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Post by bastardnumber1 on Oct 27, 2016 7:10:24 GMT -5
Fuck that. Bonehead started that statement, such bull shit IMO That's your opinion mate and you're entitled to it, but by the same token Bonehead and others (me included) are entitled to theirs. Oasis at Knebworth was the peak in terms of commercial/critical success and mass adoration, and even though I do like a lot of the records that came after it is very telling that every tour afterwards for example relied heavily on the first two LP's for a set list. There was no way financially speaking with pressures from their management, publishers and record company, as well as probably the brothers (particularly Noel at that time) own realisation that solo careers wouldn't come close to what they had achieved as a band. Artistically however calling it a day after Knebworth and moving onto other projects may have been the best thing given that they couldn't (understandably) hope to recapture their meteoric rise and peak, and unfortunately a string of bizarre or poor decisions regarding band members, production, recording and touring dropped their stock even further from 1996 onwards. As I said before that isn't to say I haven't enjoyed the records that followed, but like many major bands there is usually a peak where you can say "That was their moment" be it a particular event or more realistically a period of time which in Oasis case for me was April 1994 to August 1996. Maybe I just see this from a non-profit POV but why should they have split back then? They were as big as they were, they were high as fuck and they did what they wanted to do. Sure they had they problems (Liam and Noel) and sure (maybe) looking back, they would have been a bigger band stopping after Knebworth. But would they really? They were huge in England, big in Europe and they did fine in the US at that time. They still have their part in musical history (Supersonic shows that) and that´s something which should be recognised, not what they would have been if they stopped. I mean they still had the fastest selling album after that, they still sold out stadiums and arenas more than a decade after Knebworth. Probably not because of To Be Where There`s Life but also not just because of Live Forever. They are what they are and they can be more than just proud of it. I´m sure 90% of the guys here at least wished once in their life to be like one of the brothers - and the girls still wish to....  At the end they were those drunk, stupid boys who wanted to get out of their shit life and they did succed I think. Show me one band like Oasis (with all their ups and downs) who peaked that high in that short period and ever made it back. If I ever would have been in a band and sell out 3 nights at Wembley Stadium with a number one album and then split I wouldn´t call it a failure. Sorry, I might have missed your point I think  |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 27, 2016 7:29:09 GMT -5
That's your opinion mate and you're entitled to it, but by the same token Bonehead and others (me included) are entitled to theirs. Oasis at Knebworth was the peak in terms of commercial/critical success and mass adoration, and even though I do like a lot of the records that came after it is very telling that every tour afterwards for example relied heavily on the first two LP's for a set list. There was no way financially speaking with pressures from their management, publishers and record company, as well as probably the brothers (particularly Noel at that time) own realisation that solo careers wouldn't come close to what they had achieved as a band. Artistically however calling it a day after Knebworth and moving onto other projects may have been the best thing given that they couldn't (understandably) hope to recapture their meteoric rise and peak, and unfortunately a string of bizarre or poor decisions regarding band members, production, recording and touring dropped their stock even further from 1996 onwards. As I said before that isn't to say I haven't enjoyed the records that followed, but like many major bands there is usually a peak where you can say "That was their moment" be it a particular event or more realistically a period of time which in Oasis case for me was April 1994 to August 1996. It's such a hindsight and 'I know best' comment to make. No one in their right mind would of even thought it never mind said it at the time. I find that statement so far fetched to say it 20 years later, it's all a bit tedious. I will sound like an "I know best" twat here (no change there then ) but I know first hand and it's also documented in Nick Amies book 'Where Did It All Go Wrong?' that certain people in Sony Music certainly thought it was over when they approached Noel Gallagher after the second night about a solo record. Noel despite at the time questioning openly about where Oasis went from there obviously declined the suggestion and things carried on for better or worse until 2009. Tedious it might be but then why bother debating anything if that's the case? Not having a go at all but that's what makes a forum work, varied opinions (and trolls, lunatics, etc.)  |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 27, 2016 7:30:28 GMT -5
That's your opinion mate and you're entitled to it, but by the same token Bonehead and others (me included) are entitled to theirs. Oasis at Knebworth was the peak in terms of commercial/critical success and mass adoration, and even though I do like a lot of the records that came after it is very telling that every tour afterwards for example relied heavily on the first two LP's for a set list. There was no way financially speaking with pressures from their management, publishers and record company, as well as probably the brothers (particularly Noel at that time) own realisation that solo careers wouldn't come close to what they had achieved as a band. Artistically however calling it a day after Knebworth and moving onto other projects may have been the best thing given that they couldn't (understandably) hope to recapture their meteoric rise and peak, and unfortunately a string of bizarre or poor decisions regarding band members, production, recording and touring dropped their stock even further from 1996 onwards. As I said before that isn't to say I haven't enjoyed the records that followed, but like many major bands there is usually a peak where you can say "That was their moment" be it a particular event or more realistically a period of time which in Oasis case for me was April 1994 to August 1996. Maybe I just see this from a non-profit POV but why should they have split back then? They were as big as they were, they were high as fuck and they did what they wanted to do. Sure they had they problems (Liam and Noel) and sure (maybe) looking back, they would have been a bigger band stopping after Knebworth. But would they really? They were huge in England, big in Europe and they did fine in the US at that time. They still have their part in musical history (Supersonic shows that) and that´s something which should be recognised, not what they would have been if they stopped. I mean they still had the fastest selling album after that, they still sold out stadiums and arenas more than a decade after Knebworth. Probably not because of To Be Where There`s Life but also not just because of Live Forever. They are what they are and they can be more than just proud of it. I´m sure 90% of the guys here at least wished once in their life to be like one of the brothers - and the girls still wish to.... At the end they were those drunk, stupid boys who wanted to get out of their shit life and they did succed I think. Show me one band like Oasis (with all their ups and downs) who peaked that high in that short period and ever made it back. If I ever would have been in a band and sell out 3 nights at Wembley Stadium with a number one album and then split I wouldn´t call it a failure. Sorry, I might have missed your point I think Maybe a bit, but I enjoyed your points so its all good  EDIT- Would disagree on the USA though, they sold well (6,000,000 copies of their first three LP's) but if ever a band fucked up an opportunity in the USA it was Oasis.... |
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Post by Jgrp on Oct 27, 2016 7:34:58 GMT -5
It's such a hindsight and 'I know best' comment to make. No one in their right mind would of even thought it never mind said it at the time. I find that statement so far fetched to say it 20 years later, it's all a bit tedious. I will sound like an "I know best" twat here (no change there then ) but I know first hand and it's also documented in Nick Amies book 'Where Did It All Go Wrong?' that certain people in Sony Music certainly thought it was over when they approached Noel Gallagher after the second night about a solo record. Noel despite at the time questioning openly about where Oasis went from there obviously declined the suggestion and things carried on for better or worse until 2009. Tedious it might be but then why bother debating anything if that's the case? Not having a go at all but that's what makes a forum work, varied opinions (and trolls, lunatics, etc.) Yes a forum is exactly that. Which is why I'm entitled to say I think it's tedious. Not sure why you have to bring up the obvious of a forum, we're both posting our opinion. That's how forums work. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 27, 2016 7:37:39 GMT -5
I will sound like an "I know best" twat here (no change there then ) but I know first hand and it's also documented in Nick Amies book 'Where Did It All Go Wrong?' that certain people in Sony Music certainly thought it was over when they approached Noel Gallagher after the second night about a solo record. Noel despite at the time questioning openly about where Oasis went from there obviously declined the suggestion and things carried on for better or worse until 2009. Tedious it might be but then why bother debating anything if that's the case? Not having a go at all but that's what makes a forum work, varied opinions (and trolls, lunatics, etc.) Yes a forum is exactly that. Which is why I'm entitled to say I think it's tedious. Not sure why you have to bring up the obvious of a forum, we're both posting our opinion. That's how forums work. The point was why debate a subject if you think it's tedious but NVM it's only as you say opinions and a debate- I certainly don't want to get into a disagreement on a personal level with another person I haven't and will in a likelihood never meet |
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Post by Jgrp on Oct 27, 2016 8:03:15 GMT -5
Yes a forum is exactly that. Which is why I'm entitled to say I think it's tedious. Not sure why you have to bring up the obvious of a forum, we're both posting our opinion. That's how forums work. The point was why debate a subject if you think it's tedious but NVM it's only as you say opinions and a debate- I certainly don't want to get into a disagreement on a personal level with another person I haven't and will in a likelihood never meet I really don't know why you have to say stuff like that. We're talking about oasis, lighten up. Saying stuff like 'personal level' Haha please, you're taking this way too seriously. I was quite happy just having our points of difference. Do you stoop to this level every time someone doesn't agree with you? |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 27, 2016 8:04:58 GMT -5
The point was why debate a subject if you think it's tedious but NVM it's only as you say opinions and a debate- I certainly don't want to get into a disagreement on a personal level with another person I haven't and will in a likelihood never meet I really don't know why you have to say stuff like that. We're talking about oasis, lighten up. Saying stuff like 'personal level' Haha please, you're taking this way too seriously. I was quite happy just having our points of difference. Do you stoop to this level every time someone doesn't agree with you? Didn't know I was stooping to a level so I'll have to say "No I don't" Have a good one and apologies if I did |
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 27, 2016 11:00:40 GMT -5
Of course it would have been a mistake to split in 1996, no matter this rewriting of history.
No incredible Be Here Now tour - which Noel JUST LAST WEEK said was his favourite tour ever (touring as the world's biggest band).
No Wembley Stadium. No Finsbury Park. No City of Manchester.
No incredible interviews.
No Go Let It Out. Let's All Make Believe. Lyla. Importance Of Being Idle. Falling Down.
They became MORTAL after 1996 but I had some amazing times following them.
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Oct 27, 2016 11:20:53 GMT -5
Just met Liam and had a beer with him  Album should be out before/in summer, recording is not quite done yet but it's in the making, Bonehead 'might be a part of it' but there will be a few more surprises, can't say anything about live right now. I'm gonna write more tomorrow but this could be interesting I thought |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 11:25:14 GMT -5
Just met Liam and had a beer with him Album should be out before/in summer, recording is not quite done yet but it's in the making, Bonehead 'might be a part of it' but there will be a few more surprises, can't say anything about live right now. I'm gonna write more tomorrow but this could be interesting I thought Fucking hell. I'm jealous |
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Oct 27, 2016 11:29:13 GMT -5
Btw check instagram and twitter from markus kavka, he does the whole thing tonight and also had an interview for german tv already with liam and bonehead.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 27, 2016 11:38:05 GMT -5
Supersonic on USA iTunes this Friday!!!
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Post by arthurmorgan on Oct 27, 2016 12:01:20 GMT -5
I think I will stream this via amazon.de tomorrow. My only fear is that they dubbed the damn thing in german  |
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Post by jordan71421 on Oct 27, 2016 12:12:26 GMT -5
Saw it last night in the US and it was an emotional ride for me. There were a lot of people at my showing which was awesome. My girlfriend gained a new understanding of what Oasis stood for and why they were so popular, as well as why I love them so much. My favorite parts were Liam singing Champagne Supernova in one take, and the story of Liam talking to that journalist about his lack of faith in God. Powerful stuff that you wouldn't expect from Liam. Wonderful film.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 12:33:51 GMT -5
Just met Liam and had a beer with him Album should be out before/in summer, recording is not quite done yet but it's in the making, Bonehead 'might be a part of it' but there will be a few more surprises, can't say anything about live right now. I'm gonna write more tomorrow but this could be interesting I thought Lucky bastard |
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Post by MSprague01 on Oct 27, 2016 12:42:24 GMT -5
Supersonic on USA iTunes this Friday!!! How do you know this? I had been looking but couldn't find anything. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 27, 2016 12:48:05 GMT -5
Supersonic on USA iTunes this Friday!!! How do you know this? I had been looking but couldn't find anything. That's the word around the camp fire.  |
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Post by MSprague01 on Oct 27, 2016 12:50:15 GMT -5
Is there any info about a U.S. blu-ray release date yet?
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 27, 2016 12:58:54 GMT -5
Just met Liam and had a beer with him Album should be out before/in summer, recording is not quite done yet but it's in the making, Bonehead 'might be a part of it' but there will be a few more surprises, can't say anything about live right now. I'm gonna write more tomorrow but this could be interesting I thought Wait... what?! |
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Post by lylarocks on Oct 27, 2016 13:06:55 GMT -5
Saw it last night in the US and it was an emotional ride for me. There were a lot of people at my showing which was awesome. My girlfriend gained a new understanding of what Oasis stood for and why they were so popular, as well as why I love them so much. My favorite parts were Liam singing Champagne Supernova in one take, and the story of Liam talking to that journalist about his lack of faith in God. Powerful stuff that you wouldn't expect from Liam. Wonderful film. Saw it last night with my boyfriend and he finally understood why Oasis are my life! I was singing and getting all emotional during the film. Luckily, everyone who was there was a fan (or came with one) so nobody thought I was crazy! Favorite parts of the film: Liam singing Sad Song Liam recording Champagne Supernova The footage of their show in Glasgow where Alan McGee signed them on the spot. Didn't even know that footage existed! How fast it took Noel to write Supersonic. What a great documentary! |
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Post by mexico2418 on Oct 27, 2016 13:38:39 GMT -5
Supersonic on USA iTunes this Friday!!! It still don't appear on the store |
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Post by underneaththesky on Oct 27, 2016 15:38:13 GMT -5
TONIGHT
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Oct 27, 2016 16:05:20 GMT -5
London Canada tonight. Cannot wait
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 27, 2016 16:19:27 GMT -5
Supersonic on USA iTunes this Friday!!! It still don't appear on the store There has been an awakening..............have you felt it? |
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Post by mexico2418 on Oct 27, 2016 16:29:42 GMT -5
It still don't appear on the store There has been an awakening..............have you felt it? The only movies that appear aren't the Supersonic film. They are 2 but nothing else |
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