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Post by matt on May 29, 2017 13:41:55 GMT -5
I'm currently reading Lizzy Goodman's book on the New York rock scene between 2001 and 2011. I was surprised to see that David Holmes just popped up in the book. In the late 90s he worked with James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem fame along with Tim Goldsworthy. Those guys partied hard, did tons of DJ sets and it led to the first time James did drugs.......ecstasy while David was playing "Tomorrow Never Knows" during his set. It didn't end well. The production marriage split and they are no longer friends. Interesting. Any details or tidbits that may give an indication of what Noel's album may sound like judging on past production efforts? I have Let's Get Killed and The Holy Pictures from Holmes, but nothing of his production work (think I've heard bits and pieces of a Primal Scream album he did a few years back but nothing else). |
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Post by bt95 on May 29, 2017 14:41:43 GMT -5
flashbax also Noel referenced last year after Bowie's death that he was using the harmonica from 'The Gene Genie' on one of his tracks. He claimed this was a new track, but if you listen to the demo of She Must Be One Of Us, the harmonica track from 'TGG' is clearly used on that demo. So I think She Must Be One Of Us will be on it - or perhaps a version on it. I really doubt this. Noel said he and David had one rule during these album sessions. No outside material was to be used. It had to be written and recorded in that studio. That rules out all the songs laying in his closet. This is a GOOD thing. He's also said that 'Bye Bye My Family' (apologies as I can't remember the actual song title he revealed) would be on the new album. He said that back in 2015 - and he's mentioned a few times that he started work on the third album long before CY was released. So, let's wait and see before writing anything off! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 29, 2017 15:02:59 GMT -5
I really doubt this. Noel said he and David had one rule during these album sessions. No outside material was to be used. It had to be written and recorded in that studio. That rules out all the songs laying in his closet. This is a GOOD thing. He's also said that 'Bye Bye My Family' (apologies as I can't remember the actual song title he revealed) would be on the new album. He said that back in 2015 - and he's mentioned a few times that he started work on the third album long before CY was released. So, let's wait and see before writing anything off! Noel might have said that prior to working with Holmes but he's never said that once production began. That won't be on album 3 per Noel/Holmes rules. And good! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 29, 2017 15:04:42 GMT -5
I'm currently reading Lizzy Goodman's book on the New York rock scene between 2001 and 2011. I was surprised to see that David Holmes just popped up in the book. In the late 90s he worked with James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem fame along with Tim Goldsworthy. Those guys partied hard, did tons of DJ sets and it led to the first time James did drugs.......ecstasy while David was playing "Tomorrow Never Knows" during his set. It didn't end well. The production marriage split and they are no longer friends. Interesting. Any details or tidbits that may give an indication of what Noel's album may sound like judging on past production efforts? I have Let's Get Killed and The Holy Pictures from Holmes, but nothing of his production work (think I've heard bits and pieces of a Primal Scream album he did a few years back but nothing else). Unfortunately not. Let's Get Killed was the album they worked on at DFA. Holmes is obviously a big electronic, samples and film score guy. So expect the album to be more upbeat and modern. |
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Post by bt95 on May 29, 2017 16:10:42 GMT -5
He's also said that 'Bye Bye My Family' (apologies as I can't remember the actual song title he revealed) would be on the new album. He said that back in 2015 - and he's mentioned a few times that he started work on the third album long before CY was released. So, let's wait and see before writing anything off! Noel might have said that prior to working with Holmes but he's never said that once production began. That won't be on album 3 per Noel/Holmes rules. And good! He said in his Radio X interview just this week that he started work on the third album in 2014. As I mentioned, he said 'Bye Bye My Family' (which I think may be titled 'Don't Stop Been Happy'?) will be on the album in what I think was a Reddit chat that took place in 2015 or early 2016. So as I said, we will see! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 29, 2017 16:26:05 GMT -5
Noel might have said that prior to working with Holmes but he's never said that once production began. That won't be on album 3 per Noel/Holmes rules. And good! He said in his Radio X interview just this week that he started work on the third album in 2014. As I mentioned, he said 'Bye Bye My Family' (which I think may be titled 'Don't Stop Been Happy'?) will be on the album in what I think was a Reddit chat that took place in 2015 or early 2016. So as I said, we will see! I need to see the actual chat again. I remember the story but don't remember anything concrete. I wouldn't believe that quote now. Not after the last year or so that only fresh written material in studio would be used. Trust me it's for the best. Using a song from 10+ years ago and a classic Noel ballad........no thanks. Progress people. |
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Post by Manualex on May 29, 2017 16:32:36 GMT -5
He said in his Radio X interview just this week that he started work on the third album in 2014. As I mentioned, he said 'Bye Bye My Family' (which I think may be titled 'Don't Stop Been Happy'?) will be on the album in what I think was a Reddit chat that took place in 2015 or early 2016. So as I said, we will see! I need to see the actual chat again. I remember the story but don't remember anything concrete. I wouldn't believe that quote now. Not after the last year or so that only fresh written material in studio would be used. Trust me it's for the best. Using a song from 10+ years ago and a classic Noel ballad........no thanks. Progress people. |
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Post by carlober on May 29, 2017 16:36:34 GMT -5
He said he had already recorded it, so I don't think it will fit in the Holmes album:
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Post by matt on May 29, 2017 17:08:28 GMT -5
Yeah, he doesn't actually state it will be on the next album.
Under exceptional circumstances, there may be a song on there that has been mentioned, but it's pretty clear for a couple of years that David Holmes would only work on the basis of making it in the studio. Hence the long gestation period of this album (Oct 2013, the day Lou Reed died precisely).
And anyway, who cares if they aren't on the album? These songs aren't that exceptional anyway - they're generally the same mish-mash mid tempo plodders (or pish in the sense of She Must Be One Of Us) we've got from Noel in his solo career. Time for something different.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 18:22:41 GMT -5
Interesting. Any details or tidbits that may give an indication of what Noel's album may sound like judging on past production efforts? I have Let's Get Killed and The Holy Pictures from Holmes, but nothing of his production work (think I've heard bits and pieces of a Primal Scream album he did a few years back but nothing else). Unfortunately not. Let's Get Killed was the album they worked on at DFA. Holmes is obviously a big electronic, samples and film score guy. So expect the album to be more upbeat and modern. The production will almost definitely be better than what's generally expected for a Gallagher related album, but I wouldn't necessarily expect it to be upbeat and modern (although it could be). More Light by Primal Scream from 2013 which they worked with David Holmes on (maybe to a different degree to Noel) is one of their slowest, least upbeat and least electronic albums, albeit more experimental and varied than they had been for over a decade at that point. Also imo it's probably one of their more 'replayable' albums. I'm not much of a fan of David Holmes' solo albums as they feel a bit too 'soundtracky' and fade into the background a bit (although I've not got any other major issues with them). However, the main thing I hope he brings to Noel's next album, if anything, is the sort of subtle variations in sound that seems to characterise his productions and tend to keep the music as interesting on the 20th listen as it was on the 2nd listen. |
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Post by spaneli on May 29, 2017 18:37:51 GMT -5
Unfortunately not. Let's Get Killed was the album they worked on at DFA. Holmes is obviously a big electronic, samples and film score guy. So expect the album to be more upbeat and modern. The production will almost definitely be better than what's generally expected for a Gallagher related album, but I wouldn't necessarily expect it to be upbeat and modern (although it could be). More Light by Primal Scream from 2013 which they worked with David Holmes on (maybe to a different degree to Noel) is one of their slowest, least upbeat and least electronic albums, albeit more experimental and varied than they had been for over a decade at that point. Also imo it's probably one of their more 'replayable' albums. I'm not much of a fan of David Holmes' solo albums as they feel a bit too 'soundtracky' and fade into the background a bit (although I've not got any other major issues with them). However, the main thing I hope he brings to Noel's next album, if anything, is the sort of subtle variations in sound that seems to characterise his productions and tend to keep the music as interesting on the 20th listen as it was on the 2nd listen. David Holmes did say that they were working on more uptempo tracks. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 18:39:08 GMT -5
The production will almost definitely be better than what's generally expected for a Gallagher related album, but I wouldn't necessarily expect it to be upbeat and modern (although it could be). More Light by Primal Scream from 2013 which they worked with David Holmes on (maybe to a different degree to Noel) is one of their slowest, least upbeat and least electronic albums, albeit more experimental and varied than they had been for over a decade at that point. Also imo it's probably one of their more 'replayable' albums. I'm not much of a fan of David Holmes' solo albums as they feel a bit too 'soundtracky' and fade into the background a bit (although I've not got any other major issues with them). However, the main thing I hope he brings to Noel's next album, if anything, is the sort of subtle variations in sound that seems to characterise his productions and tend to keep the music as interesting on the 20th listen as it was on the 2nd listen. David Holmes did say that they were working on more uptempo tracks. Ah ok, thanks, didn't hear that  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 29, 2017 19:02:10 GMT -5
She Must Be One Of Us is his officiall worst song ever. Even worse than She Is Love. No fucking thanks - it better not be on the album.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 29, 2017 19:12:16 GMT -5
I need to see the actual chat again. I remember the story but don't remember anything concrete. I wouldn't believe that quote now. Not after the last year or so that only fresh written material in studio would be used. Trust me it's for the best. Using a song from 10+ years ago and a classic Noel ballad........no thanks. Progress people. Like I thought. He doesn't actually say "third album" but instead uses terms like "not sure when", "eventually" and "soon". Hardly definitive terms for LP #3. "That song is called "Don't stop..." I've already recorded it. The reason it didn't make it onto "Chasing Yesterday" was because it didn't fit the vibe of the album. Needless to say, when I finally get 'round to releasing it, I think it will be one of my best ever releases. The sound of it is more akin to the first album, and I felt like "Chasing Yesterday" had moved on a little bit. But it's a great song, and I love it, and when I finally release it, you're going to love it (fans, that is)." If it didn't make Chasing Yesterdsay because it sounded too much like HFB then it certainly won't make this uptemp Holmes release. Again this is a GOOD thing. Fresh blood people. |
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Post by glider on May 29, 2017 19:35:56 GMT -5
Haven't looked into David Holmes' previous work. Is the album probably going to be more spacey and atmospheric?
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 29, 2017 19:51:58 GMT -5
Haven't looked into David Holmes' previous work. Is the album probably going to be more spacey and atmospheric? I hope it sounds anti Noel which I mean in the best possible way. |
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Post by matt on May 30, 2017 13:56:38 GMT -5
Not really relevant, but in the sleeve notes of Let's Get Killed, it has Gem Archer credited on guitar for one of the tracks (this was prior to him joining Oasis).
Just wondering how far back the links with David Holmes goes.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 30, 2017 14:06:00 GMT -5
Not really relevant, but in the sleeve notes of Let's Get Killed, it has Gem Archer credited on guitar for one of the tracks (this was prior to him joining Oasis). Just wondering how far back the links with David Holmes goes. Don't, or you'll end up frustrated that they didn't use him before. |
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Post by matt on May 30, 2017 14:11:12 GMT -5
Not really relevant, but in the sleeve notes of Let's Get Killed, it has Gem Archer credited on guitar for one of the tracks (this was prior to him joining Oasis). Just wondering how far back the links with David Holmes goes. Don't, or you'll end up frustrated that they didn't use him before. Makes you think though doesn't it. Especially as they hired DIV for the initial DBTT sessions. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jun 1, 2017 12:14:07 GMT -5
Don't, or you'll end up frustrated that they didn't use him before. Makes you think though doesn't it. Especially as they hired DIV for the initial DBTT sessions. Said it many times but it's frustrating the times the band went to push forward only to pull back at the last moment, and missing anything chance of an 'Achtung Baby' styles rebirth. As to Oasis/Holmes Alan McGee praised the latter for 'Bow Down to the Exit Sign' in 2000 when berating the Mercury Music Awards for not nominating Holmes- Music to wet your bed to ( Guardian 28th July 2000 ) so I would imagine he also knew McGee from that and the earlier dance era and by extension possibly some of the Creation Records roster. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 1, 2017 12:25:06 GMT -5
Makes you think though doesn't it. Especially as they hired DIV for the initial DBTT sessions. Said it many times but it's frustrating the times the band went to push forward only to pull back at the last moment, and missing anything chance of an 'Achtung Baby' styles rebirth. As to Oasis/Holmes Alan McGee praised the latter for 'Bow Down to the Exit Sign' in 2000 when berating the Mercury Music Awards for not nominating Holmes- Music to wet your bed to ( Guardian 28th July 2000 ) so I would imagine he also knew McGee from that and the earlier dance era and by extension possibly some of the Creation Records roster. They needed to be pushed. Noel needed to be stripped down and open to new ideas. He was obviously broken after BHN and SOTSOG tours. He should have been forced. I've said it many many times, Oasis deserved to work with a truly great producer. Look at Noel now. He finally took David Holmes advice and broke one of his golden rules of not entering a studio without material. Now he says the results are wonderful. I really hope it is. I'm totally fucking over the moon excited for this record. I hope he announces it before the U2 tour. Let's get It poppin' people.  |
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Post by Gin & Tonic on Jun 1, 2017 12:32:57 GMT -5
He just said he's thinking of playing She Is Love on the next tour. Would be interesting to hear a version of it! That song is the literal drizzling shits, I fucking hope he doesn't waste a spot on that. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 6, 2017 10:09:04 GMT -5
So I would assume a new single by mid July and possible album announcement.
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Post by knownoname on Jun 6, 2017 10:32:15 GMT -5
Said it many times but it's frustrating the times the band went to push forward only to pull back at the last moment, and missing anything chance of an 'Achtung Baby' styles rebirth. As to Oasis/Holmes Alan McGee praised the latter for 'Bow Down to the Exit Sign' in 2000 when berating the Mercury Music Awards for not nominating Holmes- Music to wet your bed to ( Guardian 28th July 2000 ) so I would imagine he also knew McGee from that and the earlier dance era and by extension possibly some of the Creation Records roster. They needed to be pushed. Noel needed to be stripped down and open to new ideas. He was obviously broken after BHN and SOTSOG tours. He should have been forced. I've said it many many times, Oasis deserved to work with a truly great producer. Look at Noel now. He finally took David Holmes advice and broke one of his golden rules of not entering a studio without material. Now he says the results are wonderful. I really hope it is. I'm totally fucking over the moon excited for this record. I hope he announces it before the U2 tour. Let's get It poppin' people. Strangely, after what happened with Amorphous Androgynous, I have some 10% fear left that he is scrapping the whole thing again. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 6, 2017 10:40:45 GMT -5
They needed to be pushed. Noel needed to be stripped down and open to new ideas. He was obviously broken after BHN and SOTSOG tours. He should have been forced. I've said it many many times, Oasis deserved to work with a truly great producer. Look at Noel now. He finally took David Holmes advice and broke one of his golden rules of not entering a studio without material. Now he says the results are wonderful. I really hope it is. I'm totally fucking over the moon excited for this record. I hope he announces it before the U2 tour. Let's get It poppin' people. Strangely, after what happened with Amorphous Androgynous, I have some 10% fear left that he is scrapping the whole thing again. No chance. These U2 gigs are strategically planned to run right into his own album release and eventual winter tour. |
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