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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 18:44:36 GMT -5
Im afraid he might be disconnecting with his base. Young kids want new stuff, not an old rocker in his fifties trying to be trendie. He would do a far better job than anything thats is current on the radio because he is an awsome writter but it wont matter. At the same time Liam comes with a fan service album. A sound that the random oasis fan/ guy in his thirties feels comfortable with (besides the educated members of this forum and a decent public target) . So Who is going to sell the arenas? Im on board for some nostalgia. My money is on rkid. I mean, keeping to the same old traditional sound time and time and time again (the only music that, allegedly, "guys in their thirties feel comfortable with") is the only way forward. It means being huge and selling shitloads of albums. Worked for Beady Eye didn't it - they had chart toppers everywhere and their albums sold by the bucketloads. I seem to recall them getting to play stadiums too with their nostalgia infused music.... Also incredible to think that only those who stubbornly stick to a genre of rock music and nothing else are "educated people". Who'd have thought it? It's obvious of course - Dave Berry, Tim Lovejoy and Chris Moyles are all geniuses... I dont consider myself an educated listner and I dont pretend to be one. You got my post all the other way round. I just think the bulk of the gallagher brothers public aint open minded listeners either. Beady eye was a big failure. Theres nothing to discuss there. And not playing any oasis songs combined with shitty tunes was a big part of it. Noel is in my opinion not going to buy any new public with this move and he might end up disconected with his base. Anyway, if he is happy with his work then good for him. I guess the public is gonna encore all the moon chorus.
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Post by fj on Sept 26, 2017 18:45:17 GMT -5
I believe the Coldplay comparison applies, especially the third clip. It sounds a lot like Chinese Sleep Chant (from Viva La Vida) to me.
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Post by element103 on Sept 26, 2017 18:50:17 GMT -5
Buzzing from the clips. Buzzing.
On the slim chance that anyone important lurks here, to Noel:
Oasis were amazing. They mattered in the 90s. Leave the ABC rock to the kid bro now, it's got no reach. More gambles. More new sounds. More records. Record, release, don't worry. Less time touring. Tour two albums at once if necessary.
Vive la difference.
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Post by matt on Sept 26, 2017 18:50:22 GMT -5
I mean, keeping to the same old traditional sound time and time and time again (the only music that, allegedly, "guys in their thirties feel comfortable with") is the only way forward. It means being huge and selling shitloads of albums. Worked for Beady Eye didn't it - they had chart toppers everywhere and their albums sold by the bucketloads. I seem to recall them getting to play stadiums too with their nostalgia infused music.... Also incredible to think that only those who stubbornly stick to a genre of rock music and nothing else are "educated people". Who'd have thought it? It's obvious of course - Dave Berry, Tim Lovejoy and Chris Moyles are all geniuses... I dont consider myself an educated listner and I dont pretend to be one. You got my post all the other way round. I just think the bulk of the gallagher brothers public aint open minded listeners either. Beady eye was a big failure. Theres nothing to discuss there. And not playing any oasis songs combined with shitty tunes was a big part of it. Noel is in my opinion not going to buy any new public with this move and he might end up disconected with his base. Anyway, if he is happy with his work then good for him. I guess the public is gonna encore all the moon chorus. The work of a great artist is someone who doesn't think about the fanbase. Noel wrote a large bulk of the classic Oasis songs prior to being famous, and didn't yet have an audience so there's no way he was writing for anyone but himself at that time. The minute Noel started giving a fuck, that's when he started writing shit songs - I.e. songs that people wanted him to write. But whatever, if you think songwriters should only pander to what they are expected to write, then music would never have moved on from campfire singalongs.
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Post by glider on Sept 26, 2017 18:51:24 GMT -5
I believe the Coldplay comparison applies, especially the third clip. It sounds a lot like Chinese Sleep Chant (from Viva La Vida) to me. Shooooooooegazeeeeeeeeee
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Post by Plantpot on Sept 26, 2017 18:53:47 GMT -5
I believe the Coldplay comparison applies, especially the third clip. It sounds a lot like Chinese Sleep Chant (from Viva La Vida) to me. Shooooooooegazeeeeeeeeee Noelplay?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 18:58:30 GMT -5
I dont consider myself an educated listner and I dont pretend to be one. You got my post all the other way round. I just think the bulk of the gallagher brothers public aint open minded listeners either. Beady eye was a big failure. Theres nothing to discuss there. And not playing any oasis songs combined with shitty tunes was a big part of it. Noel is in my opinion not going to buy any new public with this move and he might end up disconected with his base. Anyway, if he is happy with his work then good for him. I guess the public is gonna encore all the moon chorus. The work of a great artist is someone who doesn't think about the fanbase. Noel wrote a large bulk of the classic Oasis songs prior to being famous, and didn't yet have an audience so there's no way he was writing for anyone but himself at that time. The minute Noel started giving a fuck, that's when he started writing shit songs - I.e. songs that people wanted him to write. right. I forgot people are stupid (trump voters, breixters and your name called random groups you dont agree). In order not to write shitty songs noel should not give a fuck to what "people" want (I dont even think theres such a thing as "people") and insted he should listen to what the educated fan elite you have the luck to belong to wants!
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 26, 2017 19:07:04 GMT -5
The work of a great artist is someone who doesn't think about the fanbase. Noel wrote a large bulk of the classic Oasis songs prior to being famous, and didn't yet have an audience so there's no way he was writing for anyone but himself at that time. The minute Noel started giving a fuck, that's when he started writing shit songs - I.e. songs that people wanted him to write. right. I forgot people are stupid (trump voters, breixters and your name called random groups you dont agree). In order not to write shitty songs noel should not give a fuck to what "people" want (I dont even think theres such a thing as "people") and insted he should listen to what the educated fan elite you have the luck to belong to wants! Honestly, one of the best things about Oasis's golden years was that they didn't give a fuck what people thought. Their independent attitude was one of the reasons people loved them so much.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 26, 2017 19:07:32 GMT -5
Im afraid he might be disconnecting with his base. Young kids want new stuff, not an old rocker in his fifties trying to be trendie. He would do a far better job than anything thats is current on the radio because he is an awsome writter but it wont matter. At the same time Liam comes with a fan service album. A sound that the random oasis fan/ guy in his thirties feels comfortable with (besides the educated members of this forum and a decent public target) . So Who is going to sell the arenas? Im on board for some nostalgia. My money is on rkid. I mean, keeping to the same old traditional sound time and time and time again (the only music that, allegedly, "guys in their thirties feel comfortable with") is the only way forward. It means being huge and selling shitloads of albums. Worked for Beady Eye didn't it - they had chart toppers everywhere and their albums sold by the bucketloads. I seem to recall them getting to play stadiums too with their nostalgia infused music.... Also incredible to think that only those who stubbornly stick to a genre of rock music and nothing else are "educated people". Who'd have thought it? It's obvious of course - Dave Berry, Tim Lovejoy and Chris Moyles are all geniuses after all... Retro can be great, BJM are a good example of that but they have expanded there sound in amongst those moments. The bottom line is it doesn't really matter what you do as long as you do it well. I personally can't wait for Noel trying something a bit different, its very promising but its getting a bit dull Matt you acting like fans of a more traditional sound are beneath you. You behave the same, just in reverse.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 26, 2017 19:09:25 GMT -5
Couldn't put it better myself. And from what the odd objectors are saying, it's as if he's hired David fucking Guetta to produce his album. By the way, if Lennon & McCartney were around today as 20 something year olds, they'd be making electronic records. The problem (at least for me) with electronic music in general is when heavy sound effects and production are used to cover a poor melody. We've seen enough popular rock/pop bands take that approach lately. I'm very happy if Noel writes to his standard and takes a fresh approach to sound - 2 out of the 3 songs we've heard in the trailer sound like that's what's happening. The song that's supposed to be the single sounds like a 2010s Coldplay song though which is the one thing I want Noel to avoid. And honestly, I hate how many fans of Noel's new sound act so utterly arrogant - as if their taste elevates them above the mindless masses who like the classic Oasis sound. People shouldn't hate the new stuff just because it's new but ridiculing dissidents is just as bad. Yeah I should have just quoted this rather than writing anything myself
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 19:11:32 GMT -5
right. I forgot people are stupid (trump voters, breixters and your name called random groups you dont agree). In order not to write shitty songs noel should not give a fuck to what "people" want (I dont even think theres such a thing as "people") and insted he should listen to what the educated fan elite you have the luck to belong to wants! Honestly, one of the best things about Oasis's golden years was that they didn't give a fuck what people thought. Their independent attitude was one of the reasons people loved them so much. they were leaders, not followers. You are right on that.
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Post by matt on Sept 26, 2017 19:16:26 GMT -5
I mean, keeping to the same old traditional sound time and time and time again (the only music that, allegedly, "guys in their thirties feel comfortable with") is the only way forward. It means being huge and selling shitloads of albums. Worked for Beady Eye didn't it - they had chart toppers everywhere and their albums sold by the bucketloads. I seem to recall them getting to play stadiums too with their nostalgia infused music.... Also incredible to think that only those who stubbornly stick to a genre of rock music and nothing else are "educated people". Who'd have thought it? It's obvious of course - Dave Berry, Tim Lovejoy and Chris Moyles are all geniuses after all... Retro can be great, BJM are a good example of that but they have expanded there sound in amongst those moments. The bottom line is it doesn't really matter what you do as long as you do it well. I personally can't wait for Noel trying something a bit different, its very promising but its getting a bit dull Matt you acting like fans of a more traditional sound are beneath you. You behave the same, just in reverse. Erm, where did I say that? You've completely missed the point of my post, that to stick rigidly to one sound to appease a certain section of people does NOT guarantee success or athe continued support of a certain demograph.
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Post by seanrulesrh on Sept 26, 2017 19:19:56 GMT -5
Yesterday I read somewhere that the japanese edition had another track. Can someone tell me if its truth?
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Post by matt on Sept 26, 2017 19:21:00 GMT -5
The work of a great artist is someone who doesn't think about the fanbase. Noel wrote a large bulk of the classic Oasis songs prior to being famous, and didn't yet have an audience so there's no way he was writing for anyone but himself at that time. The minute Noel started giving a fuck, that's when he started writing shit songs - I.e. songs that people wanted him to write. right. I forgot people are stupid (trump voters, breixters and your name called random groups you dont agree). In order not to write shitty songs noel should not give a fuck to what "people" want (I dont even think theres such a thing as "people") and insted he should listen to what the educated fan elite you have the luck to belong to wants! Songwriters do not write songs for other people. They write songs them for themselves in the hope that other people get it. And if their emotions are sincere then people will inevitably connect. But if you are writing for other people - I.e. fans - then that's when it becomes contrived and inauthentic. And then the album sales dwindle. Just like it did for Oasis...
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Post by Manualex on Sept 26, 2017 19:24:05 GMT -5
Yesterday I read somewhere that the japanese edition had another track. Can someone tell me if its truth? The deluxe versión has Dead on the water and the Japanese versión has God help us all(that from LDSMD dvd) and a DVD that no one knows what's in it.
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Post by glider on Sept 26, 2017 19:25:29 GMT -5
Noel singing songs like X Marks the Spot and Fun gives me the creeps.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 26, 2017 19:25:35 GMT -5
Retro can be great, BJM are a good example of that but they have expanded there sound in amongst those moments. The bottom line is it doesn't really matter what you do as long as you do it well. I personally can't wait for Noel trying something a bit different, its very promising but its getting a bit dull Matt you acting like fans of a more traditional sound are beneath you. You behave the same, just in reverse. Erm, where did I say that? You've completely missed the point of my post, that to stick rigidly to one sound to appease a certain section of people does NOT guarantee success or athe continued support of a certain demograph. I don't want any artist to be a jukebox although I'm not sure how relevant that is as I don't believe Noel has ever done that too much but no, it doesn't make success certain. Its your general attitude posting in here or in Liam's section.
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Sept 26, 2017 19:28:01 GMT -5
Buzzing from the clips. Buzzing. Vive la difference. Not enamored with the clips. Liking the third one though. I'm that old school guy but, willing to give this a chance. This is something folks on here have been clamoring about for a while. Be interesting to see how he pulls this off live. Bring it. Vive la difference.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 19:29:42 GMT -5
right. I forgot people are stupid (trump voters, breixters and your name called random groups you dont agree). In order not to write shitty songs noel should not give a fuck to what "people" want (I dont even think theres such a thing as "people") and insted he should listen to what the educated fan elite you have the luck to belong to wants! Songwriters do not write songs for other people. They write songs them for themselves in the hope that other people get it. And if their emotions are sincere then people will inevitably connect. But if you are writing for other people - I.e. fans - then that's when it becomes contrived and inauthentic. And then the album sales dwindle. Just like it did for Oasis... most of the rubbish that is being succesful today is unauthentic and being written for a target trendie audience. I lost your point. I hardly think it has anything to do with succes or sales, and I just give it a value from an artistic point of view.
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Post by matt on Sept 26, 2017 19:30:28 GMT -5
Erm, where did I say that? You've completely missed the point of my post, that to stick rigidly to one sound to appease a certain section of people does NOT guarantee success or athe continued support of a certain demograph. I don't want any artist to be a jukebox although I'm not sure how relevant that is as I don't believe Noel has ever done that too much but no, it doesn't make success certain. Its your general attitude posting in here or in Liam's section. Christ almighty, what have I said now about Liam's solo album? O_ow
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Post by seanrulesrh on Sept 26, 2017 19:33:00 GMT -5
Yesterday I read somewhere that the japanese edition had another track. Can someone tell me if its truth? The deluxe versión has Dead on the water and the Japanese versión has God help us all(that from LDSMD dvd) and a DVD that no one knows what's in it. OH FUCK. THE DVD. I hope I think I know whats in there lads!!!!! What about the acoustic concert where he played WTSRTS and Riverman? There was cameras in there! If its the concert,im definitely buying that. or...maybe is just a making off lol. So officially we can say this is the first demo that we can hear from the album
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Post by matt on Sept 26, 2017 19:35:21 GMT -5
Songwriters do not write songs for other people. They write songs them for themselves in the hope that other people get it. And if their emotions are sincere then people will inevitably connect. But if you are writing for other people - I.e. fans - then that's when it becomes contrived and inauthentic. And then the album sales dwindle. Just like it did for Oasis... most of the rubbish that is being succesful today is unauthentic and being written for a target trendie audience. But thats what I mean and I believe that applies to Noel at his worst. Yes, it isn't anywhere bad like the manufactured crap in the charts, but his later attempts to write 'reach for the sky' euphoric choruses come off as cheap and gimmicky in an attempt to recreate old magic that he believes is what his fans want. When he's not thinking like that, he can be a bit more free and creative, and naturally, more authentic.
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Post by oasis6 on Sept 26, 2017 19:41:16 GMT -5
This is a great time to do something different. The thing is, if Noel has been writing for his fans / keeping it safe, being on this board for a decade, I've learned that his fans just don't like his music like they did in the 90s. They consensus seems to dislike Liam even more (I think too much, but that is for another thread), and he has been the king of keeping it safe. So if his fans are complaining, which they have been since 1998, well if he wants to do something for them, he should change it up.
I really look at some Chasing Yesterday elements (including the album title) and see or hear it as a call with Noel basically saying, as much as I want to be 90s, I can't anymore because times have change. You Know We Can't Go Back, the lyric "I was told, the streets were paved with gold and there'd be no time for getting old when we were young" all scream this. He can try as he may to be 90s Noel, but its too late. As he said, he's no longer a young man on the dole, he's a rich old man with a family. The tunes we long for just won't come naturally like that anymore. Time to change.
Another example I'll use is George Harrison. Now I could be wrong, but going over his discography, All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World were praised and they worked well with the times. Not too sure about Dark Horse but the vocals alone make it a different story. But by Extra Texture, it seemed like it was the same old George but the quality had dropped and musical tastes were also changing. His late 70s and early 80s albums were less heralded because of this, and it wasn't until Cloud Nine where he changed his sound to fit the times, even though he was probably mentally still stuck in the late 60s/early 70s, but it was a success.
And when the Beatles Anthology came out, I think there was some disappointment over Free As a Bird and Real Love, with people probably expecting some I wanna Hold Your Hands. These were now 50 year old men in the 90s, not 20 year old boys in the 60s. An attempt at I wanna Hold Your Hand at that point would have been brutal.
Noel is here now, even though deep down I still have this feel/hope that Liam and Noel could reunite for one more nostalgic album, I also know that if we haven't gotten it yet, it means it is too late and it will never happen. Change is good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 19:43:32 GMT -5
most of the rubbish that is being succesful today is unauthentic and being written for a target trendie audience. But thats what I mean and I believe that applies to Noel at his worst. Yes, it isn't anywhere bad like the manufactured crap in the charts, but his later attempts to write 'reach for the sky' euphoric choruses come off as cheap and gimmicky in an attempt to recreate old magic that he believes is what his fans want. When he's not thinking like that, he can be a bit more free and creative, and naturally, more authentic. I guess at least we ended up having a civic conversation. Thats good. Lets wait and see how this goes. Ill be buying liams album and borrowing noels.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 19:52:26 GMT -5
This is a great time to do something different. The thing is, if Noel has been writing for his fans / keeping it safe, being on this board for a decade, I've learned that his fans just don't like his music like they did in the 90s. They consensus seems to dislike Liam even more (I think too much, but that is for another thread), and he has been the king of keeping it safe. So if his fans are complaining, which they have been since 1998, well if he wants to do something for them, he should change it up. I really look at some Chasing Yesterday elements (including the album title) and see or hear it as a call with Noel basically saying, as much as I want to be 90s, I can't anymore because times have change. You Know We Can't Go Back, the lyric "I was told, the streets were paved with gold and there'd be no time for getting old when we were young" all scream this. He can try as he may to be 90s Noel, but its too late. As he said, he's no longer a young man on the dole, he's a rich old man with a family. The tunes we long for just won't come naturally like that anymore. Time to change. Another example I'll use is George Harrison. Now I could be wrong, but going over his discography, All Things Must Pass and Living in the Material World were praised and they worked well with the times. Not too sure about Dark Horse but the vocals alone make it a different story. But by Extra Texture, it seemed like it was the same old George but the quality had dropped and musical tastes were also changing. His late 70s and early 80s albums were less heralded because of this, and it wasn't until Cloud Nine where he changed his sound to fit the times, even though he was probably mentally still stuck in the late 60s/early 70s, but it was a success. And when the Beatles Anthology came out, I think there was some disappointment over Free As a Bird and Real Love, with people probably expecting some I wanna Hold Your Hands. These were now 50 year old men in the 90s, not 20 year old boys in the 60s. An attempt at I wanna Hold Your Hand at that point would have been brutal. Noel is here now, even though deep down I still have this feel/hope that Liam and Noel could reunite for one more nostalgic album, I also know that if we haven't gotten it yet, it means it is too late and it will never happen. Change is good. I think its not a rule written in stone. Some bands and artists manage to bring the same but renueved with succes (foo fighters?) and others change their sound in new directions with succes like damon albarn Many had tryed new stuff and failed miserably and only got to shine again when they got back to their roots (the offspring?) And others are just fine by always doing the same.
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