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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 26, 2017 17:06:24 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks that electronica or dance music is some modern, trendy, pop fad needs to fucking educate themselves. This stuff wasn't exactly visionary when Noel did it with The Chemical Brothers TWENTY FUCKING YEARS AGO. And that was an actual #1. I only hope Noel has made an album which bitterly disappoints anyone who thinks like that. Noel Electronica.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 26, 2017 17:07:05 GMT -5
It is pathetic, but then these people can't think for themselves and churn out what their heroes say without thinking twice (as evidenced by yer man above who didn't even know what 'beige' means). You see it everywhere in society today. Brexiteers, UKIPPERS, Daily Mail readers, Trump fans, Beliebers, etc. Mindless robots. At least Liam will have to stop using it on twitter now to describe Noel's musical output. The direction Noel has taken this time round is anything but beige. You think that will deter him? He's constantly said that no good music is made today and that is flat out wrong yet he's been doing that for over a decade plus. Liam Is gonna Liam.
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Post by matt on Sept 26, 2017 17:08:30 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks that electronica or dance music is some modern, trendy, pop fad needs to fucking educate themselves. This stuff wasn't exactly visionary when Noel did it with The Chemical Brothers TWENTY FUCKING YEARS AGO. And that was an actual #1. I only hope Noel has made an album which bitterly disappoints anyone who thinks like that. Couldn't put it better myself. And from what the odd objectors are saying, it's as if he's hired David fucking Guetta to produce his album. By the way, if Lennon & McCartney were around today as 20 something year olds, they'd be making electronic records.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 17:12:24 GMT -5
I´m pretty sure Jehnny Beth does vocals in one of the songs in the preview.
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 26, 2017 17:13:08 GMT -5
NOELTRONICA!
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Post by Godlike on Sept 26, 2017 17:19:26 GMT -5
Turn up the beige Rocking beige Let there be beige The nature of beige Keep the beige alive
I'll stop now..lol could go on for days
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 26, 2017 17:20:57 GMT -5
There wouldn't believe nearly as many people desperately clinging on to the "Oasis sound" and so resistant to new ideas had Noel managed a more radical and successful reinvention back in 2000 and avoided the self-parody that plagued his 00's albums. Less social media, less forum activity with less people online too. It would have kept public 'dissent' at a minimum. In today's social media self conscious age, I wonder if a band will ever take a u-turn as radical as Kid A? For a guy accused of being a luddite, Noel's shown some real guts in todays music world by taking what seems quite a drastic change in sound. Actually, there have been many radical u-turns that have been released in the social media age. Kanye's 808s and Heartbreak and Yeezus are prime examples of extremely brave albums that were major departures from previous work. Also, I've read articles that make the case that Kid A, divisive album that it was, was a success because of the rise of social media. Radiohead's marketing strategy of allowing fans to stream the album before the release date, and the ensuing debate between fans online about whether it was a masterpiece, created enough buzz that allowed Kid A to chart at number 1 in the US. So even if a divisive album invites a lot of negative opinions, as long as it gets enough people talking about it, in the end the attention it receives from social media may outweigh any reservations of self-consciousness that make bands want to play it safe. Just look at Taylor Swift's new songs. The media went absolutely crazy over how they were a lot darker than her previous output. And any claims of a radical shift in style will entice new people to sample tracks, and perhaps even hop on board. Surely that's good from any commercial standpoint?
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Post by Thomas on Sept 26, 2017 17:21:15 GMT -5
I´m pretty sure Jehnny Beth does vocals in one of the songs in the preview. Yes!!! The French spoken word voice sounded familiar to me since the very beginning. I hope it's her. Gotta love Jehnny.
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Post by Godlike on Sept 26, 2017 17:25:49 GMT -5
I think the direction he's going with this album is perfect for the times. I think this record might actually do better than the first 2, I prefer the more pure rock n roll sound but these kids now a days just wanna dance and jump around so if it's good with noel it's good with me. I'd love to see what these songs would sound like with liam singing them tho it might be mega
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Sept 26, 2017 17:28:04 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks that electronica or dance music is some modern, trendy, pop fad needs to fucking educate themselves. This stuff wasn't exactly visionary when Noel did it with The Chemical Brothers TWENTY FUCKING YEARS AGO. And that was an actual #1. I only hope Noel has made an album which bitterly disappoints anyone who thinks like that. Couldn't put it better myself. And from what the odd objectors are saying, it's as if he's hired David fucking Guetta to produce his album. By the way, if Lennon & McCartney were around today as 20 something year olds, they'd be making electronic records. The problem (at least for me) with electronic music in general is when heavy sound effects and production are used to cover a poor melody. We've seen enough popular rock/pop bands take that approach lately. I'm very happy if Noel writes to his standard and takes a fresh approach to sound - 2 out of the 3 songs we've heard in the trailer sound like that's what's happening. The song that's supposed to be the single sounds like a 2010s Coldplay song though which is the one thing I want Noel to avoid. And honestly, I hate how many fans of Noel's new sound act so utterly arrogant - as if their taste elevates them above the mindless masses who like the classic Oasis sound. People shouldn't hate the new stuff just because it's new but ridiculing dissidents is just as bad.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 26, 2017 17:30:40 GMT -5
For all the people who are saying that the clips are by far the worst shit that's ever touched their ears, there seems to be a quite warm reception from nearly everyone else on the forum. I've seen far more positive comments that exude excitement than negative ones full of dread. Maybe Who Built the Moon won't be as polarizing as I thought it would be. It may just turn out to be the most well-received album Noel's put out since WTSMG.
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Post by Grodoboldo on Sept 26, 2017 17:39:13 GMT -5
Wow, has it really been almost nine years since I first came to this forum?
Anyway, glad to be here again. You guys never change, thank god. Unlike Noel's sound, apparently. Really love the snipets, can't wait for the album.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 26, 2017 17:43:35 GMT -5
Take note of the largely positive reception, Noel! Good things happen when you take risks! Don't you ever again put out anything as laughable, derivative, or generic as The Good Rebel, Lock All the Doors, or The Girl with X-Ray Eyes!! Bring in new producers with new ideas! Step outside your comfort zone! In fact, never have a comfort zone ever again! Trust me, you'll win over new fans, and there'll always be the hardcore fans who'll follow you anywhere.
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Post by matt on Sept 26, 2017 17:52:11 GMT -5
Couldn't put it better myself. And from what the odd objectors are saying, it's as if he's hired David fucking Guetta to produce his album. By the way, if Lennon & McCartney were around today as 20 something year olds, they'd be making electronic records. The problem (at least for me) with electronic music in general is when heavy sound effects and production are used to cover a poor melody. We've seen enough popular rock/pop bands take that approach lately. I'm very happy if Noel writes to his standard and takes a fresh approach to sound - 2 out of the 3 songs we've heard in the trailer sound like that's what's happening. The song that's supposed to be the single sounds like a 2010s Coldplay song though which is the one thing I want Noel to avoid. And honestly, I hate how many fans of Noel's new sound act so utterly arrogant - as if their taste elevates them above the mindless masses who like the classic Oasis sound. People shouldn't hate the new stuff just because it's new but ridiculing dissidents is just as bad. I love melody as much as the next person, one of my favourite new acts is Alvvays who are just pure melodic pop. But I don't get why every piece of music has to be be melodic. Again, because I'm most clued up on them and they are a good example, U2 went back to writing strong melodies after the very unmelodic Pop. But there's no way for me that All That You Can't Leave Behind is better than Pop. Because Pop's rhythmic variance and Bono's moodier vocals fires the imagination more than any sunny and pretty melody on Leave Behind. And I think Kid A is the greatest Radiohead album by far because the cold dark electronics and distant, almost monotonous vocals convey Thom Yorke's isolated and depressed mood better than any sophisticated arrangement and melody could ever do on OK Computer and The Bends from previously (as great as those albums are). It's all about conveying a mood and music is more than just a melody, and it's great to see Noel expand on that idea as he certainly wasn't getting any evocative sonic qualities from lumpen producers like Dave Sardy. And I don't hear the Coldplay comparison at all in the Beautiful World clip - Coldplay have never been psychedelic, and this is far more mystical than the bubblegum pap of latter Coldplay. Simply using modern instrumentation should not be seen as synthetic in the way that Coldplay and their fellow modern chart acts do. The instrumentation and pace of Coldplay's instrumentation has never been the real issue anyhow, rather more Chris Martin's turn from quite thoughtful frontman to his incessant overbearing presence in songs, becoming like that irritating, yelping, and attention seeking little twat at school. Noel's vocals are showing far more restraint from these clips. He blends in well with the psychedelic wonders going on around him rather than killing it with an overbearing presence.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 18:02:15 GMT -5
Im afraid he might be disconnecting with his base. Young kids want new stuff, not an old rocker in his fifties trying to be trendie.
He would do a far better job than anything thats is current on the radio because he is an awsome writter but it wont matter.
At the same time Liam comes with a fan service album. A sound that the random oasis fan/ guy in his thirties feels comfortable with (besides the educated members of this forum and a decent public target) .
So Who is going to sell the arenas? Im on board for some nostalgia.
My money is on rkid.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 26, 2017 18:05:52 GMT -5
I really hope Noel eventually releases an album in the vein of Spirit of Eden. No, I'm not kidding.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 26, 2017 18:06:31 GMT -5
Im afraid he might be disconnecting with his base. Young kids want new stuff, not an old rocker in his fifties trying to be trendie. He would do a far better job than anything thats is current on the radio because he is an awsome writter but it wont matter. At the same time Liam comes with a fan service album. A sound that the random oasis fan/ guy in his thirties feels comfortable with (besides the educated members of this forum) . So Who is going to sell the arenas? Im on board for some nostalgia. My money is on rkid. Shit. Better go tell Noel because he's playing like 8 arenas.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 18:09:56 GMT -5
Im afraid he might be disconnecting with his base. Young kids want new stuff, not an old rocker in his fifties trying to be trendie. He would do a far better job than anything thats is current on the radio because he is an awsome writter but it wont matter. At the same time Liam comes with a fan service album. A sound that the random oasis fan/ guy in his thirties feels comfortable with (besides the educated members of this forum) . So Who is going to sell the arenas? Im on board for some nostalgia. My money is on rkid. Shit. Better go tell Noel because he's playing like 8 arenas. then good for him. But are this tickets being sold in his big name and the classics he might play or on this space rock shit? Who knows! (Yeah, I know its not technicaly "space rock")
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 26, 2017 18:10:37 GMT -5
Shit. Better go tell Noel because he's playing like 8 arenas. then good for him. But are this tickets sold in his big name and the classics he might play or on this space rock shit? Who knows! (Yeah, I know its not technicaly "space rock") its space jazz for fucks sake!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 18:13:07 GMT -5
Im afraid he might be disconnecting with his base. Young kids want new stuff, not an old rocker in his fifties trying to be trendie. He would do a far better job than anything thats is current on the radio because he is an awsome writter but it wont matter. At the same time Liam comes with a fan service album. A sound that the random oasis fan/ guy in his thirties feels comfortable with (besides the educated members of this forum) . So Who is going to sell the arenas? Im on board for some nostalgia. My money is on rkid. Shit. Better go tell Noel because he's playing like 8 arenas. Those 8 arenas want Wonderwall, Don't Look Back in Anger and Whatever. 90% (or maybe even more) would go home disappointed if they didn't hear one of them. If Liam didn't play any Oasis songs no way it would be this succesfull. Of course there would be some interest for new material and his comeback (Beady Eye and Noel in 2011 too, Noel did a better job with giving the audience what they really wanted: Oasis songs).
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Post by cleanprophet on Sept 26, 2017 18:25:21 GMT -5
I really hope Noel eventually releases an album in the vein of Spirit of Eden. No, I'm not kidding. Haha no one here listens to talk talk. I’d love that too though.
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Post by matt on Sept 26, 2017 18:33:24 GMT -5
Im afraid he might be disconnecting with his base. Young kids want new stuff, not an old rocker in his fifties trying to be trendie. He would do a far better job than anything thats is current on the radio because he is an awsome writter but it wont matter. At the same time Liam comes with a fan service album. A sound that the random oasis fan/ guy in his thirties feels comfortable with (besides the educated members of this forum and a decent public target) . So Who is going to sell the arenas? Im on board for some nostalgia. My money is on rkid. I mean, keeping to the same old traditional sound time and time and time again (the only music that, allegedly, "guys in their thirties feel comfortable with") is the only way forward. It means being huge and selling shitloads of albums. Worked for Beady Eye didn't it - they had chart toppers everywhere and their albums sold by the bucketloads. I seem to recall them getting to play stadiums too with their nostalgia infused music.... Also incredible to think that only those who stubbornly stick to a genre of rock music and nothing else are "educated people". Who'd have thought it? It's obvious of course - Dave Berry, Tim Lovejoy and Chris Moyles are all geniuses after all...
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Post by glider on Sept 26, 2017 18:36:41 GMT -5
We deserved an electronic rock album in 2002 - not Heathen Chemistry. After hearing Scorpio Rising, there was no reason for Don't Believe The Truth to be the boring stroll in the mid 2000s MOR Britrock park that it was.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 26, 2017 18:39:09 GMT -5
I really hope Noel eventually releases an album in the vein of Spirit of Eden. No, I'm not kidding. Haha no one here listens to talk talk. I’d love that too though. I actually discovered Spirit of Eden on here after somebody said that they were a huge influence on early Verve. That's both correct and very misleading, as no band that I've heard has ever been able to replicate what Talk Talk did on their last two albums. But yeah, Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock are two of my all-time favorite albums, even if I still have trouble appreciating some parts of Laughing Stock because it's so bizarre and impenetrable. Noel, please listen to these albums if you haven't already, and learn their two lessons: less is more, and your most compelling music is often your most spontaneous.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 26, 2017 18:43:28 GMT -5
I mean, keeping to the same old traditional sound time and time and time again (the only music that, allegedly, "guys in their thirties feel comfortable with") means being huge and selling shitloads of albums. Worked for Beady Eye didn't it - they had chart toppers everywhere and their albums sold by the bucketloads. I seem to recall them getting to play stadiums too with their nostalgia infused music....This. The whole 'target demographic' is a now outdated concept from even my days in it never mind the 80's and before, and the idea that a certain sound will automatically connect with people of a particular age or gender is laughable to me. I can still remember industry people saying Coldplay (remember them? ) would never sell as many records as Toploader and Terris because it's members and sound didn't have mass appeal or looks Hindsight is easy but the point is you can create a record with an image and sound, have a lot of money thrown at it and still bomb, and equally as Noel's own contemporaries such as Radiohead have proved create something unexpected and capture the attention of the wider public. I'm personally looking forward to both albums but I wouldn't like to pick the eventual winner in terms of sales and touring receipts.
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