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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 19, 2017 8:27:17 GMT -5
Noel's management is from 1995
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 19, 2017 8:57:24 GMT -5
Noel's management is from 1995 Optimist.
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Post by andymorris on Apr 19, 2017 8:57:44 GMT -5
Chasing Yesterday was mastered around the time of the World Cup final in 2014 (July, if I'm not mistaken), and Noel referred to having finished the album "early", hence the long wait. That would suggest that the release had been planned for March 2015 and he could have delivered the album weeks or even months after he did.
Noel finished the last song (In the Heat of the Moment) the day after the World Cup final. They couldn't release it in Ocotber because the MG reissue was still selling copies. And for some reason Noel only can release an album in October or March. "Some reason" is simple: those are the two time frames when albums sell the most. March you got the whole festival season ahead (new listeners), and October is perfect for Christmas (gift shopping). It's not hard to understand people : Noel WONT release his record if Liam is still actively touring coz that would cannibalize both acts. It would be like releasing a superman and a batman movie at the same time. So if Liam release his album in june/july and tours until october, no Noel this year. If he only does festival until august, there is a slight chance for october. My money (that i dont have) for march next year.
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Post by spaneli on Apr 19, 2017 9:05:20 GMT -5
Then why would his label give him an "ultimatum" that the album needs to be finished by June? Surely the release is planned for autumn.
An album finished by June means a release in the spring the next year, not 3 months later. Finished means it's in the hands of marketing, that will work on god knows what for the next 6 to 9 months. I don't think that will be the case this time around. Noel seemed really pissed that he was releasing in the spring. Also, Chasing Yesterday had a big sales drop. I think Noel is going to really want to release during the fall this time around to increase his sales. I can see him touring with U2 and beginning a full tour in October or September. Mastering usually takes a couple of weeks, so he'll be finished with that by the beginning of May. I see no reason not to expect a single by late August or early September, with a release in October, considering, October will be 5 months away, which actually fits within the 6-9 month timeline. Besides, I'm sure his management has already heard an unmastered version. Why would they wait until it was fully mastered to begin marketing? Also, as I recall, DOYS was finished recording in March, with an October release. We're about in that timeline right now.
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Post by spaneli on Apr 19, 2017 9:08:02 GMT -5
Noel finished the last song (In the Heat of the Moment) the day after the World Cup final. They couldn't release it in Ocotber because the MG reissue was still selling copies. And for some reason Noel only can release an album in October or March. "Some reason" is simple: those are the two time frames when albums sell the most. March you got the whole festival season ahead (new listeners), and October is perfect for Christmas (gift shopping). It's not hard to understand people : Noel WONT release his record if Liam is still actively touring coz that would cannibalize both acts. It would be like releasing a superman and a batman movie at the same time. So if Liam release his album in june/july and tours until october, no Noel this year. If he only does festival until august, there is a slight chance for october. My money (that i dont have) for march next year. Except, this did happen. Plus, I do recall some overlap in touring with DGSS and HFB's. Noel is already an established solo act. I don't think him getting a window to release matters as much to him, as it matters to Liam.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Apr 19, 2017 9:09:42 GMT -5
Noel finished the last song (In the Heat of the Moment) the day after the World Cup final. They couldn't release it in Ocotber because the MG reissue was still selling copies. And for some reason Noel only can release an album in October or March. "Some reason" is simple: those are the two time frames when albums sell the most. March you got the whole festival season ahead (new listeners), and October is perfect for Christmas (gift shopping). It's not hard to understand people : Noel WONT release his record if Liam is still actively touring coz that would cannibalize both acts. It would be like releasing a superman and a batman movie at the same time.So if Liam release his album in june/july and tours until october, no Noel this year. If he only does festival until august, there is a slight chance for october. My money (that i dont have) for march next year.
It would probably be a mistake to release the two albums on the same week, but other than that, I don't see how your point makes sense. Your analogy doesn't apply as long as people don't have to choose between seeing Noel or Liam live on the same dates. Plus there are precedents, Beady Eye were touring all throughout autumn 2011.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 19, 2017 9:13:47 GMT -5
That Noel announcement in October 2014 still makes me laugh. I got a new album out in 5 months. Go!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 10:53:44 GMT -5
I really wonder if Noel will play his new single at the Joshua Tree tour.
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Post by Gas Panic on Apr 19, 2017 12:09:24 GMT -5
I really wonder if Noel will play his new single at the Joshua Tree tour. Expect him not to I'd say. The last thing you ever want to do at a HFB gig is get your hopes up.
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Post by Jago88 on Apr 19, 2017 17:51:23 GMT -5
[/quote]Not really bothered about about the AA album at this stage, but I just hope he doesn't water down his current work with David Holmes - ala what he did to The Mexican (stripping it from a psychedelic Gimme Shelter type tune to a pile of stodgy mince that it became). Quite literally, the only bit of sonic intrigue he kept on that final version was a cowbell.
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Where can you hear this?
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Post by matt on Apr 19, 2017 18:37:44 GMT -5
Not really bothered about about the AA album at this stage, but I just hope he doesn't water down his current work with David Holmes - ala what he did to The Mexican (stripping it from a psychedelic Gimme Shelter type tune to a pile of stodgy mince that it became). Quite literally, the only bit of sonic intrigue he kept on that final version was a cowbell. [/quote] Where can you hear this?[/quote] Sadly we cannot! But this was the description that Gaz provided on his Facebook rant of the original track - he sneered at the final product, like many of us did.
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Post by glider on Apr 19, 2017 18:49:04 GMT -5
That Noel announcement in October 2014 still makes me laugh. I got a new album out in 5 months. Go!!! These days I feel a sole lead single release doesn't cut it anymore if the album is still a few months out. I like how Gorillaz released 4 songs (not counting Halejullah Money) the same day they announced 'Humanz'. They also just released 'Let Me Out' as well a week ago I believe. They benefit from releasing so many songs at once from the fact that the album's standard tracklist is 20 songs! (and then an extra 6 on the deluxe). Not only plenty of tracks to listen to ahead of the release, but also many more to come as well. Let's say Noel's LP3 is 10 tracks like Chasing Yesterday - he can either announce the album one month before release, and just do a sole single to hold people over, or 2 (or 3) singles with 2-3 months out. When you release the lead single and your album's out months later, it kind of gets forgotten and the inital hype dissapates from the larger crowd, with only hardcore fans still gnawing at the bits for any leaks or information. Noel can't release another single with still two months out of the album like he did with 'Ballad'. Sure there was still excitement over the release of the new track before the album - but much of any hype from a mainstream audience died down from waiting three months to release your next single. Your hardcore fans will be there to get your album and keep their hype levels raised, but you lose alot of that from a potential mainstream audience that you can capitalize on when you wait too long between the lead single and the LP release.
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Post by dadrocker on Apr 20, 2017 13:23:07 GMT -5
I second this. I know what producing is, but I've never really known anything about mixing and mastering. The basic answer comes down to the changes that can be made. The producer mostly deals in a blank state. He/she work with the artist on a number of demos and begin to record actual version. They're actually within the recording process, and can sometimes contribute compositions. The producer's job, is when finished, to have fully realized the artist's vision in recorded form. The mixing engineer then receives what producer and artist have thought up (sometimes the producer will also act as the mixing engineer, sometimes someone separately will be hired). When you record, some instruments are naturally louder or softer, take up more head room or less. The mixing engineer's job is to make everything in the recording have clarity, and to make sure that certain sections resonate well. Like, you may have piano playing throughout the entire song, but the mixing engineer makes sure that you really hear it in the chorus, when an extra kick might be needed. So he'll bring the levels for it up in the chorus. The mastering engineer receives what is essentially the final product. When songs are recorded, typically they have not been sequenced as one full album (that is with fade-ins and out's between each song is added). They're usually not recorded at the same level either. Songs whose volumes shift drastically from one song to the next. You don't mind some change, but you want it to sound like an album, so you want the lowest low in volume, and the highest high, to match from song to song. You also want to make sure that the album plays well, no matter the device or platform, whether CD, mp3, vinyl, and radio. All those platforms can shift balance of a song, bringing out unintended noises and sounds. In the end, the mastering engineer's job is to make sure that the final album has consistency and balance. The more advance the album is in the process, the less there are whole sale changes. In the recording process with the producer, anything is possible. When it gets to mixing, recording mostly stops. The only recording that might happen is if in the mixing there appears to be a mistake in the recording (such as an off tempo or sour note), because sometimes mistakes get hidden by other instruments. In that case, that instrument will be re-recorded. But that's the extent of the recording. 99.9% of the time you're not adding a completely new instrument track while mixing. Like if there wasn't a piano on the original track, you can't decide while mixing that you want a piano on there now (you could, but you can't), you'd have to re-do the mix for the song. You work with and sometimes edit and re-do what is already present in the track. When mastering happens, all changes cease. The mastering engineer isn't doing recording sessions nor is the mastering engineer re-doing the mix. Those things are set in stone by the time it get to him/her. There are extremely rare occasions where the mastering engineer will notice something that was missed, and it will be sent back for mixing, but in today's studios, that's incredibly rare. Most of the time, if it gets to a mastering stage, it's a 99.9% chance that it'll be released. Lastly, each step takes less and less time. Recording can be months or years. Mixing can be weeks or months, and mastering is usually days or weeks. And some times, depending on the artist, the artist will have less and less of a role. The artist is 100% contributing to recording. Artist participation in mixing can fluctuate from 0-100%. Some artists don't handle nor care about the mixing, some really do. But most of the time, the mixing engineer will do the first mix themselves, without the artist. If the artist wants to participate, then they'll come in for next couple rounds, for input. Mastering rarely has artist participation, which is surprising that Noel would care But maybe he just wanted to be there to go through the possible treatments himself and decide, which can save time rather than having a back and forth). The mastering engineer will typically work alone. They'll listen to the album, ask the artist what they're looking for dynamically, and pick 3-4 mastering treatments that fulfill what the artist wants. They'll then send artist samples of each song using each treatment, and let the artist decide which one they like more. Once a decision is given, then the mastering engineer will master the entire album using that treatment, then send it to the artist for final approval. If the artist doesn't like it, then it gets re-mastered. Who decides on the fade outs? Is that done during mixing or beforehand? Damn cop outs, the lot of them.
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Post by bt95 on Apr 21, 2017 7:06:17 GMT -5
Feb/March 2018.
As somebody has said, it's just the most feasible time.
The record hasn't been a process in that NG has been in the studio for say two months working on it. It's been continuously stopping and starting for about 2 years.
I imagine it'll be finished this summer, with a new single pre (or just after) Christmas ala Chasing Yesterday.
As somebody also said above, touring wise Mar-May/Sept-Oct are the best times to release an album.
March release (NG with Chasing Yesterday) you get the chance to have a tour of the UK, Europe and the US before launching into the festival season.
An April/May release (Catfish 2016, Kasabian 2017), you get the chance for warm-ups and then into the festival season before kick-starting arena gigs in the autumn.
A September release (AM 2013, probably LG this year), gets you on the festival circuit before being able to kick-start a major tour (obviously, depending on scale).
An October/November release means you're straight into a tour (NG 2011, though that example has to be caveated by the fact that the mini-tour pre Xmas was used to assess popularity before he launched the major tour in 2012).
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Post by bt95 on Apr 21, 2017 7:10:57 GMT -5
I really wonder if Noel will play his new single at the Joshua Tree tour. Doubtful. There's no guarantee loads of U2 fans filling 80,000-seater stadiums will be into NG's stuff enough to not have it go flat with an unheard song. He'll play 10-12 songs, and it'll be the usual Oasis classics plus the most popular of his own I'd imagine. Maybe a throwaway tune thrown in there too. I'd wager 1. Everybody's On The Run 2. Heat of the Moment 3. Lock All The Doors 4. If I Had A Gun... 5. You Know We Can't Go Back 6. Champagne Supernova 7. Half The World Away 8. Digsy's Dinner 9. AKA... What A Life! 10. The Masterplan 11. DLBIA I'd love to be wrong and for him to play a load of rarities, but can't see it.
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Post by mossy on Apr 21, 2017 7:27:00 GMT -5
The basic answer comes down to the changes that can be made. The producer mostly deals in a blank state. He/she work with the artist on a number of demos and begin to record actual version. They're actually within the recording process, and can sometimes contribute compositions. The producer's job, is when finished, to have fully realized the artist's vision in recorded form. The mixing engineer then receives what producer and artist have thought up (sometimes the producer will also act as the mixing engineer, sometimes someone separately will be hired). When you record, some instruments are naturally louder or softer, take up more head room or less. The mixing engineer's job is to make everything in the recording have clarity, and to make sure that certain sections resonate well. Like, you may have piano playing throughout the entire song, but the mixing engineer makes sure that you really hear it in the chorus, when an extra kick might be needed. So he'll bring the levels for it up in the chorus. The mastering engineer receives what is essentially the final product. When songs are recorded, typically they have not been sequenced as one full album (that is with fade-ins and out's between each song is added). They're usually not recorded at the same level either. Songs whose volumes shift drastically from one song to the next. You don't mind some change, but you want it to sound like an album, so you want the lowest low in volume, and the highest high, to match from song to song. You also want to make sure that the album plays well, no matter the device or platform, whether CD, mp3, vinyl, and radio. All those platforms can shift balance of a song, bringing out unintended noises and sounds. In the end, the mastering engineer's job is to make sure that the final album has consistency and balance. The more advance the album is in the process, the less there are whole sale changes. In the recording process with the producer, anything is possible. When it gets to mixing, recording mostly stops. The only recording that might happen is if in the mixing there appears to be a mistake in the recording (such as an off tempo or sour note), because sometimes mistakes get hidden by other instruments. In that case, that instrument will be re-recorded. But that's the extent of the recording. 99.9% of the time you're not adding a completely new instrument track while mixing. Like if there wasn't a piano on the original track, you can't decide while mixing that you want a piano on there now (you could, but you can't), you'd have to re-do the mix for the song. You work with and sometimes edit and re-do what is already present in the track. When mastering happens, all changes cease. The mastering engineer isn't doing recording sessions nor is the mastering engineer re-doing the mix. Those things are set in stone by the time it get to him/her. There are extremely rare occasions where the mastering engineer will notice something that was missed, and it will be sent back for mixing, but in today's studios, that's incredibly rare. Most of the time, if it gets to a mastering stage, it's a 99.9% chance that it'll be released. Lastly, each step takes less and less time. Recording can be months or years. Mixing can be weeks or months, and mastering is usually days or weeks. And some times, depending on the artist, the artist will have less and less of a role. The artist is 100% contributing to recording. Artist participation in mixing can fluctuate from 0-100%. Some artists don't handle nor care about the mixing, some really do. But most of the time, the mixing engineer will do the first mix themselves, without the artist. If the artist wants to participate, then they'll come in for next couple rounds, for input. Mastering rarely has artist participation, which is surprising that Noel would care But maybe he just wanted to be there to go through the possible treatments himself and decide, which can save time rather than having a back and forth). The mastering engineer will typically work alone. They'll listen to the album, ask the artist what they're looking for dynamically, and pick 3-4 mastering treatments that fulfill what the artist wants. They'll then send artist samples of each song using each treatment, and let the artist decide which one they like more. Once a decision is given, then the mastering engineer will master the entire album using that treatment, then send it to the artist for final approval. If the artist doesn't like it, then it gets re-mastered. Who decides on the fade outs? Is that done during mixing or beforehand? Damn cop outs, the lot of them. The worst is on old sixties records where you know the band are tripping out and jamming for hours but the song gets faded out after 2 mins...
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Post by hairy114 on Apr 21, 2017 13:54:02 GMT -5
I really wonder if Noel will play his new single at the Joshua Tree tour. Doubtful. There's no guarantee loads of U2 fans filling 80,000-seater stadiums will be into NG's stuff enough to not have it go flat with an unheard song. He'll play 10-12 songs, and it'll be the usual Oasis classics plus the most popular of his own I'd imagine. Maybe a throwaway tune thrown in there too. I'd wager 1. Everybody's On The Run 2. Heat of the Moment 3. Lock All The Doors 4. If I Had A Gun... 5. You Know We Can't Go Back 6. Champagne Supernova 7. Half The World Away 8. Digsy's Dinner 9. AKA... What A Life! 10. The Masterplan 11. DLBIA I'd love to be wrong and for him to play a load of rarities, but can't see it. Too many HFB tracks Everybody's on the Run, If I Had a Gun and What a Life. Rest will be Oasis Classics. No chance of anything new.
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Post by matt on Apr 21, 2017 14:07:32 GMT -5
I'll guess 5 HFB tunes and 5 Oasis tunes. He didn't play any Chasing Yesterday songs at the Teenage Cancer Trust did he? I didn't bother going to any of his Chasing Yesterday gigs, but hearing them live, I get the impression they didn't work quite as well as ones from his debut album?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 21, 2017 14:49:14 GMT -5
I'll guess 5 HFB tunes and 5 Oasis tunes. He didn't play any Chasing Yesterday songs at the Teenage Cancer Trust did he? I didn't bother going to any of his Chasing Yesterday gigs, but hearing them live, I get the impression they didn't work quite as well as ones from his debut album? Sounded fine both times I went to see him. Especially In The Heat Of The Moment and The Mexican, perhaps the two lesser songs on CY, worked very well. The Dying Of The Light was a bit of a snoozefest and Riverman was a bit of a downer though.
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Post by matt on Apr 21, 2017 18:45:33 GMT -5
I'll guess 5 HFB tunes and 5 Oasis tunes. He didn't play any Chasing Yesterday songs at the Teenage Cancer Trust did he? I didn't bother going to any of his Chasing Yesterday gigs, but hearing them live, I get the impression they didn't work quite as well as ones from his debut album? Sounded fine both times I went to see him. Especially In The Heat Of The Moment and The Mexican, perhaps the two lesser songs on CY, worked very well. The Dying Of The Light was a bit of a snoozefest and Riverman was a bit of a downer though. That's cool - I just remember a few reactions to some of the live performances on here so was wondering what the general thoughts on it were.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Apr 22, 2017 12:46:48 GMT -5
I'll guess 5 HFB tunes and 5 Oasis tunes. He didn't play any Chasing Yesterday songs at the Teenage Cancer Trust did he? I didn't bother going to any of his Chasing Yesterday gigs, but hearing them live, I get the impression they didn't work quite as well as ones from his debut album? Sounded fine both times I went to see him. Especially In The Heat Of The Moment and The Mexican, perhaps the two lesser songs on CY, worked very well. The Dying Of The Light was a bit of a snoozefest and Riverman was a bit of a downer though. I thought Lock All The Doors and You Know We Can't Go Back were good live as well.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 22, 2017 12:55:18 GMT -5
I'll guess 5 HFB tunes and 5 Oasis tunes. He didn't play any Chasing Yesterday songs at the Teenage Cancer Trust did he? I didn't bother going to any of his Chasing Yesterday gigs, but hearing them live, I get the impression they didn't work quite as well as ones from his debut album? Sounded fine both times I went to see him. Especially In The Heat Of The Moment and The Mexican, perhaps the two lesser songs on CY, worked very well. The Dying Of The Light was a bit of a snoozefest and Riverman was a bit of a downer though. In my humble opinion........................If I Had A Gun and Dying of The Light were both very boring live. I much preferred While The Song Remains The Same, Stranded On The Wrong Beach or The Mexican. Yes the fucking Mexican because it kicks ass live.
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Post by yellowd00d on Apr 22, 2017 13:12:54 GMT -5
Does anyone know why wikipedia lists the title of this new record as Mosaic Arena? The source backing it up just leads to his mobile facebook page
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Post by Derrick on Apr 22, 2017 13:22:17 GMT -5
Does anyone know why wikipedia lists the title of this new record as Mosaic Arena? The source backing it up just leads to his mobile facebook page No idea, first time I hear about this title but within 24hrs the NME will write an article about such an exciting unverified information!
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Post by carlober on Apr 22, 2017 13:23:51 GMT -5
Does anyone know why wikipedia lists the title of this new record as Mosaic Arena? The source backing it up just leads to his mobile facebook page It's clearly fake. Trolls on wikipedia are a major pain in the ass. It's now fixed, by the way.
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