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Post by matt on Sept 25, 2017 17:10:30 GMT -5
I'm trying my best to hear these clips at a minimum. But I do like Fort Knox. There are little things going on in the mix that I notice with each listen. I like the guitar tone for Beautiful World, and I'm really interested in the french portions. I do believe the first song is Fort Knox, and the second is Beautiful World, but I'm not sure the final portion is one song. I think it might be a snippet of three songs. The French portion being one, She Taught me How to Fly being the other, and the ending female vocal being another. I think there MIGHT be 5 songs in there. Gun to the head, I rank the clips as follows: #1: Clip 3 #2: Clip 1 #3: Clip 2 Interestingly, it differs quite significantly for me. Absolutely love the sound of all three, but I'd rank it: 1. Beautiful World (Clip 2) 2. She Taught Me How To Fly (Clip 3) 3. Fort Knox (Clip 1)
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Post by catsnake on Sept 25, 2017 17:17:47 GMT -5
I think it's gonna be alright. So far, the conversation has been quite civil and we already got the "you can't be a true Oasis fan if you like this" comment out of the way. Besides, with Liam's and Noel's albums coming out at around the same time, we have all bases covered. It doesn't matter if you're wishing for something traditional or something different, cos we're getting both. The "you can't be a true Oasis fan" stuff is bullshit. People can be a fan of whatever they want, for whatever reason they want. That "true fan" bullshit is an implicit problem on this site with a bunch of megafans trying to be or validate/rationalize to themselves that they are a truer a fan than others. It is subjective and irrelevant. Very good point....not everyone will like it but loads will...and that's cool, it would be fairly boaring if we all had the same opinion on these things. I love hearing other people's opinions on this forum as it can make you think about things you might have missed or gain a different perspective. It seems like Noel has made a very grown up record this time around....sorry if this has already been answered or discussed but is there a chance that this is a concept album? I think that would be fairly mind blowing 👌🏻
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Post by spaneli on Sept 25, 2017 17:20:38 GMT -5
Agree. Not everything has to be a joyous drunken sing along fest. We have plenty of Oasis and earlier HFB songs for that. Agree with this but what is a Noel Gallagher audience now and what type of fan is buying his album? I hate being labelled with that bracket of kasabian,stone roses,libertines etc if you tell someone you are an Oasis fan but that stereotype exists for a reason and that kind of "fan" is so prominent at Noel arena gigs and im sure at the upcoming Liam ones too. We all say on here about what we would love to happen as fans and in an ideal world they are usually better, more imaginative ideas than the artists ever come up with (bit like fan theory for upcoming films and then the actual story is generic shit cough cough Jar Jar Abrams) but we live in a world where Liam Gallagher would rather have an american hes never met write him a song than sit down with his 3 mates in a studio and do it because it equals arenas and we all accept it as success. If Noel creates something innovative and exciting that goes alongside those bands we all listen to outside of that stereotypical bracket then great, but if that album bombs commercially there is no way he will be back with anything other than If I Had A Gun part 2 and Dave Sardy. I don't think this will commercially bomb. Not being facetious, even Beady Eye at their worst could still muster a #2 charting. Both Noel and Liam have a baseline that they'll always be able to count on. Plus, this can't be overstated, but Noel is giving himself added cover by releasing this in late November. He can fall back on Christmas sales (which massively helped out NGHFBs), so I do think his album sales will be surprisingly stable no matter the type of music. At least, this go around. If he was releasing this during March, then the chances of his album sales going down would go up astronomically.
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Post by oasis6 on Sept 25, 2017 17:28:08 GMT -5
I think Noel got some inspiration from this
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Post by neila83 on Sept 25, 2017 17:44:19 GMT -5
Great interview! That's what I've been looking for. Fascinating, I love what Noel says about how Holmes would stop him when he did something he'd heard 1000 times before, and showed him he could do things he didn't even know he was capable of. Give me a guitar solo you can dance to! Just when you think you can't get more excited. David Holmes is my new hero. This experience might be a genuine game changer for where Noel goes now.
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 25, 2017 17:47:46 GMT -5
Trailer sounds 10 times better now at 12:45 a.m.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 25, 2017 17:47:47 GMT -5
This is super interesting. His recounting of Holmes pushing him, and pointing out that it sounded too much like Oasis is really refreshing. Also, the fact that Noel was thinking of bailing. Big props to Holmes pushing Noel, and Noel sticking it out. But as others have said, I think this is really the album Noel has always wanted to make. In this interview he sounds like a guy who has a lot of pressure off of him. Because in the end, Noel isn't an idiot. I believe he's very aware of what's said about it. Even with hits like Live Forever, Champagne Supernova, Wonderwall, DLBIA etc., he knows that he's seen as the guy who had shown so much potential, showed a lot of it, but never showed all of it. Or as some songwriters have said, that he's not a real songwriter. Like the Godfather, he wants to be seen as legitimate. The fact that he's gone into this with the acceptance that it might not sell as well, that it might lose him fans, that some may not like it, is a testament to his belief in the music. That is the most existing portion of all this. The unbending quiet confidence that Noel has with this. It doesn't come off as the false bravado he had with Oasis. Roll on November!
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Post by cloudburster on Sept 25, 2017 17:48:05 GMT -5
It's not as "in your face" as Don't Look Back In Anger or Wonderwall is, but it does sound rather catchy and memorable enough. Certainly agree, but anyone wishing for that has to get this notion out of their heads that he could ever replicate them. He cannot and will never replicate them. These songs only come around once in a generation. So why do pale imitations of them? Try something new and different instead. Provide us with a new experience. And thank god, it looks as if he has. Agreed. When he tried to recapture those 90s classics we got dirge like Heathen Chemistry
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Post by matt on Sept 25, 2017 17:51:52 GMT -5
Certainly agree, but anyone wishing for that has to get this notion out of their heads that he could ever replicate them. He cannot and will never replicate them. These songs only come around once in a generation. So why do pale imitations of them? Try something new and different instead. Provide us with a new experience. And thank god, it looks as if he has. Agreed. When he tried to recapture those 90s classics we got dirge like Heathen Chemistry And what was even worse than that was Gem and Andy trying to write songs and recapture that magic. It was sacrilege seeing 'outsiders' like that trying to do it and offering nothing but putrid shite, and their malign presence only shat on the name of a once great band.
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Post by mossy on Sept 25, 2017 17:59:01 GMT -5
Listened to the clip though an iPhone speaker held to my ear while on a boat in the middle of a lake. Can't comment on the mix, but for sheer vibes I can really recommend this listening experience.
Oh yeah and the tunes are sounding pretty awesome too.
Ciao x
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Post by neila83 on Sept 25, 2017 18:05:02 GMT -5
This is super interesting. His recounting of Holmes pushing him, and pointing out that it sounded too much like Oasis is really refreshing. Also, the fact that Noel was thinking of bailing. Big props to Holmes pushing Noel, and Noel sticking it out. But as others have said, I think this is really the album Noel has always wanted to make. In this interview he sounds like a guy who has a lot of pressure off of him. Because in the end, Noel isn't an idiot. I believe he's very aware of what's said about it. Even with hits like Live Forever, Champagne Supernova, Wonderwall, DLBIA etc., he knows that he's seen as the guy who had shown so much potential, showed a lot of it, but never showed all of it. Or as some songwriters have said, that he's not a real songwriter. Like the Godfather, he wants to be seen as legitimate. The fact that he's gone into this with the acceptance that it might not sell as well, that it might lose him fans, that some may not like it, is a testament to his belief in the music. That is the most existing portion of all this. The unbending quiet confidence that Noel has with this. It doesn't come off as the false bravado he had with Oasis. Roll on November! Agree with every word. And the way Holmes managed to dig out of Noel what he wanted; I think Noel had this idea of what he wanted but absolutely no idea how to get there. You're right, Noel does sound the most relaxed and confident I think I've heard him before an album, and it sounds genuine when he says how much he loved the whole process. Your point about proving his legitimacy to others rings true, but more than that, I think this process may have shaken off a lot of Noel's own self-doubt, and given him the confidence that he is more than just the guy who wrote the first two Oasis albums (however great that is, I'm sure he wants the rest of his career to stand up too) It's revealing he says he did things he didn't know he was capable of. And that will only encourage him to be more bold in future and realise his full potential. I think that's been a albatross round his neck, and he wants to make people eat their words about being a one trick pony.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 25, 2017 18:08:35 GMT -5
This is super interesting. His recounting of Holmes pushing him, and pointing out that it sounded too much like Oasis is really refreshing. Also, the fact that Noel was thinking of bailing. Big props to Holmes pushing Noel, and Noel sticking it out. But as others have said, I think this is really the album Noel has always wanted to make. In this interview he sounds like a guy who has a lot of pressure off of him. Because in the end, Noel isn't an idiot. I believe he's very aware of what's said about it. Even with hits like Live Forever, Champagne Supernova, Wonderwall, DLBIA etc., he knows that he's seen as the guy who had shown so much potential, showed a lot of it, but never showed all of it. Or as some songwriters have said, that he's not a real songwriter. Like the Godfather, he wants to be seen as legitimate. The fact that he's gone into this with the acceptance that it might not sell as well, that it might lose him fans, that some may not like it, is a testament to his belief in the music. That is the most existing portion of all this. The unbending quiet confidence that Noel has with this. It doesn't come off as the false bravado he had with Oasis. Roll on November! Agree with all of this. He deserves alot of credit for going for it with this. But there needs to be substance here, and when Noel has ventured out into other territory before we have ended up with Tomorrow Never Knows drums being used every time. I think any of the songwriters who have criticised him in the past and used terms like not a real songwriter etc are just jealous. It's easy to jump on the bandwagon and hit Noel for his faults but you're talking about, in most cases, bands that have 1 real hit and use any exposure they can to play that hit. Noel can whip out any of 20+ songs and the crowd will sing every single lyric back, any of those songwriters would fucking love that, no matter how much "direction" their supposed careers have taken. I actually think it is fucking incredible that Noel was able to keep consistency in ALL oasis singles up until the end, there isn't a bad one IMO maybe Sunday Morning Call
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 25, 2017 18:09:48 GMT -5
Agreed. When he tried to recapture those 90s classics we got dirge like Heathen Chemistry And what was even worse than that was Gem and Andy trying to write songs and recapture that magic. It was sacrilege seeing 'outsiders' like that trying to do it and offering nothing but putrid shite, and their malign presence only shat on the name of a once great band. Blaming Andy and Gem for Noel's lack of inspiration is a little disingenuous.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 25, 2017 18:12:54 GMT -5
And what was even worse than that was Gem and Andy trying to write songs and recapture that magic. It was sacrilege seeing 'outsiders' like that trying to do it and offering nothing but putrid shite, and their malign presence only shat on the name of a once great band. Blaming Andy and Gem for Noel's lack of inspiration is a little disingenuous. Gem did recommend that Noel change the lyrics of the Hindu Times from being dark to happy. But I do tend to agree.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 25, 2017 18:16:05 GMT -5
Agreed. When he tried to recapture those 90s classics we got dirge like Heathen Chemistry And what was even worse than that was Gem and Andy trying to write songs and recapture that magic. It was sacrilege seeing 'outsiders' like that trying to do it and offering nothing but putrid shite, and their malign presence only shat on the name of a once great band. I don't think Heathen Chemistry needs this total bashing it gets every single time its mentioned. Yeah, it has a lot of faults, and i mean alot. But terms like putrid shite? Stop Crying Your Heart Out is absolute genius to me, maybe even my favourite Oasis song. Songbird is right up there for me too. Then the other 2 singles sit alongside anything they've released for me. The poster before said HC was Noel trying to recapture the 90s Oasis in terms of anthems but tbh we ended up with 4 brilliant singles and the rest very average filler. Nothing of the levels of awfulness it is always derided with on here every single time. I'd argue the worse thing was, after that we stopped getting Noel attempt to write SCYHO type songs and got songs like Get Off Your High Horse Lady. The other two albums were more consistent but only IOBI was a truly great single, Lyla at a push.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 25, 2017 18:16:56 GMT -5
Blaming Andy and Gem for Noel's lack of inspiration is a little disingenuous. Gem did recommend that Noel change the lyrics of the Hindu Times from being dark to happy. But I do tend to agree. I strongly disagree with anyone who says the Hindu Times demo lyrics are better than the final ones. The final ones work in every way you need for a single.
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Post by neila83 on Sept 25, 2017 18:29:58 GMT -5
Gem did recommend that Noel change the lyrics of the Hindu Times from being dark to happy. But I do tend to agree. I strongly disagree with anyone who says the Hindu Times demo lyrics are better than the final ones. The final ones work in every way you need for a single. The original lyrics were real. The released ones are completely fake. Depends what you're into I guess.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 25, 2017 18:33:20 GMT -5
Blaming Andy and Gem for Noel's lack of inspiration is a little disingenuous. Gem did recommend that Noel change the lyrics of the Hindu Times from being dark to happy. But I do tend to agree. Haha well that was definitely bad advice! I'm not knocking Noel, he did well to continue writing 2 or 3 great songs for Oasis albums but maybe that gave rise to the belief that had the others not had a few spots on each album Noel would have just filled them with more great songs. In my opinion he was just less prolific. There are a lot of songwriters of perhaps higher worldwide regard who have gone through much deeper troughs, Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Young to name but a few. I'm sure Andy and Gem did the best they could but when your star player doesn't have as much in the tank as they once did its always going to be hard for those following in there wake.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 25, 2017 18:34:34 GMT -5
Gem did recommend that Noel change the lyrics of the Hindu Times from being dark to happy. But I do tend to agree. I strongly disagree with anyone who says the Hindu Times demo lyrics are better than the final ones. The final ones work in every way you need for a single. I like a mix of both lyrics. I love the overall feel and atmosphere of the demo. Good vibes to me. Either way it was a big hit single. Mission accomplished I suppose.
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Post by matt on Sept 25, 2017 18:35:37 GMT -5
And what was even worse than that was Gem and Andy trying to write songs and recapture that magic. It was sacrilege seeing 'outsiders' like that trying to do it and offering nothing but putrid shite, and their malign presence only shat on the name of a once great band. I don't think Heathen Chemistry needs this total bashing it gets every single time its mentioned. Yeah, it has a lot of faults, and i mean alot. But terms like putrid shite? Stop Crying Your Heart Out is absolute genius to me, maybe even my favourite Oasis song. Songbird is right up there for me too. Then the other 2 singles sit alongside anything they've released for me. The poster before said HC was Noel trying to recapture the 90s Oasis in terms of anthems but tbh we ended up with 4 brilliant singles and the rest very average filler. Nothing of the levels of awfulness it is always derided with on here every single time. I'd argue the worse thing was, after that we stopped getting Noel attempt to write SCYHO type songs and got songs like Get Off Your High Horse Lady. The other two albums were more consistent but only IOBI was a truly great single, Lyla at a push. Songbird and Stop Crying are the only songs I like from that album.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 25, 2017 18:35:44 GMT -5
Gem did recommend that Noel change the lyrics of the Hindu Times from being dark to happy. But I do tend to agree. Haha well that was definitely bad advice! I'm not knocking Noel, he did well to continue writing 2 or 3 great songs for Oasis albums but maybe that gave rise to the belief that had the others not had a few spots on each album Noel would have just filled them with more great songs. In my opinion he was just less prolific. There are a lot of songwriters of perhaps higher worldwide regard who have gone through much deeper troughs, Dylan, Lennon, McCartney, Young to name but a few. I'm sure Andy and Gem did the best they could but when your star player doesn't have as much in the tank as they once did its always going to be hard for those following in there wake. I agree with this. Noel had lost his mojo for a long long time post 2000. It only really came back towards the end of DOYS.
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Post by cloudburster on Sept 25, 2017 18:41:26 GMT -5
Agreed. When he tried to recapture those 90s classics we got dirge like Heathen Chemistry And what was even worse than that was Gem and Andy trying to write songs and recapture that magic. It was sacrilege seeing 'outsiders' like that trying to do it and offering nothing but putrid shite, and their malign presence only shat on the name of a once great band. True. Although I do love Turn up the sun, 1 great tune between 2 songwriters over 3 albums is not a good return
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 25, 2017 18:56:19 GMT -5
I still cannot for the life of me work out why Noel chose to put A Quick Peep and Hung In A Bad Place on HC instead of Thank You For The Good Times and The Roller.
I really hope we get a 2002 version of the Roller one day.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 25, 2017 19:00:19 GMT -5
I don't think Heathen Chemistry needs this total bashing it gets every single time its mentioned. Yeah, it has a lot of faults, and i mean alot. But terms like putrid shite? Stop Crying Your Heart Out is absolute genius to me, maybe even my favourite Oasis song. Songbird is right up there for me too. Then the other 2 singles sit alongside anything they've released for me. The poster before said HC was Noel trying to recapture the 90s Oasis in terms of anthems but tbh we ended up with 4 brilliant singles and the rest very average filler. Nothing of the levels of awfulness it is always derided with on here every single time. I'd argue the worse thing was, after that we stopped getting Noel attempt to write SCYHO type songs and got songs like Get Off Your High Horse Lady. The other two albums were more consistent but only IOBI was a truly great single, Lyla at a push. Songbird and Stop Crying are the only songs I like from that album. For me its kind of like, he went for his 90s songwriting and managed 3 (Hindu Times, SCYHO and Little By Little) great Oasis songs that go alongside their best work with HC and with the last 2 albums he took a very different approach and although much more consistent, he never reached the true heights of the HC singles. So now looking back on their catalogue, im still very glad HC existed. The b-sides (off the top of my head) were Idlers Dream, Shout It Out Loud and Just Getting Older too which were brilliant songs IMO. Yet another example of a poor track listing choice.
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Post by neila83 on Sept 25, 2017 19:00:55 GMT -5
I still cannot for the life of me work out why Noel chose to put A Quick Peep and Hung In A Bad Place on HC instead of Thank You For The Good Times and The Roller. I really hope we get a 2002 version of the Roller one day. A lot of Noel's tracklisting decisions are beyond comprehension and we'll never have an explanation. SOTSOG is the worst for me because it's not just about improving mediocrity, a couple of changes and that could have been a genuinely classic album. Such a missed opportunity it pains me. I don't think any of the later albums had the potential to be truely great, however you mess around with the tracks. I guess a case could be made for DOYS.
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