GMT -5
Noel should put Full On in his setlist Both brothers should stop pussy-footing and put All Around the Fucking World in their set-lists. |
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Post by mossy on May 11, 2023 13:27:54 GMT -5
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It's shockingly obvious.
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