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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 3, 2021 6:07:15 GMT -5
There's a post on Noel's YT channel asking what songs you'd most like to appear in his set lists. The mock-up reads: Everybody's On The Run Supersonic Chasing Yesterday
Listen Up Riverman Half The World Away Broken Arrow Wonderwall What A Life!
Don't Look Back In Anger
Chasing Yesterday? I'm getting this is just a slip up from management. Unless he refers to While The Song Remains The Same as CY?
Yeah I assume that's what it is |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 3, 2021 6:07:45 GMT -5
Yeah but october 2022, too far It is, but given that he always says "2023" I'd be happy if we get it one year from now |
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Post by joladella on Oct 3, 2021 6:34:07 GMT -5
There's a post on Noel's YT channel asking what songs you'd most like to appear in his set lists. The mock-up reads: Everybody's On The Run Supersonic Chasing Yesterday
Listen Up Riverman Half The World Away Broken Arrow Wonderwall What A Life!
Don't Look Back In Anger
Chasing Yesterday? I'm getting this is just a slip up from management. Unless he refers to While The Song Remains The Same as CY?
Same on Twitter.
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Post by Sadie on Oct 3, 2021 7:48:28 GMT -5
There's a post on Noel's YT channel asking what songs you'd most like to appear in his set lists. The mock-up reads: Everybody's On The Run Supersonic Chasing Yesterday
Listen Up Riverman Half The World Away Broken Arrow Wonderwall What A Life!
Don't Look Back In Anger
Chasing Yesterday? I'm getting this is just a slip up from management. Unless he refers to While The Song Remains The Same as CY?
That's the setlist of the Once In A Lifetime Sessions gig, they've used that a couple of times for things like this so I feel like they just picked a random setlist to use as an example. I doubt it was anything that deep |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 7, 2021 20:59:00 GMT -5
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Oct 8, 2021 1:37:27 GMT -5
It is absolutely INSANE that in 3 years time, Noel would have been solo for as long as he was in Oasis for.
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Post by lg on Oct 8, 2021 12:05:36 GMT -5
Chasing yesterday is ageing so good, his best solo album
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 9, 2021 6:22:39 GMT -5
All we need is love and a place we call home
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 9, 2021 6:49:55 GMT -5
4 years since Holy Mountain came out and I've got to officially state my complete u-turn towards it
What a massive song, love it
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Post by tiger40 on Oct 9, 2021 13:13:35 GMT -5
4 years since Holy Mountain came out and I've got to officially state my complete u-turn towards it What a massive song, love it I was just about to say the same thing as I read it on Stop Crying Your Heart Out. It doesn't seem like four years ago now. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 10, 2021 4:42:39 GMT -5
It's pretty funny how Noel's solo career has been rewritten just because the power relation *HAS* to be balanced the way it was when Beady were going, but opposite now it's Liam that's the dominant part
You read social media and you'd expect Noel to be a failed musician whose struggling to put his music out and not a guy in his 50s whose every solo album release got certificated and every studio album got platinum (you know who has not done this? You'd be in for a surprise) in the span of 10 years and who's selling out venues around the world
It's annoying as a fan when you know there's clearly place for both in the music business, and I really enjoy the turn Noel's solo career has taken, but then you notice for the outside perception there's always gotta be a winner and a loser, even if it means pushing a false narrative into reality
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 10, 2021 5:33:17 GMT -5
But to be honest, Noel was/is one of the biggest icons in last 30 years. At least in England/UK.
And he basically created the way that many people are thinking, the way they look at the life... And he was the one who was always like that, fuck you, fuck you, we are great, and Beatles and Stones and Who and Smiths and Stone Roses and Jam... everybody else is shit.
There was great British music scene in 90s and he even hated some great bands, he wasn't like, yeah, life is great, everything is great, Blur is great, this new band is great, that new band is great, let's celebrate what we have. He was always taking shit about student music, disco music, interesting music...
And now he is the one who is making music like that and we expect that fans, public... people who were growing up listening to him and who were influenced by what he was saying, to be more open minded, not go to "wars".
We all know very well that 27 years old Noel would talk shit about High Flying Birds.
So, why some new generation doesn't have that same right? They will grow up eventually.
I know how much I hated High Flying Birds in my early 20s and I was Beady Eye fan and I was like, fuck Noel, he betrayed everything that he stood for. Chasing Yesterday was my first NGHFB's album, I didn't care at all about his first album when it came out and I was back then really crazy about Oasis.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 10, 2021 5:45:13 GMT -5
But to be honest, Noel was/is one of the biggest icons in last 30 years. At least in England/UK. And he basically created the way that many people are thinking, the way they look at the life... And he was the one who was always like that, fuck you, fuck you, we are great, and Beatles and Stones and Who and Smiths and Stone Roses and Jam... everybody else is shit. There was great British music scene in 90s and he even hated some great bands, he wasn't like, yeah, life is great, everything is great, Blur is great, this new band is great, that new band is great, let's celebrate what we have. He was always taking shit about student music, disco music, interesting music... And now he is the one who is making music like that and we expect that fans, public... people who were growing up listening to him and who were influenced by what he was saying, to be more open minded, not go to "wars". We all know very well that 27 years old Noel would talk shit about High Flying Birds. So, why some new generation doesn't have that same right? They will grow up eventually. I know how much I hated High Flying Birds in my early 20s and I was Beady Eye fan and I was like, fuck Noel, he betrayed everything that he stood for. Chasing Yesterday was my first NGHFB's album, I didn't care at all about his first album when it came out and I was back then really crazy about Oasis. I have no problem with people not liking Who Built The Moon, it's music and in the end it's all down to taste, I know some people are mainly into guitar rock and that's fair enough I have more of a problem in understanding whose who think Noel is doing it to please his wife, his cat, Paul Weller, The Guardian, Bono, radio stations and not simply because after 30 years of making music he wants the challenge and he feels he has the freedom to do something and differently, and more importantly, that sounds like what he listens to But again, if people don't get that there's not much I can do The thing I'm trying to highlight is how a narrative can make a career look like what it isn't Again, you open twitter and you'd think he was going bankrupt cause his last record sold 10 copies, and that's just because people have to turn everything into a battle and if a brother is doing fine (which Liam is quite clearly), then the other can't be doing fine too, even if to a lesser extent in terms of big gigs |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 10, 2021 8:37:08 GMT -5
I think it is just because Liam now has more loyal fanbase. Ordinary family don't go home and play Greedy Soul but they do We're On Our Way Now.
So, I believe that among those youngsters who are writing on social media, Noel is now completely irrelevant and Liam is someone cool.
Last night in bar, some high school kid had Liam's wallpaper on phone and asked me to play Supersonic. He doesn't have Oasis on his wallpaper just Liam.
So, when someone buy Liam's album there is 99% chance that he/she really is his fan.
I've never been to UK but I believe that Noel is now someone more like Rod Stewart, Sting... They probably sell his CDs in Lidl, he can sell much more his music to ordinary middle class people in their 40s, 50s, 60s...
So, he can still sell his music but his fanbase isn't that loyal that he can make gig at Knebworth like Liam.
If 100 people buy Liam's album, probably at least 80 of them will also listen to it more than one time, go to the gig, play it to their friends, buy t-shirt. With Noel, I think that is like 40 or 50 people, others will play it in background while cooking or something.
Noel is really becoming irrelevant with younger generations and they are the one on social media that are writing stuff that you are talking about. For them, he is an old man with shit stories about his celebrity friends and with boring music.
Liam is still cool. Young people love energy, cool look, attitude... All that Liam still has and Noel lost.
And its not like that any of them is making good music as Dylan or Beatles so they can get away with just their music, lyrics...
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 10, 2021 9:01:10 GMT -5
Also, rememeber that Be Here Now sold in first week much more than WTSMG.
What I am saying is that Chasing Yesterday was accepted with fans and critics and people were waiting for new album, that promo video was great, people were with cool with him changing his direction but many were dissapointed with final product. And also with EPs after.
He released his greatest hits but with two really good songs in some, let's call it, Chasing Yesterday style and went to number one again.
After WBTM, it would be interesting to see if people would still buy another album like that, or maybe not in the same style but without great single/singles before an album release. Would he go to number one again, sell as many records...?
Many people didn't like BHN but it was still selling great but we know what happened with SOTSOG.
What I am saying is that people started talking shit about Oasis, losing interest, they were losing fans... because they didn't like BHN but you can't see that if you look at how many albums BHN sold but if you look how many albums SOTSOG sold.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 10, 2021 9:48:51 GMT -5
Also, rememeber that Be Here Now sold in first week much more than WTSMG. What I am saying is that Chasing Yesterday was accepted with fans and critics and people were waiting for new album, that promo video was great, people were with cool with him changing his direction but many were dissapointed with final product. And also with EPs after. He released his greatest hits but with two really good songs in some, let's call it, Chasing Yesterday style and went to number one again. After WBTM, it would be interesting to see if people would still buy another album like that, or maybe not in the same style but without great single/singles before an album release. Would he go to number one again, sell as many records...? Many people didn't like BHN but it was still selling great but we know what happened with SOTSOG. What I am saying is that people started talking shit about Oasis, losing interest, they were losing fans... because they didn't like BHN but you can't see that if you look at how many albums BHN sold but if you look how many albums SOTSOG sold. I'm pretty sure there's still enough of a fanbase to get him to #1, the guy was playing arenas pre-Covid and that was 2 years after WBTM Singles will dictate some of it, and they'll have to play it right with them, but we're not at a point where there's enough people willing to give a new release a chance He's not as small as it looks (metaphorically  ) |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 10, 2021 11:42:04 GMT -5
Also, rememeber that Be Here Now sold in first week much more than WTSMG. What I am saying is that Chasing Yesterday was accepted with fans and critics and people were waiting for new album, that promo video was great, people were with cool with him changing his direction but many were dissapointed with final product. And also with EPs after. He released his greatest hits but with two really good songs in some, let's call it, Chasing Yesterday style and went to number one again. After WBTM, it would be interesting to see if people would still buy another album like that, or maybe not in the same style but without great single/singles before an album release. Would he go to number one again, sell as many records...? Many people didn't like BHN but it was still selling great but we know what happened with SOTSOG. What I am saying is that people started talking shit about Oasis, losing interest, they were losing fans... because they didn't like BHN but you can't see that if you look at how many albums BHN sold but if you look how many albums SOTSOG sold. I'm pretty sure there's still enough of a fanbase to get him to #1, the guy was playing arenas pre-Covid and that was 2 years after WBTM Singles will dictate some of it, and they'll have to play it right with them, but we're not at a point where there's enough people willing to give a new release a chance He's not as small as it looks (metaphorically ) Yea. He just went #1 with a greatest hits album in a moment when greatest hits albums are essentially obsolete. I think that says a lot about the relative strength of his fan base. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 10, 2021 11:50:37 GMT -5
Liam also sold two nights at Knebworth and Noel was making fun of him for years. There must be some of that also. We call it "inat"
‘Inat’ is a word of Turkish origin, an expression that translates as ‘stubbornness’, ‘obstinacy’ or ‘spite’. All these translations correlate with Serbian Inat, but none of them truly come close to conveying the idea.
It has been said that the closest translation of Inat (pronounced EE-nat) is the phrase ‘cutting off your nose to spite your face’, but even that falls short. In simple terms, Inat is doing something in spite of the consequences, the somewhat reckless desire to touch something purely because it comes with a sticker saying ‘Do Not Touch’, the immediate compelling feeling to do something because it is forbidden.
So what is Inat? It is a mother shouting at their child for bad behaviour, but secretly being proud of the kid for whatever it is he or she did. It is taking the wrong road, but ploughing forward regardless. It is having a BBQ on a roof or going out for a run as bombs fall around you, the ultimate middle finger to seemingly unsurmountable odds.
Liam is having his victory now and I guess that many are feeling "inat" when they talk about Noel. Is Noel still great? Yes. But it seems that today we need more someone like Liam and then we have that "inat" inside us and need to say fuck off to Noel and everything that he represents nowadays.
Blur was also doing great in mid 90s but you had that feeling that everyone hates them and that they can't sell 200 tickets and 1000 albums.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 13, 2021 5:51:51 GMT -5
While we wait for album #4, I made a new playlist of the 11 songs that have come out since WBTM
This seemed like the best running order to me:
This Is The Place
Black Star Dancing
Blue Moon Rising
Rattling Rose
Wandering Star
Flying On The Ground
Evil Flower
Come On Outside
A Dream Is All I Need To Get By
We're On Our Way
Sail On
Not too bad
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Post by andymorris on Oct 14, 2021 1:33:57 GMT -5
4 years since Holy Mountain came out and I've got to officially state my complete u-turn towards it What a massive song, love it Never too late, it's a joyful tune  |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 14, 2021 1:38:46 GMT -5
It's pretty funny how Noel's solo career has been rewritten just because the power relation *HAS* to be balanced the way it was when Beady were going, but opposite now it's Liam that's the dominant part You read social media and you'd expect Noel to be a failed musician whose struggling to put his music out and not a guy in his 50s whose every solo album release got certificated and every studio album got platinum (you know who has not done this? You'd be in for a surprise) in the span of 10 years and who's selling out venues around the world It's annoying as a fan when you know there's clearly place for both in the music business, and I really enjoy the turn Noel's solo career has taken, but then you notice for the outside perception there's always gotta be a winner and a loser, even if it means pushing a false narrative into reality I know i'm gonna get absolutely smashed for saying it, but the marketing around Liam since 2017 is the reason for all this. They absolutely turned Noel into a bad guy via all sort of format, the main one being As it was and the Manchester gig "no show". Disgusting really, since they built Liam's career around Noel's tunes. It's pretty sad actually. As you said, there is more than enough room for both, but people need tension, enemies, to position themselves. Especially youngster, in this crazy world where rock n roll stars have disappeared. What's left besides Liam ? Nothing... We had Blur, they have Noel. Go figure... He should be adored. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 14, 2021 1:40:19 GMT -5
4 years since Holy Mountain came out and I've got to officially state my complete u-turn towards it What a massive song, love it Never too late, it's a joyful tune I never hated it, but never really thought much of it besides the fact that it was a fun tune, and I wasn't exactly enthusiastic towards it when it came out No idea what changed, but all of a sudden I just got it It's been the same with Black Star Dancing, used to be my least fave off the EPs, now it's part of the ones that have stuck |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 14, 2021 1:46:35 GMT -5
It's pretty funny how Noel's solo career has been rewritten just because the power relation *HAS* to be balanced the way it was when Beady were going, but opposite now it's Liam that's the dominant part You read social media and you'd expect Noel to be a failed musician whose struggling to put his music out and not a guy in his 50s whose every solo album release got certificated and every studio album got platinum (you know who has not done this? You'd be in for a surprise) in the span of 10 years and who's selling out venues around the world It's annoying as a fan when you know there's clearly place for both in the music business, and I really enjoy the turn Noel's solo career has taken, but then you notice for the outside perception there's always gotta be a winner and a loser, even if it means pushing a false narrative into reality I know i'm gonna get absolutely smashed for saying it, but the marketing around Liam since 2017 is the reason for all this. They absolutely turned Noel into a bad guy via all sort of format, the main one being As it was and the Manchester gig "no show". Disgusting really, since they built Liam's career around Noel's tunes. It's pretty sad actually. As you said, there is more than enough room for both, but people need tension, enemies, to position themselves. Especially youngster, in this crazy world where rock n roll stars have disappeared. What's left besides Liam ? Nothing... We had Blur, they have Noel. Go figure... He should be adored. I don't think Noel helped himself, to be fair Especially during the EPs period he really took a stand to piss off fans even further and antagonise what he thought was a closed-minded fanbase Maybe he had a point, but that attitude is never going to do you any favour Obviously that's not enough to completely re-write reality, but that's how today's world works innit? The easiest it should be to find truthful info, the easiest it actually is to build narratives It's not all bad though, I think NGHFB have stabilised themselves now as whatever the fuck they are |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 14, 2021 1:50:59 GMT -5
I know i'm gonna get absolutely smashed for saying it, but the marketing around Liam since 2017 is the reason for all this. They absolutely turned Noel into a bad guy via all sort of format, the main one being As it was and the Manchester gig "no show". Disgusting really, since they built Liam's career around Noel's tunes. It's pretty sad actually. As you said, there is more than enough room for both, but people need tension, enemies, to position themselves. Especially youngster, in this crazy world where rock n roll stars have disappeared. What's left besides Liam ? Nothing... We had Blur, they have Noel. Go figure... He should be adored. I don't think Noel helped himself, to be fair Especially during the EPs period he really took a stand to piss off fans even further and antagonise what he thought was a closed-minded fanbase Maybe he had a point, but that attitude is never going to do you any favour Obviously that's not enough to completely re-write reality, but that's how today's world works innit? The easiest it should be to find truthful info, the easiest it actually is to build narratives It's not all bad though, I think NGHFB have stabilised themselves now as whatever the fuck they are Yeah Noel didn't help either, clearly. I'm not against a bit of rivalry, but dissing someone then making half or more of your setlist with their songs to fill stadiums after that is a bit of a laughable move. If you diss, make your own career, with your own strength and material. Liam is the guy who doesn't pay rent and tell the landlord to fuck off really. Noel is the grumpy guy yelling at cloud sometimes, although he seems to be over that phase now. Maybe they both realized it got too far. We'll see next year, when the records are out. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 14, 2021 1:56:28 GMT -5
I don't think Noel helped himself, to be fair Especially during the EPs period he really took a stand to piss off fans even further and antagonise what he thought was a closed-minded fanbase Maybe he had a point, but that attitude is never going to do you any favour Obviously that's not enough to completely re-write reality, but that's how today's world works innit? The easiest it should be to find truthful info, the easiest it actually is to build narratives It's not all bad though, I think NGHFB have stabilised themselves now as whatever the fuck they are Yeah Noel didn't help either, clearly. I'm not against a bit of rivalry, but dissing someone then making half or more of your setlist with their songs to fill stadiums after that is a bit of a laughable move. If you diss, make your own career, with your own strength and material. Liam is the guy who doesn't pay rent and tell the landlord to fuck off really. Noel is the grumpy guy yelling at cloud sometimes, although he seems to be over that phase now. Maybe they both realized it got too far. We'll see next year, when the records are out. Yeah it seems to me they're both taking it easier now, besides the occasional digs here and there (but don't think those ever hurt that much, they both can handle a bit of banter) It should be seen how things go once the Oasis promo stops and they both go back to their thing full time, but I am hopeful they're both reached the place they wanna be in music wise without Oasis, while also still giving a push to the Oasis brand |
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