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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 6, 2016 21:22:23 GMT -5
I wish US NETFLIX would carry this release. I have no idea how I'm going to be able to watch this. You go to one of the countless art house theaters in DC? No longer in DC
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Post by rajonrondo9 on Sept 7, 2016 1:01:31 GMT -5
During yesterday, Tuesday the 6th Oasis was the number one trending topic on Facebook having 78,000 people talking about them. So while there hasn't been a ton of proper promotion up to this point with regards to this film. I guess word of mouth is having some positive results.
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Post by themanwithnoname81 on Sept 7, 2016 1:02:07 GMT -5
Hey how do you know where all the rare footage is from? It's a matter of connecting information. I collect magazine clippings, pictures, video footage and recordings - and have been for years. I have also helped the documentary team verify where and when many of the stills and footage in the film is from. I have a database where I try to link images and recordings to each specific event. That does not mean I have actually seen all the footage myself, but it's possible to cross reference and place it accurately on the timline with the help of images and information. A lot of information on these recordings (filmed by Tim Abbott) is also published in his book 'Definitely' [1996]. I have also been fortunate to see some of it through a contact in Manchester who toured with the band for a while, but again only clips. This documentary will be awsome, that's all I know for certain. Thanks for the reply. Very interesting.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 7, 2016 1:04:59 GMT -5
During yesterday, Tuesday the 6th Oasis was the number one trending topic on Facebook having 78,000 people talking about them. So while there hasn't been a ton of proper promotion up to this point with regards to this film. I guess word of mouth is having some positive results. It's just as well as the 'professional' promotion would have me for my business switching agencies and demanding reduction or voiding of invoices!
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 7, 2016 4:32:25 GMT -5
Never quite thought I'd find the trailer emotional even, but when that quote from Peggy came it went from celebrational to emotional in a heartbeat. When you think of where they came from, and what they went on to achieve it's really extraordinary, and I can't wait to see that story played out on the big screen. I'm also glad it's not a talking head documentary, but narrated by the key people with relevant visuals and footage. It worked really well in the Amy documentary, and as long as it has subtitles I'm sure this will as well I recognized most of the footage in the trailer, and it's great to see they've gone through such strengths to compile it all, and I know we're in for even more surprises in the full length film. Outside the obvious ones seen in the trailer are The Point; Dublin 1996, The Odeon; Cleveland 1995 (where a good spirited food fight erupt as the band walks off one-by-one during IATW), Nagoya 1994, backstage TOTP 1995 before first SMS performance (Tony's last public performance, which leads me to suspect he's the person Noel is referring to at the end of the trailer), in the van going to Sheffield 1995, Waterrats 1994 (soundcheck & gig) to name a few. Now it's just left to see when the admin over at the official Oasis outlets can find his old Youtube or Facebook password so that this can be spread officially as well. What a missed opportunity. Fans are left doing the promotion themselves. I can't help but feel a bit sorry for Matt and the documentary team that have actually gone on to make what looks like a smashing film, only to be met by such absolute amateurs when it comes to promoting this film or communicating officially to the fans. Hey how do you know where all the rare footage is from? Oi! Get your own username!
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 7, 2016 7:11:38 GMT -5
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 7, 2016 7:22:53 GMT -5
I wonder if Ride have a cameo in it, given that if my memory serves me correctly they supported Oasis with The La's in Brighton on 29th December 1994, which was also the show where Paula Yates began throwing herself at Liam and setting of a chain of events that led to the infamous Brit Awards with Michael Hutchence. Ride also were around McGee in L.A. as he was trying to sign Oasis to a contract after seeing them live (Legal issues with a prior Creation Records label deal with EMI owned SBK Records meant they ended up signed to Sony directly) although if it is all archive footage that probably won't feature.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 7, 2016 7:29:13 GMT -5
I wonder if Ride have a cameo in it, given that if my memory serves me correctly they supported Oasis with The La's in Brighton on 29th December 1994, which was also the show where Paula Yates began throwing herself at Liam and setting of a chain of events that led to the infamous Brit Awards with Michael Hutchence.Ride also were around McGee in L.A. as he was trying to sign Oasis to a contract after seeing them live (Legal issues with a prior Creation Records label deal with EMI owned SBK Records meant they ended up signed to Sony directly) although if it is all archive footage that probably won't feature. Interesting. Tell me more...
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Post by Manualex on Sept 7, 2016 7:48:49 GMT -5
I wonder if Ride have a cameo in it, given that if my memory serves me correctly they supported Oasis with The La's in Brighton on 29th December 1994, which was also the show where Paula Yates began throwing herself at Liam and setting of a chain of events that led to the infamous Brit Awards with Michael Hutchence. Ride also were around McGee in L.A. as he was trying to sign Oasis to a contract after seeing them live (Legal issues with a prior Creation Records label deal with EMI owned SBK Records meant they ended up signed to Sony directly) although if it is all archive footage that probably won't feature. By 1994 Ride had lost it's mojo. Who in his right mind thinks that Birdman is a worthy lead single? Cool riff but it's stale until the outro.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 7, 2016 8:21:46 GMT -5
I wonder if Ride have a cameo in it, given that if my memory serves me correctly they supported Oasis with The La's in Brighton on 29th December 1994, which was also the show where Paula Yates began throwing herself at Liam and setting of a chain of events that led to the infamous Brit Awards with Michael Hutchence.Ride also were around McGee in L.A. as he was trying to sign Oasis to a contract after seeing them live (Legal issues with a prior Creation Records label deal with EMI owned SBK Records meant they ended up signed to Sony directly) although if it is all archive footage that probably won't feature. Interesting. Tell me more... Paula Yates accompanied a friend to see the band at Brighton Centre on 29th December 1994, where Ride replaced Verve as last minute supports which turned out to be their last UK gig until the reunion. Also on the bill were The La's, who played an erratic set by all accounts. Paula had made no secret of her desire for Liam, and according to Paul Mathur she relentlessly pursued Liam backstage afterwards, which is corroborated by Dave Newton (Ride manager) who recalls it answering a Ride forum query re: how the support slot came about here- Ticket to Ride forum . Interestingly on a side note Dave Newton rated Oasis but didn't think they had enough songs at that point to sustain a ninety minute set. Ms Yates clearly didn't get the message as on The Big Breakfast she stuck up a picture of Liam above the bed where the show used to do interviews, a proper nineties television affair! All this was despite her being with Michael Hutchence during this period. Pasty Kensit meanwhile attended the MTV Europe Awards as a guest presenter with Michael in November 1994, which was the night she and Liam met properly. According to her biography Liam told her "She was too beautiful to be married" before going off with another woman before she could reply! She also claims the infamous photo of her with her hand down Michael's trousers was doctored and in fact her hand was on his arm. They both involved lawyers due to their respective then current domestic situations but as Patsy said the damage was done and people generally believed the image to be genuine. A situation backstage between Liam and Michael at this point was recounted by Paul Mathur in Take Me There: The Oasis Story as Liam attempting to brain Hutchence with a fire extinguisher after the latter tried taking the piss out of him (p221) An aside from that night was a very rock n' roll Brian Cannon launched a chair out of his hotel window causing £1,000 worth of damage, a remarkable gesture made even more so by the fact he was alone at the time! He later blamed it on the champagne. The Liam/fire extinguisher was later covered as well in an interview with The Daily Telegraph in 1997 where he blamed it on "All the weetabix I ate when I was a kid"- Oasis Interview BlogspotThe spat continued with the Brit Awards presentation by Michael Hutchence to Oasis in 1996, with Noel Gallagher memorably announcing "Has been's shouldn't present awards to gonna-be's" and Liam informing Hutchence that the latter's career was well and truly over.- Rolling Stone 1996
(Typically Noel's part has been cut for some reason)
Michael Hutchence later turned up backstage at The Point on March 22nd 1996 with he and Liam exchanging insults and words, although not punches as the tabloids reported. The second night saw Guigs attend U2's club (IIRC The Kitchen) where Hutchence was also in attendance, with Guigs reportedly furious and looking for a reason to chin him for what he had said to Liam. Liam and Michael never reconciled in any way despite Patsy having been friends with the latter, and sadly Michael died on 22nd November 1997. His partner Paula Yates followed via a heroin overdose on 17th September 2000, whilst that year Liam and Patsy split up. It is probably for these reasons that the band generally gloss over this part of the era in retrospective as none of the participants had a particularly happy outcome from it all. As an epilogue Patsy Kensit granted Red Magazine an interview in late 2000 that portrayed an unhappy marriage for both parties, and is reprinted by The Telegraph- I cried every day I was married to Liam
I think I have covered most of it there lad, let me know if any of it needs correcting, expanding on, etc.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 7, 2016 8:24:43 GMT -5
I wonder if Ride have a cameo in it, given that if my memory serves me correctly they supported Oasis with The La's in Brighton on 29th December 1994, which was also the show where Paula Yates began throwing herself at Liam and setting of a chain of events that led to the infamous Brit Awards with Michael Hutchence. Ride also were around McGee in L.A. as he was trying to sign Oasis to a contract after seeing them live (Legal issues with a prior Creation Records label deal with EMI owned SBK Records meant they ended up signed to Sony directly) although if it is all archive footage that probably won't feature. By 1994 Ride had lost it's mojo. Who in his right mind thinks that Birdman is a worthy lead single? Cool riff but it's stale until the outro. That would be Alan McGee just before his well publicised breakdown according to 'My Magpies Eyes Are Hungry For The Prize (David Cavanagh). His thinking according to Bell & Gardener was it was an epic that would confuse people, and in doing so provided a great advert for not making drug fuelled marketing decisions
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Post by spaneli on Sept 7, 2016 8:42:08 GMT -5
I think some people are really overestimating how much promotion goes into a documentary. Documentaries are not big money makers. Searching for Sugarman was barely promoted. If it hadn't done well at Sundance, no one would have heard of it. And that's an Oscar nominated documentary.
It takes a lot of money to put a documentary into the theater, and most documentaries, if they are lucky, will only break even. Many large documentaries will lose money in the end. Yes, even an Oasis documentary. Unlike Amy, there isn't an obvious world wide audience.
I would suspect that the producers don't care about promoting a theatrical release because they know they won't make much money off it. They may lose money. I suspect they may push more toward the stream, where they can sell the rights to stream and advertise, which gets them to profitable. Spike Island made about 148k. That's in line with a typical documentary gross.
This will get a limited release, maybe show up at some festivals, and be streamable, but nothing more. Which is more in line with a standard doc release.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 7, 2016 9:31:34 GMT -5
This is history, right here right now, this is history.......I'm going to the theatre for the weekend to see OASIS.
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Sept 7, 2016 9:54:09 GMT -5
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Post by sufuking perbley on Sept 7, 2016 10:12:48 GMT -5
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Post by sufuking perbley on Sept 7, 2016 10:33:21 GMT -5
TFW you get told off by Creation Records (see tweet on twitter for the rest!).
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 7, 2016 10:35:51 GMT -5
Not releasing the full Knebworth gig onto blu-ray, as an extra feature to SUPERSONIC, would be a big mistake, I think.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 7, 2016 10:43:32 GMT -5
Not releasing the full Knebworth gig onto blu-ray, as an extra feature to SUPERSONIC, would be a big mistake, I think. Doing it would be. For you and fans it would be a mistake, but from a business perspective it would be idiotic. Including Knebworth doesn't ensure them of that many extra sales. They're better off releasing it separately. In short, the documentary will make what it will make no matter if Knebworth is included.It's a fan's wish to get a two for one.
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Post by RocketMan on Sept 7, 2016 10:44:25 GMT -5
I think some people are really overestimating how much promotion goes into a documentary. Documentaries are not big money makers. Searching for Sugarman was barely promoted. If it hadn't done well at Sundance, no one would have heard of it. And that's an Oscar nominated documentary. It takes a lot of money to put a documentary into the theater, and most documentaries, if they are lucky, will only break even. Many large documentaries will lose money in the end. Yes, even an Oasis documentary. Unlike Amy, there isn't an obvious world wide audience. I would suspect that the producers don't care about promoting a theatrical release because they know they won't make much money off it. They may lose money. I suspect they may push more toward the stream, where they can sell the rights to stream and advertise, which gets them to profitable. Spike Island made about 148k. That's in line with a typical documentary gross. This will get a limited release, maybe show up at some festivals, and be streamable, but nothing more. Which is more in line with a standard doc release. That goes for the producers of the documentary, but that doesn't explain the lazy work the oasis management has done since oasis broke up. They treat the Oasis Brand like it was worth nothing, i see a lot smaller bands do much more for their fans than oasis. We've got two remastered albums of which one has been done for the second time and one best of album with a live cd that is worse than a lot of bootlegs i have. Now Oasis finally gets a documentary about their infamous story which i would say could grab peoples attention that arent into the band just because its a great story, and they pretend like its not there. Its not that hard to release a trailer a couple of weeks/months earlier or to put up some new footage on their website, teasers etc.
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Post by RocketMan on Sept 7, 2016 10:48:39 GMT -5
Not releasing the full Knebworth gig onto blu-ray, as an extra feature to SUPERSONIC, would be a big mistake, I think. Its been a long time since we've heard about it, i fear that we wont even get it
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 7, 2016 11:07:15 GMT -5
Not releasing the full Knebworth gig onto blu-ray, as an extra feature to SUPERSONIC, would be a big mistake, I think. Doing it would be. For you and fans it would be a mistake, but from a business perspective it would be idiotic. Including Knebworth doesn't ensure them of that many extra sales. They're better off releasing it separately. In short, the documentary will make what it will make no matter if Knebworth is included.It's a fan's wish to get a two for one. Re-releasing an album that supposedly was never any good in the first place, THAT takes care of business interests. Now leave this film alone, and let it be the celebration of the band and of the time and place that gave birth to them, that it looks to (and really should) be. A great way to do that would be to package the gig in with the film somehow. We already know Knebworth is the centre piece of the film - apparently the thing opens with the shot of the Gallagher's flying over the crowd in a helicopter, and we all think it's going to end with footage of one the songs from the first night - so I would say it'd be idiotic NOT to give the casual fans or complete novices to Oasis, who end up picking up the blu-ray a few months later, because it's on offer at Tesco or something, some way of accessing this most tantalising of Oasis legends, once the film has already stoked their interest in it. Because then (if you want to be cynical about it), they might, once they've seen how good they were, be inspired to seek out their records and hey! the wheel keeps on turning, and management make their quick buck after all!... But you can be sure, if you hold the Knebworth release back and release it as a standalone, no bugger who isn't already an Oasis fan is gonna bother with it.
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Sept 7, 2016 11:12:55 GMT -5
I think some people are really overestimating how much promotion goes into a documentary. Documentaries are not big money makers. Searching for Sugarman was barely promoted. If it hadn't done well at Sundance, no one would have heard of it. And that's an Oscar nominated documentary. It takes a lot of money to put a documentary into the theater, and most documentaries, if they are lucky, will only break even. Many large documentaries will lose money in the end. Yes, even an Oasis documentary. Unlike Amy, there isn't an obvious world wide audience. I would suspect that the producers don't care about promoting a theatrical release because they know they won't make much money off it. They may lose money. I suspect they may push more toward the stream, where they can sell the rights to stream and advertise, which gets them to profitable. Spike Island made about 148k. That's in line with a typical documentary gross. This will get a limited release, maybe show up at some festivals, and be streamable, but nothing more. Which is more in line with a standard doc release. No it won´t be an Oscar nominated movie I guess. But it´s not as people demand huge posters all over europe and tv ads. But an internet trailer a month ago with a second one this week would have been okay I think. Also a few dates less than a month before its theatratical release are not too much to ask for. Or at least having the movie rated in more than 2 countries (England and Netherlands) so far...
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