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Post by andymorris on Oct 1, 2017 3:31:59 GMT -5
Yeah the previews kinda sound like those records although Primal Scream didn't drown their guitars and vocals in those silly 80s reverb and echo pedals. That's what i dislike about Noel latest efforts : the songs are there, the experimentation seems to have worked this time, but there's no need to hide everything with millions of effects. Recently, the lennon claypool delirium managed to make a pretty weird experimental record with a very dry sound, for instance. Reverb and echo is always a risk, coz you can end up sounding like Coldplay. Thank you for the Claypool Lennon Delirium mention. I've checked them out on Youtube. OMG how strange to hear Tomorrow Never Knows played live in 2016 with a Lennon vocal. Bought some legal stuff from iTunes too. I appreciate how this forum provides good insights into more-than-Oasis music I'm glad i made you discover them. Their record is great. Sean Lennon is very underrated, he's got a couple of great solo records and has made a few as The ghost of a saber tooth tiger. Check out the record Midnight Sun first, it's very pop / psychedelic. They are also great to check out live, there's some radio sessions on youtube that are excellent.
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Post by hasseg on Oct 1, 2017 3:47:48 GMT -5
Hello, guys! I'm the one who brought the news about dates for Noels last record: live4ever.proboards.com/thread/79784/dates-new-noel-material. A friend of mine is pretty close with Noel (he was the source about the dates for CY, too) and give us some news now and then. This is nothing spectacular but he recently said "It's a conscious strategy from Noel keeping quiet and not doing much to promote the album. The album will be something special."
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 1, 2017 3:58:31 GMT -5
Don't the drums on D'You Know What I Mean replicate an NWA loop? I'm not into hip hop, rap or grime (other stylistic origins of hip hop etc) at all. Don't get me wrong, it's an unbelievable talent and skill but it's just not something I can connect to personally, but I respect it a great deal although I always find the story behind the stars more fascinating (the film Straight Outta Compton is excellent). The heavy instrumentation and rhythms is what appeals to me - probably about as far as what Liam talks about in the Noisey video when reviewing records; not really into the rapping, but the music is great. I'm not surprised that Noel has shown his appreciation - maybe while some morons scoff at the idea of him listening to Kanye West, he's always had a broader musical taste than popular opinion dictates. That's why he's a truly great songwriter because he can appreciate the nuances and complexity of many diverse acts and songs. It's that problem of feeling hemmed in by fanbase expectations that puts him in that musical straitjacket, and thus a perception from ignorant folk that he is a luddite who only listens to rock bands. But the evidence of much broader tastes is there scattered throughout his 23 years in the music industry. Maybe Holmes has encouraged Noel to shake off his inhibitions and allow himself to indulge in his influences not really associated with him? And it wouldn't be beyond the possibility of a hip hop artist working with Noel and Liam; the fact is their attitudes, outlook and upbringings are more closely aligned with hip hop acts than your beige rock acts today. Even Liam knows that! There's more of the Gallagher ethos in guys like Stormzy and Kanye than your NME hyped weedy indie rock bands - the rock stars of today aren't even rockers! You know, though I've heard many times that D'You Know What I Mean samples the drums from NWA's song Straight Outta Compton (and by extension, the famous Amen break), I've never heard it myself in the mix, either the original or the 2016 rethink! Granted, this is the BHN era we're talking about, so it's probably in there somewhere buried under a million guitar overdubs. But the arrogant swagger of the two songs is the same! Kanye West and Noel are a far better fit than most people on here realize. If you listen to stuff off The College Dropout (or any of West's albums, really) you'll see that Kanye has a real ear for melody and pop hooks that really recalls Noel. The main difference between them is that Kanye has been far more willing to branch out into different styles and try new things. Like 808s and Heartbreak, that was a major departure for Kanye that replaced rapping with his autotuned singing (trust me, the album sounds better than it does on paper!) but at the same time he invented modern R&B and encouraged other rappers to experiment. Luckily Noel seems to be catching up with Who Built the Moon. I've been afraid for years that Noel hates hip-hop because of what he said about Jay-Z while he was in Oasis. But as it turns out, the man's full or surprises that really shouldn't come as surprises given that this is the same man who released Teotihuacan! I've always thought of The College Dropout as hip-hop's Definitely Maybe. Comes out of nowhere, talking about working-class problems and outlook on top of undeniable melodies and anthemic tunes - completely reenergizes the genre in the process.
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Post by Bellboy on Oct 1, 2017 4:32:44 GMT -5
Did I mention Halloween? 😉
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 1, 2017 4:38:13 GMT -5
As I said, I like the vocal effects on Noel. The way they are manipulated means that the vocals don't stick out like a sore thumb and as a result, that ethereal vibes I picked up blend in well with the mood of the psychedelic instrumentation. I'm not the biggest fan of his voice, I think it's pleasant but over an entire album it doesn't have the charisma, panache and energy of Liam. One of the problems is that his voice never competes well against a big guitar sound and it sinks without a trace as he struggles badly I feel (Lock All The Doors is a chore to listen to). That said, on the stripped back tunes, his voice is lovely and clear, and the melancholy in his voice suits the more restrained High Flying Birds tracks (e.g. Death of You & Me, Broken Arrow demo, Dying of the Light demo) or indeed Oasis songs (Half The World Away, Talk Tonight). For this style of music however, mixing and distorting the vocals up a bit will do him wonders I hope. I'd disagree with this point. I think he can pull it off it's just something he unfortunately rarely tries or has passed the duty (often rightly) over to Liam. I think he does a much more solid job on both of these, particularly nailing the chorus on The Hindu Times: Setting Sun has a pretty big sound too and I don't think I've ever heard people criticise about his vocals on that. The problem with Lock All the Doors is that it's just piss-weak. Sounds like he turned the guitars up to a steady 5. Yeah, I think that's more of a problem with that song than Noel's voice. He doesn't have a weak voice IMO, and songs such as Everybody's On The Run and Don't Look Back In Anger, where he really has to use that strength show that.
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Post by hasseg on Oct 1, 2017 6:02:56 GMT -5
So Noel played five songs from WBTM two days ago in Los Angeles?
Do we have a thread about this?
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Post by deadman on Oct 1, 2017 11:35:38 GMT -5
Bit more of Fort Knox heard during Sky Sports football coverage just. As they were coming out of the advertisement break, with highlights of the 1st half and then with the promo for the other programmes on Sky.
I'd hazard a guess they'll play it again for the full time recap, so around 6:30pm.
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Post by bestwick8 on Oct 1, 2017 12:23:49 GMT -5
Can you imagine if this album leaked before Liam’s?
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 1, 2017 14:47:41 GMT -5
Few days in, and I really really love the clips more and more...
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 1, 2017 16:15:46 GMT -5
You know, though I've heard many times that D'You Know What I Mean samples the drums from NWA's song Straight Outta Compton (and by extension, the famous Amen break), I've never heard it myself in the mix, either the original or the 2016 rethink! Granted, this is the BHN era we're talking about, so it's probably in there somewhere buried under a million guitar overdubs. But the arrogant swagger of the two songs is the same! Kanye West and Noel are a far better fit than most people on here realize. If you listen to stuff off The College Dropout (or any of West's albums, really) you'll see that Kanye has a real ear for melody and pop hooks that really recalls Noel. The main difference between them is that Kanye has been far more willing to branch out into different styles and try new things. Like 808s and Heartbreak, that was a major departure for Kanye that replaced rapping with his autotuned singing (trust me, the album sounds better than it does on paper!) but at the same time he invented modern R&B and encouraged other rappers to experiment. Luckily Noel seems to be catching up with Who Built the Moon. I've been afraid for years that Noel hates hip-hop because of what he said about Jay-Z while he was in Oasis. But as it turns out, the man's full or surprises that really shouldn't come as surprises given that this is the same man who released Teotihuacan! I've always thought of The College Dropout as hip-hop's Definitely Maybe. Comes out of nowhere, talking about working-class problems and outlook on top of undeniable melodies and anthemic tunes - completely reenergizes the genre in the process. Except Kanye didn't come from a working-class background. He was very much middle class, and the lyrics on The College Dropout reflect American middle class problems. His mom was an English professor for heaven's sake! That's why some hip-hop purists hated him around the release of that album. Here you had some guy who was pretty much the inverse of a crazy-ass n**** Straight Outta Compton in every way possible, had his entire comfortable life handed to him on a silver platter, and he had the audacity to rap about dropping out of college?! Talk about rich people problems! But that's part of The College Dropout's brilliance. It helped put the nails in the coffin of gangsta rap, which by that time was getting tired and cliched, by finding a more relevant subject matter and perspective.
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Post by Gin & Tonic on Oct 1, 2017 16:51:13 GMT -5
top 10 bands of the last 20 years Maroon 5
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 1, 2017 17:04:01 GMT -5
I've always thought of The College Dropout as hip-hop's Definitely Maybe. Comes out of nowhere, talking about working-class problems and outlook on top of undeniable melodies and anthemic tunes - completely reenergizes the genre in the process. Except Kanye didn't come from a working-class background. He was very much middle class, and the lyrics on The College Dropout reflect American middle class problems. His mom was an English professor for heaven's sake! That's why some hip-hop purists hated him around the release of that album. Here you had some guy who was pretty much the inverse of a crazy-ass n**** Straight Outta Compton in every way possible, had his entire comfortable life handed to him on a silver platter, and he had the audacity to rap about dropping out of college?! Talk about rich people problems! But that's part of The College Dropout's brilliance. It helped put the nails in the coffin of gangsta rap, which by that time was getting tired and cliched, by finding a more relevant subject matter and perspective. I don't really mind the nails going in to the coffin of gangsta rap (even though I have a lot of time for Tupac, BIG, Big L, Eazy E, NWA, Ice Cube and others) as you were left with people like 50 Cent but I do have a problem with it being replaced with first world problem music. I like Kanye's first two or three records but he's become an insufferable wanker over the last few years. If he's musics middle class future I think I'll give it a miss.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 1, 2017 17:29:53 GMT -5
top 10 bands of the last 20 years Maroon 5 In terms of sales.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 1, 2017 17:58:20 GMT -5
Except Kanye didn't come from a working-class background. He was very much middle class, and the lyrics on The College Dropout reflect American middle class problems. His mom was an English professor for heaven's sake! That's why some hip-hop purists hated him around the release of that album. Here you had some guy who was pretty much the inverse of a crazy-ass n**** Straight Outta Compton in every way possible, had his entire comfortable life handed to him on a silver platter, and he had the audacity to rap about dropping out of college?! Talk about rich people problems! But that's part of The College Dropout's brilliance. It helped put the nails in the coffin of gangsta rap, which by that time was getting tired and cliched, by finding a more relevant subject matter and perspective. I don't really mind the nails going in to the coffin of gangsta rap (even though I have a lot of time for Tupac, BIG, Big L, Eazy E, NWA, Ice Cube and others) as you were left with people like 50 Cent but I do have a problem with it being replaced with first world problem music. I like Kanye's first two or three records but he's become an insufferable wanker over the last few years. If he's musics middle class future I think I'll give it a miss. I was being half facetious and half serious when I referred to the subject matter on The College Dropout as "rich people problems". The themes of not being able to find a job after college and becoming a secretary's secretary don't affect rich people at all, it's those in the middle class who suffer. But at the same time, those same themes come from a completely different culture as those expressed on Straight Outta Compton, hence the criticism from hip-hop purists. But Kanye hasn't been rapping from a middle class perspective for a long time. Beginning on Late Registration he traded his relatability for narcissism and it shows no sign of stopping!
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Post by spaneli on Oct 1, 2017 20:12:56 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Rolling Stone had both As You Were and Who Built the Moon as the top albums to look forward to this fall.
They also mentioned that If Love is the Law features a Brian Eno sample and Holy Mountain has samples from Ice Cream.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 1, 2017 20:53:07 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Rolling Stone had both As You Were and Who Built the Moon as the top albums to look forward to this fall. They also mentioned that If Love is the Law features a Brian Eno sample and Holy Mountain has samples from Ice Cream.Were they referring to this song?
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Post by spaneli on Oct 1, 2017 20:59:01 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Rolling Stone had both As You Were and Who Built the Moon as the top albums to look forward to this fall. They also mentioned that If Love is the Law features a Brian Eno sample and Holy Mountain has samples from Ice Cream.Were they referring to this song? My guess would be a "no." This song is faaaaarrrrr more likely
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Post by anika on Oct 2, 2017 1:07:29 GMT -5
No. The song borrowed a hook from a 1960's pop band called ICE CREAM!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 3:06:47 GMT -5
Who built the moon?
Noel Noel
who built the moon?
Brother Noel built the moon
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Post by theseventwenty on Oct 2, 2017 3:11:42 GMT -5
The start of this Ice Cream track reminds me of Do The Damage a bit
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Post by Doc Lobster on Oct 2, 2017 3:22:39 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Rolling Stone had both As You Were and Who Built the Moon as the top albums to look forward to this fall. They also mentioned that If Love is the Law features a Brian Eno sample and Holy Mountain has samples from Ice Cream.
Wow, now I'm really looking forward to finding out which track they've sampled. Brian Eno is a genius.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 7:31:43 GMT -5
So..... still nothing of substance? Great.
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Post by dadrocker on Oct 2, 2017 7:58:18 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesn't really want to hear a song called It's A Beautiful World right now? Seems like the opposite of where my mindset is nowadays. But maybe it's exactly what we need? Seems like it'll be hard to listen to that chorus over and over with the all the news we're constantly barraged with. Just some thoughts to spur discussion while we wait and wait and wait...
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 2, 2017 8:32:17 GMT -5
Am I the only one who doesn't really want to hear a song called It's A Beautiful World right now? Seems like the opposite of where my mindset is nowadays. But maybe it's exactly what we need? Seems like it'll be hard to listen to that chorus over and over with the all the news we're constantly barraged with. Just some thoughts to spur discussion while we wait and wait and wait... Just because there's so much hatred, doesn't mean we cant be reminded how beautiful this all can still be.
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Post by springvibes on Oct 2, 2017 9:57:37 GMT -5
If it's a song sample by the ice cream it can be this one as well,
both songs from Ice Cream are arranged by Milan Radenkovic
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