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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 9, 2017 0:13:29 GMT -5
3 songs in and Moon is already better than the generic-laden CY.
Just saying.
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Post by freddy838 on Nov 9, 2017 3:10:59 GMT -5
I don't get it either. I mean, I never got it, but now even less so. Usually he has quite some interviews, media coverage, tv appearances and all. You'd know he had something out soon (or err...in 6 months). He was often in the picture. But now...I expected more promotion and stuff, especially since he uses a new PR company and since his new material is so different. Not all of his fans are as active as we are. I can imagine a lot of them aren't really aware of anything. I've said it before and i'll say it again. He doesn't want to promote it, simply because he wants to keep the expectations low and it's a waste of money. Even if he would've promote it pretty big, it will not sell either way, without a big single. This record being experimental and so far from the songs we've heard, it doesn't seem to have a hit single. So why would he spend any money promote it? He'll just let the record speak for it self. Like I said before, if this has been his intention in that either he doesn't think he needs to sell a huge amount because he's done this album for the love and the experiment of doing something different, or he's decided it's not good enough to bother promoting, he should have just dropped it all in one go. This betwixt and between method doesn't make any sense. I think this is the first Oasisy release where I'm going to listen to it when it leaks and decide whether to buy it or not.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 9, 2017 3:43:23 GMT -5
But you're all talking about big promotion. What else bigger did he do last time besides the facebook event that was 8 months before the release ?
I dont recall it being much different. For NGHFB 1, it was bigger, but that was because he needed to get the name out there, just like Liam now.
His tour is sold out, the album will sell to his fanbase and maybe a bit beyond, what's the problem ?
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Post by vespa on Nov 9, 2017 4:04:01 GMT -5
This album will still sell well as its near Christmas sales and that's why he's released it then ,Liam's will do same .It does seem he's trying to talk it down a little though so if it doesn't sell great well he can then say it's because it's different but in all honesty I'm not sure he's bothered as he's done everything he's need to now solo and it will be another critically acclaimed album to his songwriting legacy ..thing I've noticed is the mixes are very up An down ,the Fort Knox tune is great but the mix and drum machine for a high class album are very sub standard and over compressed, I do though think this album will be great and beautiful world is a tune
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Nov 9, 2017 4:05:48 GMT -5
But you're all talking about big promotion. What else bigger did he do last time besides the facebook event that was 8 months before the release ? I dont recall it being much different. For NGHFB 1, it was bigger, but that was because he needed to get the name out there, just like Liam now. His tour is sold out, the album will sell to his fanbase and maybe a bit beyond, what's the problem ? IIRC his tour is far from selling out.
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Post by Gas Panic on Nov 9, 2017 4:18:34 GMT -5
15 days until Who Built The Moon? hits the shelves!
A new tune tomorrow surely?
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 9, 2017 4:19:08 GMT -5
But you're all talking about big promotion. What else bigger did he do last time besides the facebook event that was 8 months before the release ? I dont recall it being much different. For NGHFB 1, it was bigger, but that was because he needed to get the name out there, just like Liam now. His tour is sold out, the album will sell to his fanbase and maybe a bit beyond, what's the problem ? This is just off the top of my head here but its the first tour hes done thats not sold out and its the first lead single thats bombed. If you add that to the terrible attitude in his interviews (the ones hes bothered to do) and the admission the songs wont be liked by half his fans, i think its hard to say this is all going like the last two.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 9, 2017 5:26:28 GMT -5
But you're all talking about big promotion. What else bigger did he do last time besides the facebook event that was 8 months before the release ? I dont recall it being much different. For NGHFB 1, it was bigger, but that was because he needed to get the name out there, just like Liam now. His tour is sold out, the album will sell to his fanbase and maybe a bit beyond, what's the problem ? This is just off the top of my head here but its the first tour hes done thats not sold out and its the first lead single thats bombed. If you add that to the terrible attitude in his interviews (the ones hes bothered to do) and the admission the songs wont be liked by half his fans, i think its hard to say this is all going like the last two. Even if not sold out, i dont believe Noel is worried at all. As he said, he's trying something new and being the business man he is, he'll make a lot of money from his tour. looking at ticket prices, I dont think we need to worry about him. He's falling in the Macca category now, people are going to his concert for the old stuff, the new stuff is only for the few people that still buy records and to generate a bit of press. Was CY a success anyway ? It kinda bombed too didn't it ?
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 9, 2017 5:33:12 GMT -5
This is just off the top of my head here but its the first tour hes done thats not sold out and its the first lead single thats bombed. If you add that to the terrible attitude in his interviews (the ones hes bothered to do) and the admission the songs wont be liked by half his fans, i think its hard to say this is all going like the last two. Even if not sold out, i dont believe Noel is worried at all. As he said, he's trying something new and being the business man he is, he'll make a lot of money from his tour. looking at ticket prices, I dont think we need to worry about him. He's falling in the Macca category now, people are going to his concert for the old stuff, the new stuff is only for the few people that still buy records and to generate a bit of press. Was CY a success anyway ? It kinda bombed too didn't it ? If getting a number one album, going platinum, doing a sold out arena tour in the UK and headlining a few festivals means bombing then it did
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 9, 2017 5:38:56 GMT -5
The promotional aspect does seem strange even if he was opting for a small campaign its has been inconsistant so far, bits and pieces, no coherent drive.
Saying that if Noel doesn't want to do then fine he's earnt the right to just put his music out and maybe doesn't want to drag himself round the promotional circuit.
What I won't be having (if it doesn't sell a huge amount) is the claim that people "don't get it". That would be bollocks.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 9, 2017 5:45:30 GMT -5
Even if not sold out, i dont believe Noel is worried at all. As he said, he's trying something new and being the business man he is, he'll make a lot of money from his tour. looking at ticket prices, I dont think we need to worry about him. He's falling in the Macca category now, people are going to his concert for the old stuff, the new stuff is only for the few people that still buy records and to generate a bit of press. Was CY a success anyway ? It kinda bombed too didn't it ? If getting a number one album, going platinum, doing a sold out arena tour in the UK and headlining a few festivals means bombing then it did Fair enough, gotta say i dont follow these things, just seemed like Noel was less "everywhere" for CY than NGHFB, which had a big promo. Maybe on purpose. He's relying on his fanbase and doesn't need to invest in promotion. He'll sell his 1 million record easily i reckon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 5:45:55 GMT -5
Noel knows how the ticket sales and album pre-sales are going, so if he'd feel he needs to do more promoting I'm sure he would do it.
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Post by pedrobrasil on Nov 9, 2017 6:05:42 GMT -5
I don't think there is much different in his promotion for this album.l to his last one.He already did interviews on radio x,absolute radio and others.The big difference is that his new music was not well received and his interviews were sometimes boring so because of that didn't catch much press.But when the albums out he will do more.People who says he doesn't care about not selling out his tour or selling good amounts of albums are tripping.He always cared about that.
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Post by citykev on Nov 9, 2017 6:15:01 GMT -5
Isn’t it past midnight in NZ now.... anyone able to see if IABW is available please...?
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Post by dadrocker on Nov 9, 2017 6:30:27 GMT -5
Isn’t it past midnight in NZ now.... anyone able to see if IABW is available please...? Not available to buy on the NZ iTunes.
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Post by citykev on Nov 9, 2017 6:41:06 GMT -5
UK iTunes on my phone has just put time up as 5:13 for IABW, it wasn’t there an hour ago. Imminent...
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Post by AubreyOasis on Nov 9, 2017 7:35:25 GMT -5
But you're all talking about big promotion. What else bigger did he do last time besides the facebook event that was 8 months before the release ? I dont recall it being much different. For NGHFB 1, it was bigger, but that was because he needed to get the name out there, just like Liam now. His tour is sold out, the album will sell to his fanbase and maybe a bit beyond, what's the problem ? This is just off the top of my head here but its the first tour hes done thats not sold out and its the first lead single thats bombed. If you add that to the terrible attitude in his interviews (the ones hes bothered to do) and the admission the songs wont be liked by half his fans, i think its hard to say this is all going like the last two. I am not sure that the "first single has bombed". Releasing it in the middle of the week made it chart low because it only had 2 days of sales and because that prevented it to go into Spotify playlists (that in many cases are updated weekly). But if you add the numbers of the following week to complete a whole week of sales, the results do not seem so different from ITHOTM. Regarding number of streams frankly I don't know how many had ITHOTM one month after release, but I would say HM (2,15M streams) does not compare bad against other singles released around the same date like the first one from Morrissey (2,2M) or the second one from Weezer (1,5M) That said, I am not an expert at all in these things
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Post by Rolo on Nov 9, 2017 7:44:16 GMT -5
Cover of It's A Beautiful World. Bloody hard chorus to sing this one, had to drop the key quite a lot to get near it. Best so far, love it. I'll be honest, I'm not normally a fan of your Liam-esque rasp, but I think it works brilliantly here. Adds to the menace created both by the verses and the darker guitar sound you gave it. Good cover. Glad you enjoyed it mate, thanks very much.
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Post by Rolo on Nov 9, 2017 7:47:01 GMT -5
Cover of It's A Beautiful World. Bloody hard chorus to sing this one, had to drop the key quite a lot to get near it. Best so far, love it. Once again, really good! Chords? 😬 Thanks my man! The chords are very simple. I play Asus2 for the verses with the little riff over the top. Chorus is Fmaj7, Dsus2, C, Asus2.
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Post by walterglass on Nov 9, 2017 7:58:37 GMT -5
Noel knows how the ticket sales and album pre-sales are going, so if he'd feel he needs to do more promoting I'm sure he would do it. You can go on Eventim and get a feel for how tour sales are going by looking at the seatmaps. It looks like there are some gigs you might be able to pay on the door ATM. As for album sales, I don’t think the buzz is there. I expect a big first week but that’s it. Noel has had a rough ride this year with PR, Liam has ran rings around him. He’s verbally cast aside a portion of a loyal fanbase. He’s neglected the hardsell needed to reach the casual music fan. Personally, I’m excited about the music and the tour but I don’t expect swathes of people to get onboard with us.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 9, 2017 8:25:14 GMT -5
So we all assume Beautiful World comes out tomorrow but yet again Noel's camp has been ULTRA silent. This campaign has been mind boggling.
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Post by LightsOffInside on Nov 9, 2017 9:40:12 GMT -5
I can wait. Couldn't care less about the effect of bad PR or marketing or whatever, that only affects him not us.
Plus in a way, I'm secretly glad that Liam's getting much better marketing. It's like seeing Tom finally catch Jerry, and I was ready for it.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 9, 2017 10:36:54 GMT -5
This is just off the top of my head here but its the first tour hes done thats not sold out and its the first lead single thats bombed. If you add that to the terrible attitude in his interviews (the ones hes bothered to do) and the admission the songs wont be liked by half his fans, i think its hard to say this is all going like the last two. I am not sure that the "first single has bombed". Releasing it in the middle of the week made it chart low because it only had 2 days of sales and because that prevented it to go into Spotify playlists (that in many cases are updated weekly). But if you add the numbers of the following week to complete a whole week of sales, the results do not seem so different from ITHOTM. Regarding number of streams frankly I don't know how many had ITHOTM one month after release, but I would say HM (2,15M streams) does not compare bad against other singles released around the same date like the first one from Morrissey (2,2M) or the second one from Weezer (1,5M) That said, I am not an expert at all in these things I hear you but honestly even if we just take figures aside, i know from my social media and even just friends that the buzz around Noels new album isnt anything like what it was for the last one. All i've seen is probably a tenth of the people arguing about she feel/she bangs and a pair of scissors.
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Post by MacaRonic on Nov 9, 2017 10:38:42 GMT -5
The is the most limp build-up to an NG related album ever.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 9, 2017 10:39:40 GMT -5
This is just off the top of my head here but its the first tour hes done thats not sold out and its the first lead single thats bombed. If you add that to the terrible attitude in his interviews (the ones hes bothered to do) and the admission the songs wont be liked by half his fans, i think its hard to say this is all going like the last two. Even if not sold out, i dont believe Noel is worried at all. As he said, he's trying something new and being the business man he is, he'll make a lot of money from his tour. looking at ticket prices, I dont think we need to worry about him. He's falling in the Macca category now, people are going to his concert for the old stuff, the new stuff is only for the few people that still buy records and to generate a bit of press. Was CY a success anyway ? It kinda bombed too didn't it ? We might differ in opinion here, i think Noel massively cares about sales and tour tickets. I think the first HFB album is perfect to him. Fuck that it had boring production in many places and he actually stripped the soul out of some of them. It sold how he wanted it to. I think his approach to the next album will be identical to that one if this one goes the way its looking. I dont think he's just falling into the "macca" catergory. I think since 2000 people have been turning up to his gigs to hear old stuff. In the main.
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