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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 26, 2021 5:36:50 GMT -5
I know that they're aware, but Matt is hardly getting anything from it cause they don't credit the source and Noel seems surprisingly able to zone out from whatever gets said/picked up in the press or on social media unless someone gets it to him What buggers me though is that by taking quotes chopped and out of context (and this is the case) not only you sometimes paint a picture that's misleading, but also completely miss the vibe and tone of the conversation When you hear grumpy Noel, in this case ignited by Matt who agreed with him and actually brought the topic up, and it's 3 minutes out of 2 hours and a half of funny stories, dirty jokes and random stuff, it all gets lost in there I’ve heard a few old ones prior to the Patreon, so I do know the casual, rambling tone of them. Still, have to say, this isn’t the first time Noel has had some words for climate protestors, so that’s apparently a thing with him (or at least a thing Matt knows will get him riled so he's done it twice ). Agreed that Matt doesn’t get much out of these gossip pieces if he isn’t credited, although that varies by the source (Sun never does, but usually NME and some others do). Noel, on the other hand, gets easy (and regular as clockwork) headlines out of it. In a sense it’s his version of Liam’s twitter. Keeps him in the news and lets him say his piece, such as it is these days. (And to be fair, in the end it probably only inspires young climate protestors to have a rich old establishmentarian like Noel set up as their foe in the press.) Yeah but he's not against climate protestors, he's against those stopping viability by protesting, that was the thing Matt brought up in the first place And the other thing is, you're gonna ramble when talking in such a chilled and conversational situation, doesn't mean you really want to run over people
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Post by AubreyOasis on Oct 26, 2021 6:09:53 GMT -5
The chorus of Riverman is so good. Always forget to include it in my list of top NGHFB songs
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 26, 2021 6:12:12 GMT -5
The chorus of Riverman is so good. Always forget to include it in my list of top NGHFB songs Definitely top 10, always think it's one of his best melodies
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Post by tiger40 on Oct 26, 2021 12:54:09 GMT -5
The chorus of Riverman is so good. Always forget to include it in my list of top NGHFB songs Riverman is a top tune and I've always loved it.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 26, 2021 19:52:34 GMT -5
Yeah but he's not against climate protestors, he's against those stopping viability by protesting, that was the thing Matt brought up in the first place And the other thing is, you're gonna ramble when talking in such a chilled and conversational situation, doesn't mean you really want to run over people Yeah, had no problem understanding his facetiousness and was not expecting him to finally take that Jaguar out of the garage, head off into a Mad Max rage, and start running people over the rails into the Thames And I also get his views on protests. Still disagree with them (civil disobedience is really the only way that peaceful change has ever come from the bottom up and no matter how "middle class" the protestors might or might not be, at least they've gotten off their asses and taken some personal risks instead of sitting around watching Netflix while the planet burns.) Do I look to Noel Gallagher to be a leader on climate (or anything)? I'm not quite that silly. But I can still be annoyed when he says stuff that sounds more like a Tennessee talk radio host than a man who was once, granted a long time ago, said to have a "radical hopefulness." Don't expect everyone to agree on this topic, for sure. Then again, perhaps it's harder be blasé when you live in a state that is now on fire three-quarters of the year.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 26, 2021 20:54:09 GMT -5
Yeah but he's not against climate protestors, he's against those stopping viability by protesting, that was the thing Matt brought up in the first place And the other thing is, you're gonna ramble when talking in such a chilled and conversational situation, doesn't mean you really want to run over people Yeah, had no problem understanding his facetiousness and was not expecting him to finally take that Jaguar out of the garage, head off into a Mad Max rage, and start running people over the rails into the Thames And I also get his views on protests. Still disagree with them (civil disobedience is really the only way that peaceful change has ever come from the bottom up and no matter how "middle class" the protestors might or might not be, at least they've gotten off their asses and taken some personal risks instead of sitting around watching Netflix while the planet burns.) Do I look to Noel Gallagher to be a leader on climate (or anything)? I'm not quite that silly. But I can still be annoyed when he says stuff that sounds more like a Tennessee talk radio host than a man who was once, granted a long time ago, said to have a "radical hopefulness." Don't expect everyone to agree on this topic, for sure. Then again, perhaps it's harder be blasé when you live in a state that is now on fire three-quarters of the year. Your country's not the only one on fire But when someone says in the end the discourse that comes out of this specific protest ends up doing fuck all and the ones you're hurting are people trying to get on with lives I think they may have a point Besides that, I don't know what got reported but I assume it's not the whole thing, but what I got from the convo was more disillusion than conservativeness, as in "these little things won't change much when the US and China and India are still doing what they do" Do I agree with the sentiment? Not necessarily, but I'm 21 and he's 54
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 26, 2021 23:50:52 GMT -5
Your country's not the only one on fire But when someone says in the end the discourse that comes out of this specific protest ends up doing fuck all and the ones you're hurting are people trying to get on with lives I think they may have a point Besides that, I don't know what got reported but I assume it's not the whole thing, but what I got from the convo was more disillusion than conservativeness, as in "these little things won't change much when the US and China and India are still doing what they do" Do I agree with the sentiment? Not necessarily, but I'm 21 and he's 54 For sure not the only country on fire -- but was thinking of where Noel lives which I think is not experiencing heavy climate effects as yet ... some heatwaves I suppose but I'm sure he and his family are nicely erm insulated from that. You make excellent points about whether the protests are effective or not, but I think that is also a reason that Insulate Britain in particular made the decision to go a bit more hard-core and disruptive, for better or for worse, rather than just having another polite Sunday afternoon march. One can certainly disagree with their approach -- mocking them without providing any other hope just felt maddeningly cynical to me. But maybe you are right and it was more disillusionment speaking than cynicism. I agree that it's unfair to decide what he meant without hearing the full clip (and I haven't found it for free yet , so good job Matt.) I'm closer to Noel's age than to yours but I hope all of us middle ageds don't come across as fully disillusioned. It's easy to get wrapped up in this idea that certain governments and institutions are unbeatable, but institutions and governments are only made up of people too. Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts on this as a young person. As an old person, I do sometimes wonder if Noel and Weller ever have political conversations .. and if so how exactly that goes ,... 🤣
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Post by tiger40 on Oct 27, 2021 13:04:04 GMT -5
I have to admit that I too am nearer Noel's age too and I do actually agree with the climate protesters because at least they're doing something about climate change. But Noel's comments are foolish and stupid wishing these people to be run over etc. And, how does he know that they're all middle class? He doesn't.
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Post by dampcottage on Oct 27, 2021 15:10:59 GMT -5
For noel or any of the other would be hit and run drivers who need reminding... it might be you someday
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Post by matt on Oct 30, 2021 17:03:39 GMT -5
Anyone know the source of these comments? Were they from the latest Matt Morgan podcast? I would guess so. Good thing that Noel can't drive. Got to say I laughed. He is pretty much spot on about those protestors. Before anyone makes assumptions, I fully agree with the arguments Insulate Britain make, but I despise their means of protest. As with Extinction Rebellion, don't piss off the everyday worker who is trying to get to work for hard earned cash that might pay a pittance because of their wanker employers. Don't piss off the people you are trying to win round. You'll never ever win an argument or debate that way. It really should be common sense and to piss away a good argument like that is just idiotic beyond belief.
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Post by Rolo on Oct 31, 2021 3:08:04 GMT -5
These road protests are absolutely fucking pathetic. Whether you agree with what they are protesting or not, surely everyone can agree it's genuinely mental.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 3:56:10 GMT -5
I agree there should be better ways to do these protests. Climate activists are blocking roads in my country too (and I would guess all around the world). And the comment sections are always filled with angry men asking for them to be run over, like that's the solution and the problem goes away.
Anyway, my High Flying Birds Thoughts For The Day is that Black & White Sunshine is probably my favorite Noel solo song. Controversial, I know.
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Post by matt on Oct 31, 2021 6:21:29 GMT -5
These road protests are absolutely fucking pathetic. Whether you agree with what they are protesting or not, surely everyone can agree it's genuinely mental. It's genuinely infuriating. There are good arguments to make, and arguments that need to be made, but then they're taken ownership by a bunch of fools so nobody will listen.
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Post by underneaththesky on Oct 31, 2021 7:09:46 GMT -5
ADIAINTGB / Wandering Star \ We're On Our Way Now
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Post by dampcottage on Nov 1, 2021 2:46:11 GMT -5
These road protests are absolutely fucking pathetic. Whether you agree with what they are protesting or not, surely everyone can agree it's genuinely mental. It's genuinely infuriating. There are good arguments to make, and arguments that need to be made, but then they're taken ownership by a bunch of fools so nobody will listen. They where fucked when that ballbag guy walked off TV after saying he didn't have his own house insulated... you can disagree with the methods, even with the reason for the protests, but, and it's a pretty fucking big but, check out the UK governments police,crime,sentencing and courts bill 2021, england is quickly turning into the real life version of V for Vendetta...
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Nov 3, 2021 22:54:49 GMT -5
What “album” name would you give the EPs and the other singles released in 2020-21? I’m putting together an iTunes playlist and want to give the 12 songs a proper cohesive collection name. Suggestions?
(I kinda like Blue Moon Rising…then I ran out of ideas)
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Post by Manualex on Nov 4, 2021 1:29:00 GMT -5
Maybe why Liam is finishing recording and Noel have said that his new album wont be out until 2023?
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Post by girllikeabomb on Nov 4, 2021 2:30:35 GMT -5
Maybe why Liam is finishing recording and Noel have said that his new album wont be out until 2023? Indeed. From Variety today (TL; DR Adele had to record her album 6 months in advance to ensure there would be enough vinyl, albums recorded now can be pressed earliest summer of 2022 unless deals were made in advance, and vinyl sales are higher than ever post-pandemic): NEWS Nov 3, 2021 Adele’s ’30’ Sends Vinyl Pressing Plants Into Overdrive, While LP Shortages Leave Many Artists Chasing PavementsAdele may be immune to many of the mortal concerns that trouble musical non-deities, but there’s one thing she has in common with the most modest indie rocker: She had to finish her forthcoming album, “30,” early if she wanted vinyl available on the same day the release hit streaming services. And these days, almost everybody does. While the company declined official comment, Sony Music sources tell Variety that more than 500,000 vinyl copies of “30” have been manufactured in the months leading up to the album’s Nov. 19 release, with the company pushing catalog titles off its overseas pressing plants to ensure there won’t be any shortage of Adele LPs going into the holidays. To do that — for an album that will probably immediately break initial vinyl sales records — the artist had to turn in ”30” more than six months ago. Any later and Adele would have been subject to the manufacturing shortages and overbooked pressing plants that have essentially turned almost every new LP release into a limited edition. Vinyl sales have been on the rise since 2006 and last year overtook CD sales for the first time since 1986 — but what’s happened in recent months is a boom on top of a boom. Chains like Walmart and Target, which have all but quit the CD business, now order their own exclusive color-variant pressings on top of the exclusives that indie stores or artist websites tout. That demand has formed a perfect storm with the same pandemic conditions that have left many industries’ raw materials marooned on ships. “A lot of people were looking for ways to keep themselves entertained at home during the pandemic” and bought turntables, as well as the product to put on them, says David Macias, head of the indie Thirty Tigers label. “As a configuration, it’s gone from the cool factor to a huge chunk of the business” — especially for a midsize label like his. “In 2019, Thirty Tigers did about 295,000 units of vinyl, and this year we’re on pace to do 800,000. It’s crazy how much it’s blown up in two years.” Indeed, while physical product accounted for just 10% of recorded-music revenue in the first half of 2021, according to the RIAA, vinyl was more than two-thirds of that total, bringing in $467 million — with year-to-year growth of 85.7% that can only partly be attributed to pandemic aberrations. Most artists are given deadlines even earlier than Adele’s — typically eight to nine months ahead — to make sure their vinyl will come out at the same time as digital drops. That might seem like anathema to hip-hop artists, who don’t always care about a vinyl release and like the immediacy of working up to the last minute (or after it, like Kanye West). Pop stars used to be fine with issuing the vinyl as a belated souvenir; Olivia Rodrigo’s “Sour” came out on LP three months after digital, and fans had to wait nearly six for Taylor Swift’s vinyl “Evermore.” But the increasing importance of the format can be seen in the fact that Swift prepared “Red (Taylor’s Version)” early enough that the 4-LP(!) set will arrive right alongside the streaming premiere Nov. 19. Notes Macias, “If you miss your album street date by three or four months, it can reduce your vinyl sales to 30-40% of what they otherwise would have been.” Ed Sheeran was able to fast-track vinyl production of his “=” album somehow, turning it in in July and getting copies to stores by his late October release date. That’s a rush through the plants that would seem unfathomable to artists now who face much longer delays, but it still felt shockingly short to him. “There’s like three vinyl factories in the world,” Sheeran told Australian radio hosts Kyle and Jackie O (fact check: there are dozens just in the U.S. — he may be confusing it with lacquer plants, which is another matter), “so you have to do it like really upfront — and Adele had basically booked out all the vinyl factories, so we had to get a slot and get our album in there. It was like me, Coldplay, Adele, Taylor, ABBA, Elton (John), all of us were trying to get our vinyls printed at the same time.” Says Carrie Colliton, a co-founder of Record Store Day, “It used to be that only stuff like limited-edition RSD titles was allocated” — that is, shipped in dribs and drabs that don’t nearly fulfill retail orders — “but now there are allocations on every title almost every week — every new release and every catalog restock.” It’s easier on mid- to upper-level labels that are able to lock down pressing plants well in advance for certain quantities, then have to make tough calls on what from their roster merits those manufacturing slots. “It’s been like Tetris, trying to prioritize what we’re using each month of capacity for,” says ATO Records head of sales Mike Quinn. Meanwhile, smaller imprints or indie bands are being told that if they deliver their master recordings to a plant now, then sure, they can get their record pressed … in August 2022. Says Colliton, “The idea that Target needs X thousand copies of a gold-colored ‘Rumours’ right now so they have an unending supply, when some band that couldn’t go on tour and hasn’t made money for a year is trying to get a thousand copies of their record pressed on any color — that doesn’t seem fair. But you can’t fault [the chains] for doing it. I can see why a Target or Walmart, if they’re able to go into a label and say, ‘I’m gonna take 20,000 copies’ – of ‘Rumours’ or whatever record – “and you’re not going to have to solicit it or store it, we’ll just take it all,’ that’s a good business thing for everybody involved.” (Fleetwood Mac catalog seems to come up a lot, for some reason. “I heard rumors” — no pun intended — “that there’s one plant in the South that presses pretty much only ‘Tusk,” said one source.) ATO’s Quinn says that these days, it’s almost impossible to accurately forecast demand. With a new My Morning Jacket album that they released two months ago, “We started planning our vinyl needs back in March, figuring out how many we were going to press, how many different colors, what plant we should use — things that a couple of years ago we could have waited till July to figure out. So we’ve more than doubled the lead time we need. And then, midway through the process, a very large big-box store came in with a massive order that almost doubled what we needed.” Meanwhile, he notes, “You could open a plant tomorrow and you’d probably have a call from Universal next week trying to block out the next few months of capacity. They’re trying to go around and block out as much as possible.” Shortages are compounded by the demand for color variants exclusive to big box stores, indie record shops, chains like Urban Outfitters and artists’ web stores. Sean Rutkowski, a VP at New Jersey’s Independent Record Pressing plant, says colored-vinyl pellets are in such limited supply that he’s had to make calls on 43 releases that were due out before Christmas to tell labels they’d have to change their colors or wait till next year. “The more color variations there are, the more chance there is for delays. We’ve had records with seven-plus color variations announced out of the gate. And in the environment we’re in now, it makes it really hard to hit those deadlines across the board for all those records at the same time, unless the labels are really working super far ahead,” Rutlowski says. “About 50% of the records we press now are color,” not standard black, he notes. “With the amount of exclusive variants we press on one record, I wonder if I’m making Beanie Babies sometimes.” Reasons for the supply issues can be almost comically mundane. Says Colliton, “There are things you don’t ever think about happening. Like, there is a shortage of pellets because Dallas was cold, and because lumber is expensive, more people are putting vinyl flooring in their houses. And it’s the same materials, and it’s a hell of a lot easier to sell vinyl pellets to the flooring companies. Those are all things nobody thinks about when they can’t get their record made or can’t pick up the record they preordered because the stores got allocated. Some of the reasons this is happening are just kind of mind-blowing.” (In case you’re wondering specifically which colors are toughest: “There’ve been times where clear has been tough to get,” Rutlowski says, “but now it’s for me, gold, silver, brown and orange have been the challenging colors to deal with.”) Rutlowski runs into a lot of incredulity when he tells people just now wanting to reserve plant space what they’re in for. “For us pretty much, if you’re going to be pressing a record, we’re looking at like the summer of 2022 now in terms of new records coming out and being pressed. There’s a very reluctant acceptance of that, because (artists or labels) go, ‘Oh, well, I can’t wait that long.’ And then I find out that whatever plant they end up going to next, they’re also told they have to wait that long.” He adds, though, that “the reality is that these frustrations are frustrations because people are embracing the format. So I’d much rather be in a situation of having to change 43 records because we couldn’t get the right color compound than have to scramble to keep the presses running. We’ve done about 1400 different orders over the course of the year, and we’re a mid-sized (plant) here in the U.S.” Artists, labels and stores that have to deal with demand outstripping supply concede that that’s a good problem to have. Colliton thinks even non-record stores claiming bigger shares of the market is a positive. “What big boxes do is see what’s cool and sell it to people,” she says. “It really sucks that what’s cool is what we specialize in at record stores, and that’s (the share of limited supply) that they’re taking. But I guess if you look at it as the more people that know about vinyl, the more regular vinyl becomes, and the more vinyl will stick around, then I guess it’s a good thing that you can buy vinyl at Cracker Barrel.” And maybe a good thing that Adele and Swift are going to be the first LPs a lot of people ever buy.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 4, 2021 4:56:26 GMT -5
Maybe why Liam is finishing recording and Noel have said that his new album wont be out until 2023? It'll be nice to listen to Noel's 4th album in 2027
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Nov 4, 2021 21:40:58 GMT -5
Ok then, I need all you hipsters to stop buying vinyl for a bit so I can enjoy a new Noel album before the year 3000.
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Post by darmin on Nov 5, 2021 3:39:26 GMT -5
It’s not just vinyls I think. I read an article some time ago. Basically, after such a long pause every musician, band will be on tour in 2022. It’s hard to book a decent venue. it will be hard to sell tickets if you are not a big star because the live music market will be over saturated. The interviewed live music agents said that they advised their clients to take their time to finish their new records. Maybe it’s wise for Noel to sit this out
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Post by girllikeabomb on Nov 5, 2021 5:02:32 GMT -5
It’s not just vinyls I think. I read an article some time ago. Basically, after such a long pause every musician, band will be on tour in 2022. It’s hard to book a decent venue. it will be hard to sell tickets if you are not a big star because the live music market will be over saturated. The interviewed live music agents said that they advised their clients to take their time to finish their new records. Maybe it’s wise for Noel to sit this out Things may be different in UK/Europe but in the US, ticket sales are currently still low (compared to pre-pandemic levels), partly because we still have indoor mask mandates in many big cities. Maybe (God, I hope) by summer 2022 those will finally peter out. But the real crunch in some places may come in 2023!
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Post by darmin on Nov 5, 2021 8:48:58 GMT -5
It’s not just vinyls I think. I read an article some time ago. Basically, after such a long pause every musician, band will be on tour in 2022. It’s hard to book a decent venue. it will be hard to sell tickets if you are not a big star because the live music market will be over saturated. The interviewed live music agents said that they advised their clients to take their time to finish their new records. Maybe it’s wise for Noel to sit this out Things may be different in UK/Europe but in the US, ticket sales are currently still low (compared to pre-pandemic levels), partly because we still have indoor mask mandates in many big cities. Maybe (God, I hope) by summer 2022 those will finally peter out. But the real crunch in some places may come in 2023! that article was about UK/Europe, and yeah the situation differs from country to country and with COVID and everything who knows when it will end. But no matter how tickets for 2022 are selling now, there was a lot of rescheduled tours. and lot of bands are gonna tour if it will be allowed to make a living. So..
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 5, 2021 12:27:31 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher on TalkSPORT in 5 mins for anyone who’s interested.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Nov 5, 2021 15:40:46 GMT -5
Things may be different in UK/Europe but in the US, ticket sales are currently still low (compared to pre-pandemic levels), partly because we still have indoor mask mandates in many big cities. Maybe (God, I hope) by summer 2022 those will finally peter out. But the real crunch in some places may come in 2023! that article was about UK/Europe, and yeah the situation differs from country to country and with COVID and everything who knows when it will end. But no matter how tickets for 2022 are selling now, there was a lot of rescheduled tours. and lot of bands are gonna tour if it will be allowed to make a living. So.. Oh, for sure, bands (and all the many many workers who support the live music business) are dying to tour. Just noting they are only half the equation so if the aim of an artist were to avoid chaos, due to uneven recoveries, it might be less straight forward than it appears. Anyway, not sure Noel needs any industry reason to wait until 2023. Didn't he say he was taking a few years off well before Covid and the run on vinyl?
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