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Post by mossy on Feb 12, 2017 8:30:49 GMT -5
Was looking back on an older interview with David Holmes and found this nugget, don't know if it's been mentioned, "Noel's straightforward, he normally just reacts - he either goes 'yeah, that's great' or 'no, that's not for me', or to be perfectly blunt 'no that's fookin' shite'. It's been really good, Keefus has been playing on it - it's been a fun experience. He's super talented and a joy to work with." Looked up what he meant by Keefus and found this guy: Keefus Ciancia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keefus_CianciaLooks like he's mostly a composer, has worked with the phenomenal T. Bone Burnett, and is a keyboardist. Have not seen this before! Good find, thanks for posting! I mentioned this back in May but was largely ignored *sniff* live4ever.proboards.com/thread/84608/david-holmes-producing-noels-record?q=Keefus |
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Post by matt on Feb 12, 2017 14:34:38 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 12, 2017 15:13:08 GMT -5
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Post by guigsysEstring on Feb 12, 2017 17:02:34 GMT -5
I think Andy was a huge Oasis fan which clouded the stuff he was writing for the band. He was a very good bassist and Gem a perfect fit, it's just that in hindsight the band would have been better off it stayed as Liam singing Noel's songs. Agree with this. The last two Ride albums also showcased Andy's "new" retro-rock songwriting style that carried over into his Hurricane/Oasis work. I feel the change highlighted his weaknesses (not great at lyrics etc) and downplayed his strengths (such as ballsy guitar playing). I agree, although I think in Andy's defence Ride were beginning to fall apart by 'Carnival of Light' and the duel releases of 'Definitely Maybe' and 'Parklife' made him see that the writing was on the wall for the shoegazing sound he had been so instrumental in taking forward. 'Tarantula' should never have been released being a) A sorry attempt to emulate the early Oasis sound and b) Mark Gardener departing on the eve of it's release effectively had already ended the band. Andy could have ideally done with inspiration at that point to reconnect him with the sounds that made him so good in his early days, but what he got instead was Alan McGee telling him he was a powerhouse guitarist in the Jimmy Page mould and to build a seventies style rock band around him. In some ways Oasis was a positive thing for him as I think he could very well have stayed retired from music as he had done when he got the call from the band, although arguably a Ride reunion or working with ex-members on similar material, etc. could have happened earlier instead. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 12, 2017 20:04:10 GMT -5
Overall, Andy was kinda a let down in the song writing department for Oasis. Granted he should have never been allowed to writer period.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 12, 2017 20:09:14 GMT -5
Overall, Andy was kinda a let down in the song writing department for Oasis. Granted he should have never been allowed to writer period. Maybe, but it was clear that Noel was artistically, and probably emotionally, fragile. He lacked creative drive and confidence. Plus, I mean, if you're going to hand off songwriting duties, why not to the guy who made one of the most memorable shoegazing albums of all-time? Not really rocket science. Most would have fairly confident about that guy writing songs |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Feb 12, 2017 20:20:24 GMT -5
Overall, Andy was kinda a let down in the song writing department for Oasis. Granted he should have never been allowed to writer period. Maybe, but it was clear that Noel was artistically, and probably emotionally, fragile. He lacked creative drive and confidence. Plus, I mean, if you're going to hand off songwriting duties, why not to the guy who made one of the most memorable shoegazing albums of all-time? Not really rocket science. Most would have fairly confident about that guy writing songs Tempered somewhat by the last Ride and Hurricane #1 albums between then and Oasis, surely? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 12, 2017 21:15:48 GMT -5
Overall, Andy was kinda a let down in the song writing department for Oasis. Granted he should have never been allowed to writer period. Maybe, but it was clear that Noel was artistically, and probably emotionally, fragile. He lacked creative drive and confidence. Plus, I mean, if you're going to hand off songwriting duties, why not to the guy who made one of the most memorable shoegazing albums of all-time? Not really rocket science. Most would have fairly confident about that guy writing songs And that is exactly why I consider Andy's song contributions a let down. He had promise but mostly just wrote Oasis cover songs. Lame. We have Liam for that. Andy was on a losing streak long before joining Oasis. He is like Smokey from Big Lebowski. He's fragile. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 12, 2017 22:08:08 GMT -5
Maybe, but it was clear that Noel was artistically, and probably emotionally, fragile. He lacked creative drive and confidence. Plus, I mean, if you're going to hand off songwriting duties, why not to the guy who made one of the most memorable shoegazing albums of all-time? Not really rocket science. Most would have fairly confident about that guy writing songs And that is exactly why I consider Andy's song contributions a let down. He had promise but mostly just wrote Oasis cover songs. Lame. We have Liam for that. Andy was on a losing streak long before joining Oasis. He is like Smokey from Big Lebowski. He's fragile. So was Noel, so they were about even |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 12, 2017 23:02:01 GMT -5
And that is exactly why I consider Andy's song contributions a let down. He had promise but mostly just wrote Oasis cover songs. Lame. We have Liam for that. Andy was on a losing streak long before joining Oasis. He is like Smokey from Big Lebowski. He's fragile. So was Noel, so they were about even The difference is one guy is Andy Bell, the other Noel Gallagher. A total legend. |
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Post by shoreline on Feb 13, 2017 4:41:09 GMT -5
Overall, Andy was kinda a let down in the song writing department for Oasis. Granted he should have never been allowed to writer period. Turn Up The Sun is brilliant though |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 13, 2017 9:28:42 GMT -5
Overall, Andy was kinda a let down in the song writing department for Oasis. Granted he should have never been allowed to writer period. Turn Up The Sun is brilliant though Yes but Keep The Dream Alive and The Nature of Reality are train wrecks. Also, Thank You For The Good Times sounds like my high school band doing Oasis meets the Stones. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Feb 13, 2017 10:56:32 GMT -5
I like Thank You For The Good Times. It just needed better vocals and a minute or so shaved off the song.
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Post by matt on Feb 13, 2017 12:56:00 GMT -5
Turn Up The Sun is brilliant though Yes but Keep The Dream Alive and The Nature of Reality are train wrecks. Also, Thank You For The Good Times sounds like my high school band doing Oasis meets the Stones. I've heard it compared to Some Might Say, but realistically its close to your analogy in that it sounds like a high school band trying to write their own version. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 13, 2017 13:14:55 GMT -5
I like Thank You For The Good Times. It just needed better vocals and a minute or so shaved off the song. It sounds like two cover songs in one. A sad attempt at "Some Might Say" part 2 and "Let It Bleed" by The Rolling Stones. Noel was right to have it sit on the bench. Granted some of the material that made Heathen Chemistry really makes me scratch my head.  |
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Post by willc on Feb 13, 2017 13:27:59 GMT -5
If Thank You For The Good Times was on Heathen Chemistry, it would probably be about the fifth best track on there.
Unsure if that's a compliment toward the track or an insult to Heathen Chemistry, Probably a bit of both lol.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 13, 2017 14:14:19 GMT -5
Turn Up The Sun is brilliant though Also, Thank You For The Good Times sounds like my high school band doing Oasis meets the Stones. I wish it actually WOULD sound like that. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 13, 2017 14:19:07 GMT -5
Also, Thank You For The Good Times sounds like my high school band doing Oasis meets the Stones. I wish it actually WOULD sound like that. Loads of feedback and shitty vocal mic. Shades of Fade Away.  |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Feb 13, 2017 14:19:52 GMT -5
I like Thank You For The Good Times. It just needed better vocals and a minute or so shaved off the song. It sounds like two cover songs in one. A sad attempt at "Some Might Say" part 2 and "Let It Bleed" by The Rolling Stones. Noel was right to have it sit on the bench. Granted some of the material that made Heathen Chemistry really makes me scratch my head. Maybe I just like it because it's pretty much a direct lift of Bowie's Heroes. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 13, 2017 14:21:37 GMT -5
It sounds like two cover songs in one. A sad attempt at "Some Might Say" part 2 and "Let It Bleed" by The Rolling Stones. Noel was right to have it sit on the bench. Granted some of the material that made Heathen Chemistry really makes me scratch my head. Maybe I just like it because it's pretty much a direct lift of Bowie's Heroes. Heroes? I don't get that vibe at all. Listen to "Let It Bleed". Its like a carbon copy of that Stones song. There are even Andy quotes about it how he unintentionally ripped off "Let It Bleed" which sounds nothing like Bowie's heroes. |
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Post by glider on Feb 13, 2017 14:25:01 GMT -5
If Oasis went ahead with the psychedelic-electronic rock focus in the 2000s, Andy would've suited the band better. He is clearly not fit to write conventional rock songs.
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 15, 2017 7:46:07 GMT -5
With about three exceptions, no songs in Oasis' discography should have been written by anyone other than Noel Gallagher.
Thanks. |
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Post by carlober on Feb 15, 2017 8:32:51 GMT -5
With about three exceptions, no songs in Oasis' discography should have been written by anyone other than Noel Gallagher.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 8:51:57 GMT -5
With about three exceptions, no songs in Oasis' discography should have been written by anyone other than Noel Gallagher.
Thanks. true, as Ive said before if Noel REALLY wanted to save oasis, he wouldve taken the reigns and took it back to its roots, he wouldve only had to come up with 10-11 tracks, let LAG write the B sides, their songs wouldve been pretty good B sides. he had to do that in HFB plus B sides as well anyhow with fairly good results so its not like he wasnt capable. think Noel almost wanted DOYS tank somewhere inside of him because then he could think "well its over, nothing more we can do", instead of having to walk away from something people wanted more of. It worked out pretty cushty for him in the end, he got to leave oasis on low note plus he got to pin the blame on the rest of the band for essentially forcing him to go and because of that the general public didnt give him shit for walking away. |
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Post by Manualex on Feb 15, 2017 10:12:49 GMT -5
With about three exceptions, no songs in Oasis' discography should have been written by anyone other than Noel Gallagher.
Thanks. Songbird, Im ourta time and what else? |
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