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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 29, 2017 19:03:50 GMT -5
The fact that Noel Gallagher has cited Kanye West as an influence and even wanted to send him Fort Knox is a real sign that Noel has really leaped out of his comfort zone with this album. I really cannot believe what I'm reading. Noel has done things I wouldn't have thought he would've in his wildest dreams. Where was David Holmes when Noel needed him back in 1999?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 29, 2017 19:41:24 GMT -5
Heard any good jokes lately?!?!?!?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 29, 2017 19:48:29 GMT -5
Maybe this was mentioned days/weeks ago and maybe it’s a typo on Noel’s website but why is his October 3rd date in Mexico City not listed with U2???
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 29, 2017 20:03:23 GMT -5
Heard any good jokes lately?!?!?!? Kanye West and Noel Gallagher are collaborating. Wait....that might actually happen!
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Post by matt on Sept 29, 2017 20:29:16 GMT -5
The fact that Noel Gallagher has cited Kanye West as an influence and even wanted to send him Fort Knox is a real sign that Noel has really leaped out of his comfort zone with this album. I really cannot believe what I'm reading. Noel has done things I wouldn't have thought he would've in his wildest dreams. Where was David Holmes when Noel needed him back in 1999? Don't the drums on D'You Know What I Mean replicate an NWA loop? I'm not into hip hop, rap or grime (other stylistic origins of hip hop etc) at all. Don't get me wrong, it's an unbelievable talent and skill but it's just not something I can connect to personally, but I respect it a great deal although I always find the story behind the stars more fascinating (the film Straight Outta Compton is excellent). The heavy instrumentation and rhythms is what appeals to me - probably about as far as what Liam talks about in the Noisey video when reviewing records; not really into the rapping, but the music is great. I'm not surprised that Noel has shown his appreciation - maybe while some morons scoff at the idea of him listening to Kanye West, he's always had a broader musical taste than popular opinion dictates. That's why he's a truly great songwriter because he can appreciate the nuances and complexity of many diverse acts and songs. It's that problem of feeling hemmed in by fanbase expectations that puts him in that musical straitjacket, and thus a perception from ignorant folk that he is a luddite who only listens to rock bands. But the evidence of much broader tastes is there scattered throughout his 23 years in the music industry. Maybe Holmes has encouraged Noel to shake off his inhibitions and allow himself to indulge in his influences not really associated with him? And it wouldn't be beyond the possibility of a hip hop artist working with Noel and Liam; the fact is their attitudes, outlook and upbringings are more closely aligned with hip hop acts than your beige rock acts today. Even Liam knows that! There's more of the Gallagher ethos in guys like Stormzy and Kanye than your NME hyped weedy indie rock bands - the rock stars of today aren't even rockers!
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Post by walterglass on Sept 29, 2017 20:30:31 GMT -5
Heard any good jokes lately?!?!?!? What do you call an Italian man who has a rubber toe?
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Post by Plantpot on Sept 29, 2017 20:32:29 GMT -5
The fact that Noel Gallagher has cited Kanye West as an influence and even wanted to send him Fort Knox is a real sign that Noel has really leaped out of his comfort zone with this album. I really cannot believe what I'm reading. Noel has done things I wouldn't have thought he would've in his wildest dreams. Where was David Holmes when Noel needed him back in 1999? Coupled with the album teaser, I reckon that this news does suggest that Noel has stepped out of his comfort zone; however, I would be remiss if I failed to consider Noel’s comments about how “D’yer Know What I Mean?” came to fruition. If I recall correctly, Noel stated that the initial premise of this song, a drum loop, was inspired by NWA’s “Straight Outta Compton,” but obviously that song wound up being a monstrous rock song despite the cited influence. Had this occurrence happened today, then some of us might have actually been disappointed because we were expecting something different. Until I hear “Fort Knox” it’s entirety, I shall try to remain optimistically centered. Good times ahead.
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Post by NicOasis on Sept 29, 2017 20:40:47 GMT -5
Midnight. I'm calling it. Nothing will happen at midnight tonight. (PST (Man!!))
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Post by deasy on Sept 30, 2017 4:29:53 GMT -5
I've probably listened to Fade more than any other song in the last 12 months, so the news that it inspired Fort Knox excites me for the rest of the track.
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Post by eva on Sept 30, 2017 5:39:18 GMT -5
Maybe this was mentioned days/weeks ago and maybe it’s a typo on Noel’s website but why is his October 3rd date in Mexico City not listed with U2??? there are a lot of dates missing in the October U2 tour. it was like that when they were testing the site as well. only showing 4 or 5 dates. but I checked U2's site - several times, believe me and he's still there as support act
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 30, 2017 6:47:35 GMT -5
I've probably listened to Fade more than any other song in the last 12 months, so the news that it inspired Fort Knox excites me for the rest of the track. Fade is actually one of my least favourite tracks on the album. But Noel showing his appreciation for Yeezy is a great sign! I FANTASISED 'BOUT THIS BACK IN MANCHESTER...
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Sept 30, 2017 9:02:44 GMT -5
The thing that bothers me the most is that the perfect timing is way gone. Liam's album is out next week so Noel wont release anything until then... The following week its still gonna be all about As You Were which leave us with late October/early November for a Single release.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 30, 2017 9:06:21 GMT -5
The thing that bothers me the most is that the perfect timing is way gone. Liam's album is out next week so Noel wont release anything until then... The following week its still gonna be all about As You Were which leave us with late October/early November for a Single release. You are dead on. I literally have no clue what Noel's plan is here. This was the week. Friday was the day. The hype started on Monday with the teaser. The tour went on sale Friday. Liam's album drops next week. He's going on tour with U2 until the very very end of October and then 3 weeks until Who Built The Moon Drops. The timing is now all fucked up in the conventional sense. I guess Noel might really roll the dice and drops a single next week. Not smart but so Noel and his management.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 10:24:29 GMT -5
Noel seems more interested in hanging with Bono and going on tour with U2 than he does for his own new album. We got pathetic, pre-recorded interviews on Monday and nothing but silence since...
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Post by mossy on Sept 30, 2017 11:14:20 GMT -5
The fact that Noel Gallagher has cited Kanye West as an influence and even wanted to send him Fort Knox is a real sign that Noel has really leaped out of his comfort zone with this album. I really cannot believe what I'm reading. Noel has done things I wouldn't have thought he would've in his wildest dreams. Where was David Holmes when Noel needed him back in 1999? Don't the drums on D'You Know What I Mean replicate an NWA loop? I'm not into hip hop, rap or grime (other stylistic origins of hip hop etc) at all. Don't get me wrong, it's an unbelievable talent and skill but it's just not something I can connect to personally, but I respect it a great deal although I always find the story behind the stars more fascinating (the film Straight Outta Compton is excellent). The heavy instrumentation and rhythms is what appeals to me - probably about as far as what Liam talks about in the Noisey video when reviewing records; not really into the rapping, but the music is great. I'm not surprised that Noel has shown his appreciation - maybe while some morons scoff at the idea of him listening to Kanye West, he's always had a broader musical taste than popular opinion dictates. That's why he's a truly great songwriter because he can appreciate the nuances and complexity of many diverse acts and songs. It's that problem of feeling hemmed in by fanbase expectations that puts him in that musical straitjacket, and thus a perception from ignorant folk that he is a luddite who only listens to rock bands. But the evidence of much broader tastes is there scattered throughout his 23 years in the music industry. Maybe Holmes has encouraged Noel to shake off his inhibitions and allow himself to indulge in his influences not really associated with him? And it wouldn't be beyond the possibility of a hip hop artist working with Noel and Liam; the fact is their attitudes, outlook and upbringings are more closely aligned with hip hop acts than your beige rock acts today. Even Liam knows that! There's more of the Gallagher ethos in guys like Stormzy and Kanye than your NME hyped weedy indie rock bands - the rock stars of today aren't even rockers! No they don't. There is an NWA drum sample, but it's not the main drum pattern - it lasts for a few seconds during the solo and it's completely buried in the mix. It annoys me that it gets mentioned so much because it's a completely inconsequencial part of the song. Honestly, the sample is pointless.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 30, 2017 11:20:49 GMT -5
The thing that bothers me the most is that the perfect timing is way gone. Liam's album is out next week so Noel wont release anything until then... The following week its still gonna be all about As You Were which leave us with late October/early November for a Single release. I've been saying that if it wasn't this week then it would be the end of the month when Noel is off tour. I think the only reason they announced this early was because they wanted to get presales going and to sell tour tickets (especially the US dates where he's playing larger venues than before). Which makes sense. They probably figured that the 3 song taster would act as a type of single.
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Post by csc2002 on Sept 30, 2017 11:23:59 GMT -5
Any news from the listening party in LA?
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Post by bt95 on Sept 30, 2017 11:34:37 GMT -5
The thing that bothers me the most is that the perfect timing is way gone. Liam's album is out next week so Noel wont release anything until then... The following week its still gonna be all about As You Were which leave us with late October/early November for a Single release. You are dead on. I literally have no clue what Noel's plan is here. This was the week. Friday was the day. The hype started on Monday with the teaser. The tour went on sale Friday. Liam's album drops next week. He's going on tour with U2 until the very very end of October and then 3 weeks until Who Built The Moon Drops. The timing is now all fucked up in the conventional sense. I guess Noel might really roll the dice and drops a single next week. Not smart but so Noel and his management. They'll probably just drop the single late October, matey.
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Post by Plantpot on Sept 30, 2017 11:56:58 GMT -5
Don't the drums on D'You Know What I Mean replicate an NWA loop? I'm not into hip hop, rap or grime (other stylistic origins of hip hop etc) at all. Don't get me wrong, it's an unbelievable talent and skill but it's just not something I can connect to personally, but I respect it a great deal although I always find the story behind the stars more fascinating (the film Straight Outta Compton is excellent). The heavy instrumentation and rhythms is what appeals to me - probably about as far as what Liam talks about in the Noisey video when reviewing records; not really into the rapping, but the music is great. I'm not surprised that Noel has shown his appreciation - maybe while some morons scoff at the idea of him listening to Kanye West, he's always had a broader musical taste than popular opinion dictates. That's why he's a truly great songwriter because he can appreciate the nuances and complexity of many diverse acts and songs. It's that problem of feeling hemmed in by fanbase expectations that puts him in that musical straitjacket, and thus a perception from ignorant folk that he is a luddite who only listens to rock bands. But the evidence of much broader tastes is there scattered throughout his 23 years in the music industry. Maybe Holmes has encouraged Noel to shake off his inhibitions and allow himself to indulge in his influences not really associated with him? And it wouldn't be beyond the possibility of a hip hop artist working with Noel and Liam; the fact is their attitudes, outlook and upbringings are more closely aligned with hip hop acts than your beige rock acts today. Even Liam knows that! There's more of the Gallagher ethos in guys like Stormzy and Kanye than your NME hyped weedy indie rock bands - the rock stars of today aren't even rockers! No they don't. There is an NWA drum sample, but it's not the main drum pattern - it lasts for a few seconds during the solo and it's completely buried in the mix. It annoys me that it gets mentioned so much because it's a completely inconsequencial part of the song. Honestly, the sample is pointless. True, but put that in context. I think he made mention of this after the fact, but, had Noel made that comment prior to the release of “D’yer Know What I Mean,” there likely would have been buzz about Oasis’ next single possibly being a hip hop record, which is not much different than the current situation. Just a thought. Cheers.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 30, 2017 12:04:54 GMT -5
The fact that Noel Gallagher has cited Kanye West as an influence and even wanted to send him Fort Knox is a real sign that Noel has really leaped out of his comfort zone with this album. I really cannot believe what I'm reading. Noel has done things I wouldn't have thought he would've in his wildest dreams. Where was David Holmes when Noel needed him back in 1999? Don't the drums on D'You Know What I Mean replicate an NWA loop? I'm not into hip hop, rap or grime (other stylistic origins of hip hop etc) at all. Don't get me wrong, it's an unbelievable talent and skill but it's just not something I can connect to personally, but I respect it a great deal although I always find the story behind the stars more fascinating (the film Straight Outta Compton is excellent). The heavy instrumentation and rhythms is what appeals to me - probably about as far as what Liam talks about in the Noisey video when reviewing records; not really into the rapping, but the music is great. I'm not surprised that Noel has shown his appreciation - maybe while some morons scoff at the idea of him listening to Kanye West, he's always had a broader musical taste than popular opinion dictates. That's why he's a truly great songwriter because he can appreciate the nuances and complexity of many diverse acts and songs. It's that problem of feeling hemmed in by fanbase expectations that puts him in that musical straitjacket, and thus a perception from ignorant folk that he is a luddite who only listens to rock bands. But the evidence of much broader tastes is there scattered throughout his 23 years in the music industry. Maybe Holmes has encouraged Noel to shake off his inhibitions and allow himself to indulge in his influences not really associated with him? And it wouldn't be beyond the possibility of a hip hop artist working with Noel and Liam; the fact is their attitudes, outlook and upbringings are more closely aligned with hip hop acts than your beige rock acts today. Even Liam knows that! There's more of the Gallagher ethos in guys like Stormzy and Kanye than your NME hyped weedy indie rock bands - the rock stars of today aren't even rockers! You know, though I've heard many times that D'You Know What I Mean samples the drums from NWA's song Straight Outta Compton (and by extension, the famous Amen break), I've never heard it myself in the mix, either the original or the 2016 rethink! Granted, this is the BHN era we're talking about, so it's probably in there somewhere buried under a million guitar overdubs. But the arrogant swagger of the two songs is the same! Kanye West and Noel are a far better fit than most people on here realize. If you listen to stuff off The College Dropout (or any of West's albums, really) you'll see that Kanye has a real ear for melody and pop hooks that really recalls Noel. The main difference between them is that Kanye has been far more willing to branch out into different styles and try new things. Like 808s and Heartbreak, that was a major departure for Kanye that replaced rapping with his autotuned singing (trust me, the album sounds better than it does on paper!) but at the same time he invented modern R&B and encouraged other rappers to experiment. Luckily Noel seems to be catching up with Who Built the Moon. I've been afraid for years that Noel hates hip-hop because of what he said about Jay-Z while he was in Oasis. But as it turns out, the man's full or surprises that really shouldn't come as surprises given that this is the same man who released Teotihuacan!
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Post by mossy on Sept 30, 2017 12:13:02 GMT -5
Don't the drums on D'You Know What I Mean replicate an NWA loop? I'm not into hip hop, rap or grime (other stylistic origins of hip hop etc) at all. Don't get me wrong, it's an unbelievable talent and skill but it's just not something I can connect to personally, but I respect it a great deal although I always find the story behind the stars more fascinating (the film Straight Outta Compton is excellent). The heavy instrumentation and rhythms is what appeals to me - probably about as far as what Liam talks about in the Noisey video when reviewing records; not really into the rapping, but the music is great. I'm not surprised that Noel has shown his appreciation - maybe while some morons scoff at the idea of him listening to Kanye West, he's always had a broader musical taste than popular opinion dictates. That's why he's a truly great songwriter because he can appreciate the nuances and complexity of many diverse acts and songs. It's that problem of feeling hemmed in by fanbase expectations that puts him in that musical straitjacket, and thus a perception from ignorant folk that he is a luddite who only listens to rock bands. But the evidence of much broader tastes is there scattered throughout his 23 years in the music industry. Maybe Holmes has encouraged Noel to shake off his inhibitions and allow himself to indulge in his influences not really associated with him? And it wouldn't be beyond the possibility of a hip hop artist working with Noel and Liam; the fact is their attitudes, outlook and upbringings are more closely aligned with hip hop acts than your beige rock acts today. Even Liam knows that! There's more of the Gallagher ethos in guys like Stormzy and Kanye than your NME hyped weedy indie rock bands - the rock stars of today aren't even rockers! You know, though I've heard many times that D'You Know What I Mean samples the drums from NWA's song Straight Outta Compton (and by extension, the famous Amen break), I've never heard it myself in the mix, either the original or the 2016 rethink! Granted, this is the BHN era we're talking about, so it's probably in there somewhere buried under a million guitar overdubs. But the arrogant swagger of the two songs is the same! Kanye West and Noel are a far better fit than most people on here realize. If you listen to stuff off The College Dropout (or any of West's albums, really) you'll see that Kanye has a real ear for melody and pop hooks that really recalls Noel. The main difference between them is that Kanye has been far more willing to branch out into different styles and try new things. Like 808s and Heartbreak, that was a major departure for Kanye that replaced rapping with his autotuned singing (trust me, the album sounds better than it does on paper!) but at the same time he invented modern R&B and encouraged other rappers to experiment. Luckily Noel seems to be catching up with Who Built the Moon. I've been afraid for years that Noel hates hip-hop because of what he said about Jay-Z while he was in Oasis. But as it turns out, the man's full or surprises that really shouldn't come as surprises given that this is the same man who released Teotihuacan! Don't have headphones to check, only iPhone speaker, but I believe the NWA sample is just after 4 mins 50 seconds:
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 30, 2017 12:20:30 GMT -5
You know, though I've heard many times that D'You Know What I Mean samples the drums from NWA's song Straight Outta Compton (and by extension, the famous Amen break), I've never heard it myself in the mix, either the original or the 2016 rethink! Granted, this is the BHN era we're talking about, so it's probably in there somewhere buried under a million guitar overdubs. But the arrogant swagger of the two songs is the same! Kanye West and Noel are a far better fit than most people on here realize. If you listen to stuff off The College Dropout (or any of West's albums, really) you'll see that Kanye has a real ear for melody and pop hooks that really recalls Noel. The main difference between them is that Kanye has been far more willing to branch out into different styles and try new things. Like 808s and Heartbreak, that was a major departure for Kanye that replaced rapping with his autotuned singing (trust me, the album sounds better than it does on paper!) but at the same time he invented modern R&B and encouraged other rappers to experiment. Luckily Noel seems to be catching up with Who Built the Moon. I've been afraid for years that Noel hates hip-hop because of what he said about Jay-Z while he was in Oasis. But as it turns out, the man's full or surprises that really shouldn't come as surprises given that this is the same man who released Teotihuacan! Don't have headphones to check, only iPhone speaker, but I believe the NWA sample is just after 4 mins 50 seconds: Huh, that does sound a lot like a slowed-down Amen break. Can't believe I never noticed it!
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Post by mossy on Sept 30, 2017 12:26:51 GMT -5
Don't have headphones to check, only iPhone speaker, but I believe the NWA sample is just after 4 mins 50 seconds: Huh, that does sound a lot like a slowed-down Amen break. Can't believe I never noticed it! I can believe you never noticed it - it's completely pointless ;-)
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Sept 30, 2017 13:35:15 GMT -5
As I said, I like the vocal effects on Noel. The way they are manipulated means that the vocals don't stick out like a sore thumb and as a result, that ethereal vibes I picked up blend in well with the mood of the psychedelic instrumentation. I'm not the biggest fan of his voice, I think it's pleasant but over an entire album it doesn't have the charisma, panache and energy of Liam. One of the problems is that his voice never competes well against a big guitar sound and it sinks without a trace as he struggles badly I feel (Lock All The Doors is a chore to listen to). That said, on the stripped back tunes, his voice is lovely and clear, and the melancholy in his voice suits the more restrained High Flying Birds tracks (e.g. Death of You & Me, Broken Arrow demo, Dying of the Light demo) or indeed Oasis songs (Half The World Away, Talk Tonight). For this style of music however, mixing and distorting the vocals up a bit will do him wonders I hope. I'd disagree with this point. I think he can pull it off it's just something he unfortunately rarely tries or has passed the duty (often rightly) over to Liam. I think he does a much more solid job on both of these, particularly nailing the chorus on The Hindu Times: Setting Sun has a pretty big sound too and I don't think I've ever heard people criticise about his vocals on that. The problem with Lock All the Doors is that it's just piss-weak. Sounds like he turned the guitars up to a steady 5.
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Post by janedoe on Oct 1, 2017 0:35:47 GMT -5
I know what you mean, but my first impression was that it sounds more like Primal Scream, in a good way. I've been listening a lot to 'Chaosmosis' and 'More Light' recently and - judging from the snippets - Noel's new tunes wouldn't sound out of place on these albums. Yeah the previews kinda sound like those records although Primal Scream didn't drown their guitars and vocals in those silly 80s reverb and echo pedals. That's what i dislike about Noel latest efforts : the songs are there, the experimentation seems to have worked this time, but there's no need to hide everything with millions of effects. Recently, the lennon claypool delirium managed to make a pretty weird experimental record with a very dry sound, for instance. Reverb and echo is always a risk, coz you can end up sounding like Coldplay. Thank you for the Claypool Lennon Delirium mention. I've checked them out on Youtube. OMG how strange to hear Tomorrow Never Knows played live in 2016 with a Lennon vocal. Bought some legal stuff from iTunes too. I appreciate how this forum provides good insights into more-than-Oasis music
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