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Post by carlober on Apr 14, 2017 2:51:12 GMT -5
Chasing Yesterday was mastered by Greg Calbi at Sterling Sound in New York, on the week before the World Cup final in July if I remember correctly. Roughly three months before we heard the first single, ITHOTM.
So we could have a single and the album announcement in three months, which is exactly when the U2 support tour starts. Single in July, album out in October.
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Post by ariananana on Apr 14, 2017 3:58:44 GMT -5
Noel's in New York! Check out @saspg's Instagram! I'm off today... maybe I should go be a creep at his hotel if he's still around. He likes either The Bowery or The Ludlow. đŸ‘€
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Post by matt on Apr 14, 2017 7:32:08 GMT -5
So, aside from mixing, safe to say albums finished?
Or he might just be on holiday.
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Post by bestwick8 on Apr 14, 2017 9:48:19 GMT -5
Noel's in New York! Check out @saspg's Instagram! Can you post the picture ?! Her gram is locked out.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 14, 2017 10:13:07 GMT -5
Someone else reposted the picture of Noel with Jerry Seinfeld that Sara apparently posted, which I think is a bit rude. You don't set your profile on private for nothing.
On the other hand she could easily delete some of her followers.
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Post by hasseg on Apr 14, 2017 10:13:29 GMT -5
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Post by hasseg on Apr 14, 2017 10:14:56 GMT -5
Rumour has it Noel will be mixing album no.3 in New York next week! Spot on. Nice one!
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Post by Doc Lobster on Apr 14, 2017 11:05:08 GMT -5
If Noel is indeed mastering the album now, that surprises me a little bit, considering the Glastonbury deadline. I assumed he would be finishing the album in mid-May and then set aside another month for videos and artwork. On the other hand, he did mention having finished Chasing Yesterday "early" and then having to wait for months.
The rumour posted above claimed Noel would be "mixing" the album in New York. Has he done anything like that before? Wouldn't he mix the record with David Holmes?
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Post by matt on Apr 14, 2017 11:57:25 GMT -5
If Noel is indeed mastering the album now, that surprises me a little bit, considering the Glastonbury deadline. I assumed he would be finishing the album in mid-May and then set aside another month for videos and artwork. On the other hand, he did mention having finished Chasing Yesterday "early" and then having to wait for months. The rumour posted above claimed Noel would be "mixing" the album in New York. Has he done anything like that before? Wouldn't he mix the record with David Holmes? Yeah, you'd think Holmes would mix it himself considering his pedigree. Unless he's sucking out all the Holmes influence on it in favour of 'rawk plod'......
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Post by Doc Lobster on Apr 14, 2017 12:56:23 GMT -5
If Noel is indeed mastering the album now, that surprises me a little bit, considering the Glastonbury deadline. I assumed he would be finishing the album in mid-May and then set aside another month for videos and artwork. On the other hand, he did mention having finished Chasing Yesterday "early" and then having to wait for months. The rumour posted above claimed Noel would be "mixing" the album in New York. Has he done anything like that before? Wouldn't he mix the record with David Holmes? Yeah, you'd think Holmes would mix it himself considering his pedigree. Unless he's sucking out all the Holmes influence on it in favour of 'rawk plod'...... Nah, I don't think that's the case. Either someone got it wrong along the way and got "mixing" and "mastering" mixed up, or someone heard that Noel is going to New York for Easter and decided to troll again. In any case, it's safe to assume the album will be released in the autumn, so it doesn't matter much.
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Post by spaneli on Apr 14, 2017 13:04:42 GMT -5
If Noel is indeed mastering the album now, that surprises me a little bit, considering the Glastonbury deadline. I assumed he would be finishing the album in mid-May and then set aside another month for videos and artwork. On the other hand, he did mention having finished Chasing Yesterday "early" and then having to wait for months. The rumour posted above claimed Noel would be "mixing" the album in New York. Has he done anything like that before? Wouldn't he mix the record with David Holmes? Yeah, you'd think Holmes would mix it himself considering his pedigree. Unless he's sucking out all the Holmes influence on it in favour of 'rawk plod'...... Even if David Holmes wasn't mixing, that's not what someone does in mixing. Like, it's not going to go from an album uptempo numbers to stuff that plods along. The mixing engineer isn't slowing down the bpm or anything. Some of the fanciful layers could become obscure in the mix, but that's really about it. The deeper an album goes in the process, the less the next person can do with it. By the time it gets to mastering, the mastering engineer doesn't touch a single thing with any of the tracks. But if David Holmes weren't mixing, it could likely come down to the fact that he's busy and has already committed a lot of time to Noel's project.
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Post by spaneli on Apr 14, 2017 13:11:19 GMT -5
Yeah, you'd think Holmes would mix it himself considering his pedigree. Unless he's sucking out all the Holmes influence on it in favour of 'rawk plod'...... Nah, I don't think that's the case. Either someone got it wrong along the way and got "mixing" and "mastering" mixed up, or someone heard that Noel is going to New York for Easter and decided to troll again. In any case, it's safe to assume the album will be released in the autumn, so it doesn't matter much. I don't think he's mastering. Noel wouldn't need to be there for any mastering. Mastering gets sent away and then the artist just waits for the initial treatments so they can give approval to proceed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 14:09:50 GMT -5
Somebody explain me what the difference is between producing, mixing and mastering.
Thanks in advance!
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Post by carlober on Apr 14, 2017 14:09:50 GMT -5
Nah, I don't think that's the case. Either someone got it wrong along the way and got "mixing" and "mastering" mixed up, or someone heard that Noel is going to New York for Easter and decided to troll again. In any case, it's safe to assume the album will be released in the autumn, so it doesn't matter much. I don't think he's mastering. Noel wouldn't need to be there for any mastering. Mastering gets sent away and then the artist just waits for the initial treatments so they can give approval to proceed. I don't know. Noel was definitely there when CY was being mastered. I remember some pictures of him and the mastering engineer (Greg Calbi) watching football on TV.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 14, 2017 14:16:22 GMT -5
Somebody explain me what the difference is between producing, mixing and mastering. Thanks in advance! I second this. I know what producing is, but I've never really known anything about mixing and mastering.
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Post by spaneli on Apr 14, 2017 16:15:52 GMT -5
Somebody explain me what the difference is between producing, mixing and mastering. Thanks in advance! I second this. I know what producing is, but I've never really known anything about mixing and mastering. The basic answer comes down to the changes that can be made. The producer mostly deals in a blank state. He/she work with the artist on a number of demos and begin to record actual version. They're actually within the recording process, and can sometimes contribute compositions. The producer's job, is when finished, to have fully realized the artist's vision in recorded form. The mixing engineer then receives what producer and artist have thought up (sometimes the producer will also act as the mixing engineer, sometimes someone separately will be hired). When you record, some instruments are naturally louder or softer, take up more head room or less. The mixing engineer's job is to make everything in the recording have clarity, and to make sure that certain sections resonate well. Like, you may have piano playing throughout the entire song, but the mixing engineer makes sure that you really hear it in the chorus, when an extra kick might be needed. So he'll bring the levels for it up in the chorus. The mastering engineer receives what is essentially the final product. When songs are recorded, typically they have not been sequenced as one full album (that is with fade-ins and out's between each song is added). They're usually not recorded at the same level either. Songs whose volumes shift drastically from one song to the next. You don't mind some change, but you want it to sound like an album, so you want the lowest low in volume, and the highest high, to match from song to song. You also want to make sure that the album plays well, no matter the device or platform, whether CD, mp3, vinyl, and radio. All those platforms can shift balance of a song, bringing out unintended noises and sounds. In the end, the mastering engineer's job is to make sure that the final album has consistency and balance. The more advance the album is in the process, the less there are whole sale changes. In the recording process with the producer, anything is possible. When it gets to mixing, recording mostly stops. The only recording that might happen is if in the mixing there appears to be a mistake in the recording (such as an off tempo or sour note), because sometimes mistakes get hidden by other instruments. In that case, that instrument will be re-recorded. But that's the extent of the recording. 99.9% of the time you're not adding a completely new instrument track while mixing. Like if there wasn't a piano on the original track, you can't decide while mixing that you want a piano on there now (you could, but you can't), you'd have to re-do the mix for the song. You work with and sometimes edit and re-do what is already present in the track. When mastering happens, all changes cease. The mastering engineer isn't doing recording sessions nor is the mastering engineer re-doing the mix. Those things are set in stone by the time it get to him/her. There are extremely rare occasions where the mastering engineer will notice something that was missed, and it will be sent back for mixing, but in today's studios, that's incredibly rare. Most of the time, if it gets to a mastering stage, it's a 99.9% chance that it'll be released. Lastly, each step takes less and less time. Recording can be months or years. Mixing can be weeks or months, and mastering is usually days or weeks. And some times, depending on the artist, the artist will have less and less of a role. The artist is 100% contributing to recording. Artist participation in mixing can fluctuate from 0-100%. Some artists don't handle nor care about the mixing, some really do. But most of the time, the mixing engineer will do the first mix themselves, without the artist. If the artist wants to participate, then they'll come in for next couple rounds, for input. Mastering rarely has artist participation, which is surprising that Noel would care But maybe he just wanted to be there to go through the possible treatments himself and decide, which can save time rather than having a back and forth). The mastering engineer will typically work alone. They'll listen to the album, ask the artist what they're looking for dynamically, and pick 3-4 mastering treatments that fulfill what the artist wants. They'll then send artist samples of each song using each treatment, and let the artist decide which one they like more. Once a decision is given, then the mastering engineer will master the entire album using that treatment, then send it to the artist for final approval. If the artist doesn't like it, then it gets re-mastered.
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Post by matt on Apr 14, 2017 16:58:35 GMT -5
Yeah, you'd think Holmes would mix it himself considering his pedigree. Unless he's sucking out all the Holmes influence on it in favour of 'rawk plod'...... Even if David Holmes wasn't mixing, that's not what someone does in mixing. Like, it's not going to go from an album uptempo numbers to stuff that plods along. The mixing engineer isn't slowing down the bpm or anything. Some of the fanciful layers could become obscure in the mix, but that's really about it. The deeper an album goes in the process, the less the next person can do with it. By the time it gets to mastering, the mastering engineer doesn't touch a single thing with any of the tracks. But if David Holmes weren't mixing, it could likely come down to the fact that he's busy and has already committed a lot of time to Noel's project.That's fair enough - they have, after all, been working on this album for nearly four years. The length that it has taken to make, and the recording and writing process, makes me fascinated as to what the results will be. It's a complete antithesis to the way Noel has recorded with Oasis and his solo albums.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 14, 2017 17:37:12 GMT -5
Even if David Holmes wasn't mixing, that's not what someone does in mixing. Like, it's not going to go from an album uptempo numbers to stuff that plods along. The mixing engineer isn't slowing down the bpm or anything. Some of the fanciful layers could become obscure in the mix, but that's really about it. The deeper an album goes in the process, the less the next person can do with it. By the time it gets to mastering, the mastering engineer doesn't touch a single thing with any of the tracks. But if David Holmes weren't mixing, it could likely come down to the fact that he's busy and has already committed a lot of time to Noel's project.That's fair enough - they have, after all, been working on this album for nearly four years. The length that it has taken to make, and the recording and writing process, makes me fascinated as to what the results will be. It's a complete antithesis to the way Noel has recorded with Oasis and his solo albums. I'm not going to lie. My expectations are pretty high.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 15, 2017 2:26:08 GMT -5
Nah, I don't think that's the case. Either someone got it wrong along the way and got "mixing" and "mastering" mixed up, or someone heard that Noel is going to New York for Easter and decided to troll again. In any case, it's safe to assume the album will be released in the autumn, so it doesn't matter much. I don't think he's mastering. Noel wouldn't need to be there for any mastering. Mastering gets sent away and then the artist just waits for the initial treatments so they can give approval to proceed. Well he was there last time
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Post by andymorris on Apr 19, 2017 3:29:49 GMT -5
Whatever stage he's at, it's not coming out until Liam Gallagher has, at least, finished touring. No way it's coming out in the autumn.
So 2018 at the earliest.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Apr 19, 2017 5:34:05 GMT -5
Whatever stage he's at, it's not coming out until Liam Gallagher has, at least, finished touring. No way it's coming out in the autumn. So 2018 at the earliest.
Then why would his label give him an "ultimatum" that the album needs to be finished by June? Surely the release is planned for autumn.
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Post by andymorris on Apr 19, 2017 5:54:23 GMT -5
Whatever stage he's at, it's not coming out until Liam Gallagher has, at least, finished touring. No way it's coming out in the autumn. So 2018 at the earliest.
Then why would his label give him an "ultimatum" that the album needs to be finished by June? Surely the release is planned for autumn.
An album finished by June means a release in the spring the next year, not 3 months later. Finished means it's in the hands of marketing, that will work on god knows what for the next 6 to 9 months.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Apr 19, 2017 5:59:53 GMT -5
Then why would his label give him an "ultimatum" that the album needs to be finished by June? Surely the release is planned for autumn.
An album finished by June means a release in the spring the next year, not 3 months later. Finished means it's in the hands of marketing, that will work on god knows what for the next 6 to 9 months.
Chasing Yesterday was mastered around the time of the World Cup final in 2014 (July, if I'm not mistaken), and Noel referred to having finished the album "early", hence the long wait. That would suggest that the release had been planned for March 2015 and he could have delivered the album weeks or even months after he did.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 19, 2017 8:14:32 GMT -5
at this rate, 2019.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 8:15:34 GMT -5
An album finished by June means a release in the spring the next year, not 3 months later. Finished means it's in the hands of marketing, that will work on god knows what for the next 6 to 9 months.
Chasing Yesterday was mastered around the time of the World Cup final in 2014 (July, if I'm not mistaken), and Noel referred to having finished the album "early", hence the long wait. That would suggest that the release had been planned for March 2015 and he could have delivered the album weeks or even months after he did.
Noel finished the last song (In the Heat of the Moment) the day after the World Cup final. They couldn't release it in Ocotber because the MG reissue was still selling copies. And for some reason Noel only can release an album in October or March.
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