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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 15:51:35 GMT -5
Another good sign for this album - Noel has not been over-hyping it and making crazy statements. The Greatest Song I've Written. Sounds like Led Zeppelin meets the Beatles with a 100-Piece Symphony. Did he say anything of interest in today's radio interviews?? I feel like no one's commenting on this.
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Post by instantkarma84 on Sept 25, 2017 15:51:54 GMT -5
Dead In The Water will be a solo acoustic tune from the same RTE2FM session that he recorded Dying Of The Light.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 25, 2017 15:54:16 GMT -5
The ability for a musician to take your mind to a physical place, as well as an emotional one, is for me one of the defining traits of a truly great artist. Those acts that can fire off the imagination are really special. Noel at his best has always been the go to guy for an emotional catharsis, whether it's an epic weepy or upbeat and joyous tune. In particular, I think he is the only artist that can do pure joy and happiness without feeling insincere. That's probably the hardest thing to pull off for any songwriter because it either comes off as contrived or downright cheesy in the majority of cases. And Noel's songs are the shot in the arm you need whenever you feel down. Nobody does it better than him and nobody does it quite like him, and that's why you can only laugh and cringe at his pale imitators of him who just can't get it right. I can't quite explain why but it's most likely due to his supreme melodic abilities, of which he is in the top three greatest melodists of all time in music history (personally topping it). However, when the emotional input of his songwriting has failed and it has felt contrived, that's when Noel has begun to falter. And he never really sought out different methods of doing things when he was faltering and that is a real shame considering that, for me personally, his greatest moments since the 2000s have been those songs that take you on a journey to a physical place as well as an emotional one. Gas Panic for me conjures up cold, dark, sinister and ghostly imagery that complements it's moody melody and that really drives home that sense of paranoia and insecurity. He totally nailed that spectacularly and the versatility of that song is shown in both the studio and demo form; it works perfectly with Liam's piercing and menacing vocals and it works well with Noel's more hushed and insecure vocals on the demo. Either way it hits the spot. So the build up to this album has privately intrigued me more than anything since I've been an Oasis fan. And now that we've heard snippets, my expectations have gone through the roof. The way this works is that it is supposed to be dampened by hearing 'not another (INSERT CLASSIC BRITISH ARTIST) pastiche' and 'not another pale Oasis retread' etc etc etc. But there's nothing that jumps out and screams derivative to me, because this sounds genuinely other worldly to me. The psychedelic imagery that accompanies this is looking spot on because the music and melody is sounding very colourful and vibrant. The Beautiful World chorus is stuck in my head - a bizarre mix of joy and mystique. That understated vocal reminds me of something Bono would have sung with 90s era U2 (which is a great thing). There's an ethereal upbeat vibe to it - ethereal AND upbeat? That's a trick to pull off and the contrast between the verse and the chorus makes it what it is. But more importantly, it doesn't sound like any melody Noel has written before - I think Holmes may have done a fantastic job prompting Noel to explore different melodic ideas by the sounds of things. And what a weird vocal effect on Noel as well. That's proper psychedelia there without any naval gazing pretensions that psychedelic music can so easily fall into. That's his melodic sensibilities coming to the fore - drawing back the listener to make it wondrous but accessible at the same time. It sounds amazing. And do I detect a hint of shoegaze in She Taught Me How To Fly? The propulsive rhythm and the distorted vocals that are relatively low in the mix conjures up the psychedelic blizzards I get from My Bloody Valentine. The tune does indeed fly and sounds like it's going to be a right endorphine rush! Can't help but think of things like that psychedelic flight across the mountainous Jupiter in 2001: A Space Odyssey. The colour and vibrancy of these snippets, and the subtle dynamics you can pick out whether that is a vocal effect, a drum loop or a riff layered beneath other sounds means this album is going to be a real feast, picking out snippets here and there that you may have missed on first impressions. The accompanying imagery of the album artwork and the 2 minute advert seems to be perfect. It seems like it actually fits the music from what we've heard! This is pure escapism, just what the best music should do! This isn't a tease like the Dig Out Your Soul artwork - remember when that was unveiled? Don't judge a book by it's cover, or more accurately an album by it's cover, because that amazing artwork unfortunately did not go well with the rather stodgy and bland music that was contained in that album. I think this is gonna be a belter of an album. Cannot fucking wait and it's a great feeling that after ten years as an Oasis fan and thinking the fandom had dissipated to be quite brutally honest due to a constant string of solid but unexceptional albums (from both Oasis and post-Oasis), that this is making me feel like a kid on Christmas Eve. With so much going on in the Oasis universe, none of us are gonna get bored. Agree with all this, except the 'dig' (see what I did there) at DOYS. A couple tracks are truly average. But when you have The Turning, TSOTL, I'm outta time, and Falling down, you can't diss too hard. I like DOYS a lot, especially the first 6 tracks.
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Post by PartlyCloudlike on Sept 25, 2017 15:54:54 GMT -5
When Noel goes darker, good things always happens. Falling Down was used for an anime intro (Eden of the East), and non-Oasis fans are stunned by it. They don't even know it's Oasis. When ITHOTM Toy Drum remix was used for an Assassins Creed trailer, again the refrain from listeners was "Who is this??? Song name???" The farther Noel gets away from his Oasis sound, the better as far as I'm concerned.
Moody Noel is best Noel. Maybe not the best Noel to be brothers with, but musically yes.
I recall Liam in an interview once remarking that Noel has a very dark side. I believe it.
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 25, 2017 15:55:44 GMT -5
There's such a variety of influences in that two minute clip. Bit of trip-hop, bit of dance, bit of shoegaze, bit of psychedelia, even some French spoken word! Really flares the imagination for the possibilities of what could be on the album. Probably the most exciting new bit of music I've heard from a Gallagher.
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Post by matt on Sept 25, 2017 15:57:50 GMT -5
The ability for a musician to take your mind to a physical place, as well as an emotional one, is for me one of the defining traits of a truly great artist. Those acts that can fire off the imagination are really special. Noel at his best has always been the go to guy for an emotional catharsis, whether it's an epic weepy or upbeat and joyous tune. In particular, I think he is the only artist that can do pure joy and happiness without feeling insincere. That's probably the hardest thing to pull off for any songwriter because it either comes off as contrived or downright cheesy in the majority of cases. And Noel's songs are the shot in the arm you need whenever you feel down. Nobody does it better than him and nobody does it quite like him, and that's why you can only laugh and cringe at his pale imitators of him who just can't get it right. I can't quite explain why but it's most likely due to his supreme melodic abilities, of which he is in the top three greatest melodists of all time in music history (personally topping it). However, when the emotional input of his songwriting has failed and it has felt contrived, that's when Noel has begun to falter. And he never really sought out different methods of doing things when he was faltering and that is a real shame considering that, for me personally, his greatest moments since the 2000s have been those songs that take you on a journey to a physical place as well as an emotional one. Gas Panic for me conjures up cold, dark, sinister and ghostly imagery that complements it's moody melody and that really drives home that sense of paranoia and insecurity. He totally nailed that spectacularly and the versatility of that song is shown in both the studio and demo form; it works perfectly with Liam's piercing and menacing vocals and it works well with Noel's more hushed and insecure vocals on the demo. Either way it hits the spot. So the build up to this album has privately intrigued me more than anything since I've been an Oasis fan. And now that we've heard snippets, my expectations have gone through the roof. The way this works is that it is supposed to be dampened by hearing 'not another (INSERT CLASSIC BRITISH ARTIST) pastiche' and 'not another pale Oasis retread' etc etc etc. But there's nothing that jumps out and screams derivative to me, because this sounds genuinely other worldly to me. The psychedelic imagery that accompanies this is looking spot on because the music and melody is sounding very colourful and vibrant. The Beautiful World chorus is stuck in my head - a bizarre mix of joy and mystique. That understated vocal reminds me of something Bono would have sung with 90s era U2 (which is a great thing). There's an ethereal upbeat vibe to it - ethereal AND upbeat? That's a trick to pull off and the contrast between the verse and the chorus makes it what it is. But more importantly, it doesn't sound like any melody Noel has written before - I think Holmes may have done a fantastic job prompting Noel to explore different melodic ideas by the sounds of things. And what a weird vocal effect on Noel as well. That's proper psychedelia there without any naval gazing pretensions that psychedelic music can so easily fall into. That's his melodic sensibilities coming to the fore - drawing back the listener to make it wondrous but accessible at the same time. It sounds amazing. And do I detect a hint of shoegaze in She Taught Me How To Fly? The propulsive rhythm and the distorted vocals that are relatively low in the mix conjures up the psychedelic blizzards I get from My Bloody Valentine. The tune does indeed fly and sounds like it's going to be a right endorphine rush! Can't help but think of things like that psychedelic flight across the mountainous Jupiter in 2001: A Space Odyssey. The colour and vibrancy of these snippets, and the subtle dynamics you can pick out whether that is a vocal effect, a drum loop or a riff layered beneath other sounds means this album is going to be a real feast, picking out snippets here and there that you may have missed on first impressions. The accompanying imagery of the album artwork and the 2 minute advert seems to be perfect. It seems like it actually fits the music from what we've heard! This is pure escapism, just what the best music should do! This isn't a tease like the Dig Out Your Soul artwork - remember when that was unveiled? Don't judge a book by it's cover, or more accurately an album by it's cover, because that amazing artwork unfortunately did not go well with the rather stodgy and bland music that was contained in that album. I think this is gonna be a belter of an album. Cannot fucking wait and it's a great feeling that after ten years as an Oasis fan and thinking the fandom had dissipated to be quite brutally honest due to a constant string of solid but unexceptional albums (from both Oasis and post-Oasis), that this is making me feel like a kid on Christmas Eve. With so much going on in the Oasis universe, none of us are gonna get bored. Agree with all this, except the 'dig' (see what I did there) at DOYS. A couple tracks are truly average. But when you have The Turning, TSOTL, I'm outta time, and Falling down, you can't diss too hard. I like all those songs but I don't like the interpretations of them - hence why I despise Sardy's work with Oasis and Noel. I almost love Falling Down - but I've always preferred the Chemical Brothers one over it, and I think if the structure of the album version had been implemented with that sound, it would have been more of a belter. I'm Outta Time is a beautiful tune - arguably Liam's best - but the 'Beatlefied' production and Lennon sample slits the throat of the song. They absolutely ruined it, and Gem Archer's typically derivative stance (worked heavily on that track; has that bloke ever listened to an album beyond 1975?) and Liam's Lennon obsession amongst Sardy's heavy handed production killed it. Beautiful song that should have been stripped to just an acoustic guitar and a twinkly bit of piano. The Turning is decent and is always one to listen to when it pops up on my iPod shuffle, but I've never felt an urge to listen to it. Again, maybe the murky heavy handed production has a lot to do with it - it deserves an Owen Morris wall of sound. Shock of the Lightning is excellent too but that type of adrenaline rush is too far and few between on that album. Again, far too many mid tempo tunes and not enough variance. Sardy is an absolute luddite and the most creatively docile producer on the face of the earth, only ever prompting Noel and the band into bad habits personally. All I can say is, thank god for David Holmes. The contrasts could not be greater.
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 25, 2017 15:58:27 GMT -5
Another thing is that trailering the album like this, rather than releasing a one-off single first, suggests that this a complete "album experience" rather than a collection of songs. Maybe he could bleed the tracks into each other a bit like on Everything Now?
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Post by deasy on Sept 25, 2017 15:59:42 GMT -5
Just listened to the teaser and I am moist for this album.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 16:02:06 GMT -5
Dead In The Water will be a solo acoustic tune from the same RTE2FM session that he recorded Dying Of The Light. His voice sounds GREAT here so I have high hopes for the Dead in the Water performance!
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 25, 2017 16:20:02 GMT -5
Wow Noel!!
I want to make sex with this 2 min clip!
I want this inside me now.
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Post by Worldsac on Sept 25, 2017 16:28:31 GMT -5
Agree with all this, except the 'dig' (see what I did there) at DOYS. A couple tracks are truly average. But when you have The Turning, TSOTL, I'm outta time, and Falling down, you can't diss too hard. I like DOYS a lot, especially the first 6 tracks. DOYS could be a better album if Noel hadn't been such an asshole and put I Believe In All and The Boy With The Blues instead of Soldier On and Ain't Got Nothing
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Post by matt on Sept 25, 2017 16:30:42 GMT -5
I just want to say that I can't get the chorus (is that the chorus?) to Beautiful World out of my head. It's on loop. I'm not sure what people are expecting from choruses these days. I think it sounds brilliant. It's certainly not generic and predictable - more original, maybe that's throwing everyone off guard?
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Post by matt on Sept 25, 2017 16:32:31 GMT -5
I like DOYS a lot, especially the first 6 tracks. DOYS could be a better album if Noel hadn't been such an asshole and put I Believe In All and The Boy With The Blues instead of Soldier On and Ain't Got Nothing Soldier On is a very good tune. Would be a perfect closer if an epic track was preceding it, but the shite three preceding it ruins any chance of that. Boy With The Blues is good but a bit unfinished, although I Believe In All is absolute dogshit for me personally.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 25, 2017 16:42:43 GMT -5
I just want to say that I can't get the chorus (is that the chorus?) to Beautiful World out of my head. It's on loop. I'm not sure what people are expecting from choruses these days. I think it sounds brilliant. It's certainly not generic and predictable - more original, maybe that's throwing everyone off guard? It's not as "in your face" as Don't Look Back In Anger or Wonderwall is, but it does sound rather catchy and memorable enough.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 25, 2017 16:45:28 GMT -5
I need to HEAR a lot more of Beautiful World. That felt like 15 seconds. Far far shorter than the intro tune and closing tune. Or maybe we actually heard 5-6 quick snippets of new songs only we just don't realize it yet. Either way this was kinda a cool way to excite us for a few days before Fridays eventual single release.
I guess I can hear a little Discotheque in there but I have no clue. It was so so short and taken from a random point in the track.
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Post by batfink30 on Sept 25, 2017 16:45:39 GMT -5
Pray that the rest of the album is as atmospheric as this, it's off the scale. For Knox gives me a panic when I hear it. Some really good stuff in this.
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Post by matt on Sept 25, 2017 16:46:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure what people are expecting from choruses these days. I think it sounds brilliant. It's certainly not generic and predictable - more original, maybe that's throwing everyone off guard? It's not as "in your face" as Don't Look Back In Anger or Wonderwall is, but it does sound rather catchy and memorable enough. Certainly agree, but anyone wishing for that has to get this notion out of their heads that he could ever replicate them. He cannot and will never replicate them. These songs only come around once in a generation. So why do pale imitations of them? Try something new and different instead. Provide us with a new experience. And thank god, it looks as if he has.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 25, 2017 16:53:51 GMT -5
It's not as "in your face" as Don't Look Back In Anger or Wonderwall is, but it does sound rather catchy and memorable enough. Certainly agree, but anyone wishing for that has to get this notion out of their heads that he could ever replicate them. He cannot and will never replicate them. These songs only come around once in a generation. So why do pale imitations of them? Try something new and different instead. Provide us with a new experience. And thank god, it looks as if he has. Agree. Not everything has to be a joyous drunken sing along fest. We have plenty of Oasis and earlier HFB songs for that.
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Post by carlober on Sept 25, 2017 16:55:00 GMT -5
I've listened to the clips on repeat for a while and Fort Knox (aka the first clip) does sound incredible. Wow.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 25, 2017 16:59:04 GMT -5
I've listened to the clips on repeat for a while and Fort Knox (aka the first clip) does sound incredible. Wow. and what is the clip right after Knox but before Beautiful?
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Post by Manualex on Sept 25, 2017 16:59:09 GMT -5
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Post by Thomas on Sept 25, 2017 17:00:50 GMT -5
I've listened to the clips on repeat for a while and Fort Knox (aka the first clip) does sound incredible. Wow. and what is the clip right after Knox but before Beautiful? I'd assume it's part of Fort Knox cause the doorbell goes on within it.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 25, 2017 17:01:09 GMT -5
I'm trying my best to hear these clips at a minimum.
But I do like Fort Knox. There are little things going on in the mix that I notice with each listen. I like the guitar tone for Beautiful World, and I'm really interested in the french portions.
I do believe the first song is Fort Knox, and the second is Beautiful World, but I'm not sure the final portion is one song. I think it might be a snippet of three songs. The French portion being one, She Taught me How to Fly being the other, and the ending female vocal being another.
I think there MIGHT be 5 songs in there.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 25, 2017 17:07:11 GMT -5
I'm trying my best to hear these clips at a minimum. But I do like Fort Knox. There are little things going on in the mix that I notice with each listen. I like the guitar tone for Beautiful World, and I'm really interested in the french portions. I do believe the first song is Fort Knox, and the second is Beautiful World, but I'm not sure the final portion is one song. I think it might be a snippet of three songs. The French portion being one, She Taught me How to Fly being the other, and the ending female vocal being another. I think there MIGHT be 5 songs in there. Gun to the head, I rank the clips as follows: #1: Clip 3 #2: Clip 1 #3: Clip 2
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Sept 25, 2017 17:10:11 GMT -5
Certainly agree, but anyone wishing for that has to get this notion out of their heads that he could ever replicate them. He cannot and will never replicate them. These songs only come around once in a generation. So why do pale imitations of them? Try something new and different instead. Provide us with a new experience. And thank god, it looks as if he has. Agree. Not everything has to be a joyous drunken sing along fest. We have plenty of Oasis and earlier HFB songs for that. Agree with this but what is a Noel Gallagher audience now and what type of fan is buying his album? I hate being labelled with that bracket of kasabian,stone roses,libertines etc if you tell someone you are an Oasis fan but that stereotype exists for a reason and that kind of "fan" is so prominent at Noel arena gigs and im sure at the upcoming Liam ones too. We all say on here about what we would love to happen as fans and in an ideal world they are usually better, more imaginative ideas than the artists ever come up with (bit like fan theory for upcoming films and then the actual story is generic shit cough cough Jar Jar Abrams) but we live in a world where Liam Gallagher would rather have an american hes never met write him a song than sit down with his 3 mates in a studio and do it because it equals arenas and we all accept it as success. If Noel creates something innovative and exciting that goes alongside those bands we all listen to outside of that stereotypical bracket then great, but if that album bombs commercially there is no way he will be back with anything other than If I Had A Gun part 2 and Dave Sardy.
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