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Post by walterglass on Nov 9, 2017 10:43:26 GMT -5
Album sales, it’d not be a tragedy if he never had a hit album again. Take his live audience away, however, and I’m pretty sure it’d hit him like a train.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 9, 2017 10:49:21 GMT -5
Even if not sold out, i dont believe Noel is worried at all. As he said, he's trying something new and being the business man he is, he'll make a lot of money from his tour. looking at ticket prices, I dont think we need to worry about him. He's falling in the Macca category now, people are going to his concert for the old stuff, the new stuff is only for the few people that still buy records and to generate a bit of press. Was CY a success anyway ? It kinda bombed too didn't it ? We might differ in opinion here, i think Noel massively cares about sales and tour tickets. I think the first HFB album is perfect to him. Fuck that it had boring production in many places and he actually stripped the soul out of some of them. It sold how he wanted it to. I think his approach to the next album will be identical to that one if this one goes the way its looking. I dont think he's just falling into the "macca" catergory. I think since 2000 people have been turning up to his gigs to hear old stuff. In the main. I was just talking about album sales though, of course he cares about ticket sales, it is the most important revenue with merchandising nowadays. He could still get to #1 by selling what 5000 records but being #1 now doesn't mean much in terms of revenues. Album sales is not how he makes money (mostly, maybe 10%) The macca thing was mainly about the U2 tour. He's done it for the fun of it, fanboy that he is, but also because it was good and easy money. A bit like Macca who is doing albums he wants to do, dont sell much, and then goes on tour to play 90% of beatles tunes. So yeah, Noel is slowly falling into that category. Oasis wasn't, because their records meant much more back then than Noel's now. During the CY tour, i was really surprised how little most people care about the new stuff. That was not true for Oasis. New stuff were always received well, and people actually knew those songs. A lot of people had never heard Riverman, Do the Damage or stuff like that on the CY gigs i've been to.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 9, 2017 10:50:21 GMT -5
Album sales, it’d not be a tragedy if he never had a hit album again. Take his live audience away, however, and I’m pretty sure it’d hit him like a train. Be a shame to lose the studio album no.1 streak. If he plays it safe tactically with that, he should always manage it.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 9, 2017 11:08:41 GMT -5
He should get to #1 because every ticket sold for the tour gets a “free” album. That should be enough to get the top spot.
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Post by stinenat on Nov 9, 2017 11:14:13 GMT -5
He should get to #1 because every ticket sold for the tour gets a “free” album. That should be enough to get the top spot. Yeah, it's smart marketing.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 9, 2017 11:14:37 GMT -5
He should get to #1 because every ticket sold for the tour gets a “free” album. That should be enough to get the top spot. Isnt there some sort of thing stopping shit like that? I seem to remember alot of The Shock Of The Lightning's sales not counting because it was downloaded in conjunction with something else. This is going way back and im surprising myself at my endless list of useless Oasis knowledge. Anyone else do that?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 9, 2017 11:17:20 GMT -5
He should get to #1 because every ticket sold for the tour gets a “free” album. That should be enough to get the top spot. Isnt there some sort of thing stopping shit like that? I seem to remember alot of The Shock Of The Lightning's sales not counting because it was downloaded in conjunction with something else. This is going way back and im surprising myself at my endless list of useless Oasis knowledge. Anyone else do that? It’s currently allowed and counts towards your first week album sales. Arcade Fire did it this summer and were accused of creating a fake #1 album. Liam also did this tactic. It’s a great idea and loop hole. I’m sure they will revise this as it becomes more popular.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 9, 2017 11:24:34 GMT -5
Isnt there some sort of thing stopping shit like that? I seem to remember alot of The Shock Of The Lightning's sales not counting because it was downloaded in conjunction with something else. This is going way back and im surprising myself at my endless list of useless Oasis knowledge. Anyone else do that? It’s currently allowed and counts towards your first week album sales. Arcade Fire did it this summer and were accused of creating a fake #1 album. Liam also did this tactic. It’s a great idea and loop hole. I’m sure they will revise this as it becomes more popular. Like you said though, you are actually paying for it on top aswell. Seems like a very corporate thing you'd expect U2 to do. It's funny cos Noel wasn't happy that "the kids" were having to see Pretty Green being worn by the band or in the programmes but he's happy to misleadingly sell them an album.
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Post by seanrulesrh on Nov 9, 2017 11:42:08 GMT -5
He should get to #1 because every ticket sold for the tour gets a “free” album. That should be enough to get the top spot. Yeah, it's smart marketing. Not really. The red hot chili peppers did that in the last tour. And even though the album was grear,it didn't get to #1. And sadly enough,if the RHCP didn't,Noel won't
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Post by andymorris on Nov 9, 2017 11:46:15 GMT -5
He should get to #1 because every ticket sold for the tour gets a “free” album. That should be enough to get the top spot. Wait what ?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 9, 2017 12:06:50 GMT -5
It’s currently allowed and counts towards your first week album sales. Arcade Fire did it this summer and were accused of creating a fake #1 album. Liam also did this tactic. It’s a great idea and loop hole. I’m sure they will revise this as it becomes more popular. Like you said though, you are actually paying for it on top aswell. Seems like a very corporate thing you'd expect U2 to do. It's funny cos Noel wasn't happy that "the kids" were having to see Pretty Green being worn by the band or in the programmes but he's happy to misleadingly sell them an album. True I guess that album is kinda getting paid for by the actual ticket but it does beef up the sales numbers for week 1. Especially when you consider this. When Noel announced his album I bought the deluxe album. Then he sold his tour tickets the following week. Bought 2 tickets. Then I was notified that each of those tickets gets an album along with it. So Noel got 3 albums sold for week 1 just from me alone. I’m sure this happened to so many of us on the forum. This also happened to me with arcade Fire and Liam. They all got 3 albums from me for first week sales.
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Post by walterglass on Nov 9, 2017 12:15:28 GMT -5
He should get to #1 because every ticket sold for the tour gets a “free” album. That should be enough to get the top spot. Pretty sure that’s not the case in the UK. I’ve got a ticket, not aware of any album purchase within the transaction. Nor was that the case with AYW over here.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 9, 2017 12:20:27 GMT -5
He should get to #1 because every ticket sold for the tour gets a “free” album. That should be enough to get the top spot. Pretty sure that’s not the case in the UK. I’ve got a ticket, not aware of any album purchase within the transaction. Nor was that the case with AYW over here. All I know is what is happening in America. Each ticket sold gets an album.
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Post by Gas Panic on Nov 9, 2017 12:51:23 GMT -5
Pretty sure that’s not the case in the UK. I’ve got a ticket, not aware of any album purchase within the transaction. Nor was that the case with AYW over here. All I know is what is happening in America. Each ticket sold gets an album. I was forced to purchase a copy of the album when I bought my seats for London, this was on Ticketmaster. That's someones Christmas present sorted.
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Post by jxing on Nov 9, 2017 12:59:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure how his ticket sales are doing else where but I've been keeping up with his New Orleans gig and it's basically dead. (Red dots r for resale and VIP, orange r VIP and blue are regular) he's going to have to drop prices and open up those VIP seats before I consider purchasing. He really hurt himself with the bullshit VIP packages.
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Nov 9, 2017 13:05:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure how his ticket sales are doing else where but I've been keeping up with his New Orleans gig and it's basically dead. (Red dots r for resale and VIP, orange r VIP and blue are regular) he's going to have to drop prices and open up those VIP seats before I consider purchasing. He really hurt himself with the bullshit VIP packages. Considering that venue is only 1500 capacity, it seems he's only sold a couple of hundred tickets?
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Post by jxing on Nov 9, 2017 13:06:35 GMT -5
Imo he doesn't want to promote this album for whatever reason. Maybe he's tired, bored of the pr process, which I sorta get... It's disappointing because I've always enjoyed his interviews..except for recent ones.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 9, 2017 13:10:30 GMT -5
Who built Noel’s marketing campaign???
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Post by NicOasis on Nov 9, 2017 13:11:15 GMT -5
Guys, after extensive research it appears no one has built any hype. Check back in 2 weeks.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 9, 2017 13:12:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure how his ticket sales are doing else where but I've been keeping up with his New Orleans gig and it's basically dead. (Red dots r for resale and VIP, orange r VIP and blue are regular) he's going to have to drop prices and open up those VIP seats before I consider purchasing. He really hurt himself with the bullshit VIP packages. How did he do on past tours ? USA (especially in the south) i believe is harder to fill than south america or Europe maybe ?
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Post by jxing on Nov 9, 2017 13:19:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure how his ticket sales are doing else where but I've been keeping up with his New Orleans gig and it's basically dead. (Red dots r for resale and VIP, orange r VIP and blue are regular) he's going to have to drop prices and open up those VIP seats before I consider purchasing. He really hurt himself with the bullshit VIP packages. How did he do on past tours ? USA (especially in the south) i believe is harder to fill than south america or Europe maybe ? I'm not sure but I think his new Orleans gig was a smaller venue. However, just like Liam, some of these venues are more beneficial for smaller bands/singers.... www.theawl.com/2011/04/why-fans-are-always-having-to-go-to-terminal-5/If he chose a smaller venue, such as houses of blues.. he definitely would have had a better response
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 9, 2017 13:20:28 GMT -5
Maybe Noel finally realizes that releasing a single the same day as Taylor Swift’s album was not the brightest idea. She’s swallowing up so many front pages and headlines. For good or bad. Noel would be in her wake. Noel should have done it last Friday. Especially with Beautiful World getting broadcast on Jools Holland the next night but what the fuck do I know.
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Post by carlober on Nov 9, 2017 13:24:36 GMT -5
Maybe Noel finally realizes that releasing a single the same day as Taylor Swift’s album was not the brightest idea. She’s swallowing up so many front pages and headlines. For good or bad. Noel would be in her wake. Noel should have done it last Friday. Especially with Beautiful World getting broadcast on Jools Holland the next night but what the fuck do I know. 100% agree.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 9, 2017 13:25:12 GMT -5
Looks like Noel is focusing on markets where he can generate revenues from album sales (press conf in Italy, south America promo / tour then England probably next week) and is completely abandoning the other markets.
It makes sense tbh.
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Post by janedoe on Nov 9, 2017 13:33:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure how his ticket sales are doing else where but I've been keeping up with his New Orleans gig and it's basically dead. (Red dots r for resale and VIP, orange r VIP and blue are regular) he's going to have to drop prices and open up those VIP seats before I consider purchasing. He really hurt himself with the bullshit VIP packages. Considering that venue is only 1500 capacity, it seems he's only sold a couple of hundred tickets? with a free album with every ticket, those numbers won't get him to number 1
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