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Post by spaneli on Feb 15, 2017 10:25:15 GMT -5
With about three exceptions, no songs in Oasis' discography should have been written by anyone other than Noel Gallagher.
Thanks. Songbird, Im ourta time and what else? Turn up Sun or Soldier On. |
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Post by Manualex on Feb 15, 2017 11:43:59 GMT -5
Songbird, Im ourta time and what else? Turn up Sun or Soldier On. I was thinking of an expresso. But I guess either one is fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 19:24:14 GMT -5
Why did Noel put Little James on Giants? I can't imagine that Liam forced Noel to do that but I think Giants and Dig Out Your Soul are good albums.
Heathen Chemistry -> (Probably) All in the Mind (or Force of Nature), worst track, written by Noel. You can't really rate A Quick Peep and I think Hung in a Bad Place doesn't make the album worse.
Don't Believe the Truth -> The Meaning of Soul and Mucky Fingers shouldn't have been on the album, but the songwriting isn't the problem here. If Love Like a Bomb, Keep the Dream Alive and Let There Be Love were good produced this album would have been definitely the best 00's Oasis album.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Feb 15, 2017 20:12:25 GMT -5
Why did Noel put Little James on Giants? I can't imagine that Liam forced Noel to do that but I think Giants and Dig Out Your Soul are good albums. Heathen Chemistry -> (Probably) All in the Mind (or Force of Nature), worst track, written by Noel. You can't really rate A Quick Peep and I think Hung in a Bad Place doesn't make the album worse. Don't Believe the Truth -> The Meaning of Soul and Mucky Fingers shouldn't have been on the album, but the songwriting isn't the problem here. If Love Like a Bomb, Keep the Dream Alive and Let There Be Love were good produced this album would have been definitely the best 00's Oasis album. Essentially to encourage Liam to develop as a songwriter for personal and professional reasons, with the following quotes taken from the SOTSOG and HC eras which show Noel professing a liking for Liam's songs as well as encouraging him. I can't find a particular quote I remember but it's from around that era but it was Noel saying something along the lines of he wasn't very keen on Little James, but if he had rejected it then Liam might not have written another song and he thought it better he be a songwriter than an alcoholic, or words to that effect. |
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Post by Jim G. on Feb 16, 2017 6:56:44 GMT -5
I reckon it must've been really exciting back in 2002 with new tracks from Liam like Songbird and Born on a Different Cloud, plus Noel's praise for his songwriting. This forum must have gone crazy with it - which makes me think about how we should analyze the excitement everyone gets upon new releases, considering how HC is panned over here today.
Anyway, back in 2002, Liam showed a lot of potential as a songwriter. Then came DBTT and three subpar tracks and the excitement was gone. I still feel Liam has something in him, his songs have an identity of their own, so I agree with Noel and still think it will be curious to
listen to Liam's solo.
Sorry, just realised this has become a Liam post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 16:15:37 GMT -5
I reckon it must've been really exciting back in 2002 with new tracks from Liam like Songbird and Born on a Different Cloud, plus Noel's praise for his songwriting. This forum must have gone crazy with it - which makes me think about how we should analyze the excitement everyone gets upon new releases, considering how HC is panned over here today. Anyway, back in 2002, Liam showed a lot of potential as a songwriter. Then came DBTT and three subpar tracks and the excitement was gone. I still feel Liam has something in him, his songs have an identity of their own, so I agree with Noel and still think it will be curious to listen to Liam's solo. Sorry, just realised this has become a Liam post. I always kind of liked Guess God Thinks I'm Abel. Simple and spare. I'm probably overrating it a bit, probably because of how much I hate most of the other LAG tracks on that album (TOTS is OK, b/grossly overrated, the other 4 are poo). If Love Like a Bomb and Keep the Dream Alive got a different producer people would rate them much higher. Same with Won't Let You Down, Let There Be Love and Heathen Chemistry. |
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Post by matt on Feb 16, 2017 16:51:07 GMT -5
I reckon it must've been really exciting back in 2002 with new tracks from Liam like Songbird and Born on a Different Cloud, plus Noel's praise for his songwriting. This forum must have gone crazy with it - which makes me think about how we should analyze the excitement everyone gets upon new releases, considering how HC is panned over here today. Anyway, back in 2002, Liam showed a lot of potential as a songwriter. Then came DBTT and three subpar tracks and the excitement was gone. I still feel Liam has something in him, his songs have an identity of their own, so I agree with Noel and still think it will be curious to listen to Liam's solo. Sorry, just realised this has become a Liam post. I always kind of liked Guess God Thinks I'm Abel. Simple and spare. I'm probably overrating it a bit, probably because of how much I hate most of the other LAG tracks on that album (TOTS is OK, b/grossly overrated, the other 4 are poo). Abel, along with Soldier On, is probably my favourite of all Liam/Andy/Gem tracks. I like Love Like A Bomb too and they would have worked better if Noel had decided to show some balls and just tell Andy and Gem to fuck off with the atrocious Bell Will Ring and the equally dire Keep The Dream Alive. They're so bad that it seems as if a couple of kids won a Blue Peter competition to write a song for an Oasis album. But Liam's lighter touch with something a bit heavier from Noel to replace the two terrible tracks (e.g. A Liam sung Lord Don't Slow Me Down) would have resulted in a thoroughly decent album. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 16, 2017 17:21:08 GMT -5
I like Soldier On, Born on a different cloud, Turn up the sun and To be where there's life. I'm Outta Time and Songbird aren't necessarily bad, but too Lennon-y for my taste.
I find Abel very boring and on Love like a bomb it sounds like Liam is trying to take a shit, but is struggling.
The rest of the LAG songs can go fuck themselves.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 16, 2017 17:38:29 GMT -5
I like Soldier On, Born on a different cloud, Turn up the sun and To be where there's life. I'm Outta Time and Songbird aren't necessarily bad, but too Lennon-y for my taste. I find Abel very boring and on Love like a bomb it sounds like Liam is trying to take a shit, but is struggling. The rest of the LAG songs can go fuck themselves. I have softened toward TBWTL. I used to think it was dire but now I think it's slightly above average. It would have been a great track without sitar, and with guitar instead. Probably why I like DOYS so much (cause I think there's really only two bad songs on it  ) |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 16, 2017 17:40:40 GMT -5
I like Soldier On, Born on a different cloud, Turn up the sun and To be where there's life. I'm Outta Time and Songbird aren't necessarily bad, but too Lennon-y for my taste. I find Abel very boring and on Love like a bomb it sounds like Liam is trying to take a shit, but is struggling. The rest of the LAG songs can go fuck themselves. I have softened toward TBWTL. I used to think it was dire but now I think it's slightly above average. It would have been a great track without sitar, and with guitar instead. Probably why I like DOYS so much (cause I think there's really only two bad songs on it ) TBWTL has an awesome McCartney-circa-Revolver-like bassline, but it's so soft in the mix! Besides the lack of guitars, that's my biggest frustration with it. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 16, 2017 17:43:06 GMT -5
I have softened toward TBWTL. I used to think it was dire but now I think it's slightly above average. It would have been a great track without sitar, and with guitar instead. Probably why I like DOYS so much (cause I think there's really only two bad songs on it ) TBWTL has an awesome McCartney-circa-Revolver-like bassline, but it's so soft in the mix! Besides the lack of guitars, that's my biggest frustration with it. For sure. It was a song that had really good potential. But it's not horrible in any way. Not like ain't got muffins and nature of reality. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 16, 2017 17:48:30 GMT -5
TBWTL has an awesome McCartney-circa-Revolver-like bassline, but it's so soft in the mix! Besides the lack of guitars, that's my biggest frustration with it. For sure. It was a song that had really good potential. But it's not horrible in any way. Not like ain't got muffins and nature of reality. Muffins has some redeeming features though. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 16, 2017 17:52:35 GMT -5
For sure. It was a song that had really good potential. But it's not horrible in any way. Not like ain't got muffins and nature of reality. Muffins has some redeeming features though. The initial riff is nice, but it stretches on for a minute too long, and the nananas are cringe worthy. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 16, 2017 18:52:21 GMT -5
Most of the LAG material that ended up on Oasis LPs I don't really mind but the only ones I'd say definitely deserve their place are 'Songbird', 'Turn Up the Sun', 'I'm Outta Time' and 'To Be Where There's Life'. There's one or two others I'd consider but they're the only 4 I'd really fight for.
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Post by wozdareden on Feb 17, 2017 8:46:18 GMT -5
TBWTL and Songbird are the only ones boxing in the same category as Noel's ones.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 18:41:37 GMT -5
Go Let It Out, Gas Panic!, Where Did It All Go Wrong?, The Importance of Being Idle, Part of the Queue and The Turning. The rest of his 00's songs can go fuck themselves.
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Post by matt on Feb 17, 2017 19:37:52 GMT -5
Go Let It Out, Gas Panic!, Where Did It All Go Wrong?, The Importance of Being Idle, Part of the Queue and The Turning. The rest of his 00's songs can go fuck themselves. Wow, the anger! Just wait until you've listened to Beady Eye..... |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Feb 17, 2017 19:48:06 GMT -5
Go Let It Out, Gas Panic!, Where Did It All Go Wrong?, The Importance of Being Idle, Part of the Queue and The Turning. The rest of his 00's songs can go fuck themselves. Wow, the anger! Just wait until you've listened to Beady Eye..... Imagine when he discovers politics and things that impact his life in ways he can't always control? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 19:54:05 GMT -5
Go Let It Out, Gas Panic!, Where Did It All Go Wrong?, The Importance of Being Idle, Part of the Queue and The Turning. The rest of his 00's songs can go fuck themselves. Wow, the anger! Just wait until you've listened to Beady Eye..... I used the same phrase as Mean Mrs. Mustard. And I'm not angry at all. I think that Oasis post 1998 is from a much lower level than Oasis pre 1998. And the reason for that isn't just LAG songwriting. (I'm not saying that anybody said that here, although some people probably think so) LAG wrote maybe 2 or 3 good/great songs. But Noel didn't much better post 1998. And it continues after the split. Noel has +/-65% of the best post-Oasis songs and LAG +/-35%. And what do you mean with: 'Just wait until you've listened to Beady Eye.....' ? |
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Post by matt on Feb 17, 2017 21:12:07 GMT -5
Wow, the anger! Just wait until you've listened to Beady Eye..... I used the same phrase as Mean Mrs. Mustard. And I'm not angry at all. I think that Oasis post 1998 is from a much lower level than Oasis pre 1998. And the reason for that isn't just LAG songwriting. (I'm not saying that anybody said that here, although some people probably think so) LAG wrote maybe 2 or 3 good/great songs. But Noel didn't much better post 1998. And it continues after the split. Noel has +/-65% of the best post-Oasis songs and LAG +/-35%. And what do you mean with: 'Just wait until you've listened to Beady Eye.....' ? Just kidding. For all Noel's faults (lack of progression and open mindedness) his songwriting was still light years ahead of LAG. And still is. There are a few times here and there from Noel in Oasis post 90s that are outright bad. For sure, he may not offer peak brilliance that often and there's shed loads of 'just decent' songs from him, but there's no excuse to allow the others to write songs on albums when he was sitting on so much better. It should have been the case that Oasis should have made the best album they possibly could in the 2000s - hearing the songs Noel had stockpiled, it transpired they never did. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 4:19:36 GMT -5
If Oasis went ahead with the psychedelic-electronic rock focus in the 2000s, Andy would've suited the band better. He is clearly not fit to write conventional rock songs. I wish they would've gone to that kind of direction. SOTSOG and DOYS are my favourite albums from 00s. |
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Post by aaronon on Feb 19, 2017 18:14:07 GMT -5
I didn't know the album was due so soon.
Probs around June July?
After Liam's?
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Post by mystoryisgory on Feb 24, 2017 12:38:59 GMT -5
Ok everyone, time to place bets! How many times will we be discussing an Oasis reunion until a release date for Noel's album is announced? I say 26! How many pages long will this thread be when we finally hear the aforementioned announcement? I say 58! C'mon Noel, prove me right and make an announcement by the next page!  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 24, 2017 22:13:38 GMT -5
Why does Liam's album have to be out before Noel's? Seems like Noel is further down the line based on quotes. Liam seems like he just got the ball rolling this past winter. Seems a little too quick.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 24, 2017 22:25:26 GMT -5
Why does Liam's album have to be out before Noel's? Seems like Noel is further down the line based on quotes. Liam seems like he just got the ball rolling this past winter. Seems a little too quick. Noel throughout his whole solo career has been more deliberate than Liam. It's led to more even albums in terms of quality. Though Noel has also been a "quick" worker. Since Oasis broke-up, this is his fourth project in eight years. That's about one every two years (that doesn't include some of things he's guested on like the Monkees, Coldplay, and the odd special appearance at a gig: U2, Johnny Marr, Damon and Graham. Though we've only seen three of the four come to fruition, that's a quicker clip than when he was in Oasis, and certainly more between album activity. Actually makes you wonder how Noel finds the time. But I agree. Noel's been working with Homles since the middle of the Chasing Yesterday tour. We're talking about almost two years in the studio, but it feels like Liam may be in there for two months, max? It does seem odd. |
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