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Post by matt on Jul 29, 2017 7:19:00 GMT -5
And I agree with them. I know that AF is always working hard on every album and that they think about every detail. So I was really careful and altough I knew on first listen that something isn't right, I listened to this album over and over again until I finally admitted to myself that this album is shit. Not ok but worse than other AF albums, not average but shit. When you are biggest band in the world and you have 4 years to write 10 songs and half of them are shit, and it's not like that second half is 100% brilliant, then it is time to call things with right name. Critics would destroy Oasis if they released something like that. We are making fun of Little James after so many years but things like ''Maybe there's a good God, damn'' are much worse than that. And that's not even the worst song on this album. And I was really in the mood for this album after hearing EN and CC. How can you compare the post 2000 mostly diabolical Oasis records (especially aural diarrhoea like Little James) to this? Especially on a lyrical level - it doesn't come close to the depravities of Little James or I Can See A Liar. I've seen mediocre reviews for this album, but christ, it's not that bad. Although flawed, Everything Now is still light years ahead of that all that dad rock mush Oasis released in the 2000s. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 29, 2017 7:27:17 GMT -5
And I agree with them. I know that AF is always working hard on every album and that they think about every detail. So I was really careful and altough I knew on first listen that something isn't right, I listened to this album over and over again until I finally admitted to myself that this album is shit. Not ok but worse than other AF albums, not average but shit. When you are biggest band in the world and you have 4 years to write 10 songs and half of them are shit, and it's not like that second half is 100% brilliant, then it is time to call things with right name. Critics would destroy Oasis if they released something like that. We are making fun of Little James after so many years but things like ''Maybe there's a good God, damn'' are much worse than that. And that's not even the worst song on this album. And I was really in the mood for this album after hearing EN and CC. How can you compare the post 2000 mostly diabolical Oasis records (especially aural diarrhoea like Little James) to this? Especially on a lyrical level - it doesn't come close to the depravities of Little James or I Can See A Liar. I've seen mediocre reviews for this album, but christ, it's not that bad. Although flawed, Everything Now is still light years ahead of that all that dad rock mush Oasis released in the 2000s. Erhm, because that's my opinion? |
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Post by matt on Jul 29, 2017 7:57:13 GMT -5
How can you compare the post 2000 mostly diabolical Oasis records (especially aural diarrhoea like Little James) to this? Especially on a lyrical level - it doesn't come close to the depravities of Little James or I Can See A Liar. I've seen mediocre reviews for this album, but christ, it's not that bad. Although flawed, Everything Now is still light years ahead of that all that dad rock mush Oasis released in the 2000s. Erhm, because that's my opinion? Well I think it's wrong to say critics would slate Oasis if they released something like this. Critics (and many fans) were actively screaming for Oasis to do something ambitious when their songs became tuneless lumpen three chord songs. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 29, 2017 9:21:48 GMT -5
Erhm, because that's my opinion? Well I think it's wrong to say critics would slate Oasis if they released something like this. Critics (and many fans) were actively screaming for Oasis to do something ambitious when their songs became tuneless lumpen three chord songs. I don't think that something like EN is ambitious. Or modern. EN is like modern, ambitious record and Oasis were like 3 chords Beatles tribute band stuck in the past. Arcade Fire is writing 70s songs, they are using keyboards and computers and loops and now, that is like modern, in 2017. When was that modern and ambitious, 40 years ago? If we are talking about production and sounds, SOTSOG, DBTT and DOYS were like 60s records recorded in 21st century with few new tricks and few new modern sounds just like EN record from 70s recorded in 2017 with few new recording tricks and few new modern sounds. To me, it's the same shit, but if to someone making 70s record in 2017 is ambitious and making 60s is not, ok, I respect that. If we are talking about lyrics, they are not very good or shit, whichever you prefer, just like on on most Oasis songs from this century. If we are talking about songs, 3 or 4 songs from EN, in my opinion are worse than anything Oasis ever released. Probably All In My Mind is, to me, better and more ambitious than Infinite Content. There are few great songs, just like there are few great songs on every Oasis album. And concept of EN is worse than concept of any Oasis album. And Oasis sometimes didn't have any concept but that was even better than this. I really don't like something like Good God Damn but that song has its place, I just wish that song was little better. This album was very close to have his own unique sound , and few first songs and last few songs really sound like part of some modern disco concept album but wtf they did Peter Pan, Chemistry, Infinite Content and Infinite_Content? I feel like they are trolling us. NME gave this album 10/10, Pitchfork 5.6 and everybody are shocked now because of that but when they gave, for example, DOYS 4.9 that was ok, that is 60s tribute band playing 3 chords and Infinite Content is 5343 chords masterpiece, how dare they? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 10:05:45 GMT -5
Well, I've listened to it again. 2 times. And now, I can easily say it's their weakest. By far. I hear and read that it's an ambitious record but for me, it falls flat.
The biggest problem is that it lacks of songs. It seems like they tried to cover it up but it doesn't work.
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Post by matt on Jul 29, 2017 10:18:20 GMT -5
Well I think it's wrong to say critics would slate Oasis if they released something like this. Critics (and many fans) were actively screaming for Oasis to do something ambitious when their songs became tuneless lumpen three chord songs. I don't think that something like EN is ambitious. Or modern. EN is like modern, ambitious record and Oasis were like 3 chords Beatles tribute band stuck in the past. Arcade Fire is writing 70s songs, they are using keyboards and computers and loops and now, that is like modern, in 2017. When was that modern and ambitious, 40 years ago? If we are talking about production and sounds, SOTSOG, DBTT and DOYS were like 60s records recorded in 21st century with few new tricks and few new modern sounds just like EN record from 70s recorded in 2017 with few new recording tricks and few new modern sounds. To me, it's the same shit, but if to someone making 70s record in 2017 is ambitious and making 60s is not, ok, I respect that. If we are talking about lyrics, they are not very good or shit, whichever you prefer, just like on on most Oasis songs from this century. If we are talking about songs, 3 or 4 songs from EN, in my opinion are worse than anything Oasis ever released. Probably All In My Mind is, to me, better and more ambitious than Infinite Content. There are few great songs, just like there are few great songs on every Oasis album. And concept of EN is worse than concept of any Oasis album. And Oasis sometimes didn't have any concept but that was even better than this. I really don't like something like Good God Damn but that song has its place, I just wish that song was little better. This album was very close to have his own unique sound , and few first songs and last few songs really sound like part of some modern disco concept album but wtf they did Peter Pan, Chemistry, Infinite Content and Infinite_Content? I feel like they are trolling us. NME gave this album 10/10, Pitchfork 5.6 and everybody are shocked now because of that but when they gave, for example, DOYS 4.9 that was ok, that is 60s tribute band playing 3 chords and Infinite Content is 5343 chords masterpiece, how dare they? Musically there's no comparison. Arcade Fire are still streets ahead here, there's far more nuances to this recording than the beige sounds of Oasis after the 90s. Oasis were not replicating 60s music - if they were true Beatles nuts for example, they'd surely realise the complexities in recordings like Sgt Pepper. Oasis were the complete opposite of many visionary 60s bands in that they merely ended up plugging in their guitars and only going as complex as playing barre chords. The sad fact is that that type of boring turgid guitar music merely set the trend of indie landfill like Catfish and the Bottlemen (who hired Dave Sardy on the basis of being 'inspired' by Dont Believe The Truth - I found a biro down the back of my sofa this afternoon, which was a more enlightening experience than listening to that album). There's instrumentation, guitar lines, bass lines, rhythms and beats more varied in this Arcade Fire album than all of Oasis post-2000 material put together. Lyrically still, I'd rather have a concept that doesn't quite come off as opposed to the numerous tired Beatles references, 'blow my minds' and word salad of Noel's songwriting after 2000. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 29, 2017 13:21:29 GMT -5
Listened to it in the car twice today and it's really grown on me. This is actually a really, really good album - just not great like all the others. Everything Now, Creature Comfort, Put Your Money on Me, and We Don't Deserve Love are in their all-time top tier. Signs of Life and Electric Blue are great too, and I really like Peter Pan. The rest are all just good - ok, Arcade Fire should do better than them - but still good. The ending is STUNNING. Overall a strong 7.5/8, one of my favourites of the year.
Comparing it to records like Heathen Chemistry and Don't Believe the Truth is a fucking joke.
Everything_Now = 10 (as an intro)
Everything Now = 10
Signs of Life = 8
Creature Comfort = 10
Peter Pan = 7.5
Chemistry = 6 (should end a LOT sooner]
Infinite Content Combined = 7.5
Electric Blue = 8
Good God Damn = 6 (needs a better chorus)
Put Your Money on Me = 10
We Don't Deserve Love = 10
Everything Now (Continued) = 10
I quite the lyrics too (bar Chemistry and a few lines here and there), Arcade Fire have always been preachy - ok, it was more poetic on The Suburbs for example, but it still sounds like the same band. It flows brilliantly too.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 29, 2017 13:35:19 GMT -5
Production wise, this album is the tits. Bang up job by Thomas Bangalter, Steve Mackey and Markus Dravs.
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Post by matt on Jul 29, 2017 13:43:09 GMT -5
Listened to it in the car twice today and it's really grown on me. This is actually a really, really good album - just not great like all the others. Everything Now, Creature Comfort, Put Your Money on Me, and We Don't Deserve Love are in their all-time top tier. Signs of Life and Electric Blue are great too, and I really like Peter Pan. The rest are all just good - ok, Arcade Fire should do better than them - but still good. The ending is STUNNING. Overall a strong 7.5/8, one of my favourites of the year. Comparing it to records like Heathen Chemistry and Don't Believe the Truth is a fucking joke. Everything_Now = 10 (as an intro) Everything Now = 10 Signs of Life = 8 Creature Comfort = 10 Peter Pan = 7.5 Chemistry = 6 (should end a LOT sooner] Infinite Content Combined = 7.5 Electric Blue = 8 Good God Damn = 6 (needs a better chorus) Put Your Money on Me = 10 We Don't Deserve Love = 10 Everything Now (Continued) = 10 I absolutely agree and I think exactly the same. It's as good an album to me personally as U2's Pop or Radiohead's Hail To The Thief. Any band who meets those standards will get a huge thumbs up from myself, it's just in the case of Arcade Fire (like with U2 and Radiohead) it's initially going to be that bit more disappointing relative to the extremely high standards that are set. Not the strongest in their discography by any means and a bit messy; flawed but a very worthy album nonetheless and albums that I will always frequently listen to. They're not at the height they were by no means, but neither have they sunk to post 90s Oasis. It would take something of diabolical proportions for that to happen. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 29, 2017 14:53:17 GMT -5
It's interesting that Win considers the Infinite Contents as one single song and they only split it so people could jump around at their pleasure. I think I'd have preferred it as a single file. If I had it my way, we'd have ONLY gotten a 3 minute acoustic version.
Win also said Good God Damn is his favorite song on the album. ?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 29, 2017 16:24:04 GMT -5
Top five most underrated Arcade Fire songs:
1. (Antichrist Television Blues)
2. Suburban War
3. Porno
4. Empty Room
5. Black Wave
Peter Pan might join these ranks soon enough. Also...
DO YOU KNOW WHERE I WAS AT YOUR AGE?!
ANY IDEA WHERE I WAS AT YOUR AGE?!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 29, 2017 17:41:27 GMT -5
Top five most underrated Arcade Fire songs: 1. (Antichrist Television Blues) 2. Suburban War 3. Porno 4. Empty Room 5. Black Wave Peter Pan might join these ranks soon enough. Also... DO YOU KNOW WHERE I WAS AT YOUR AGE?! ANY IDEA WHERE I WAS AT YOUR AGE?! I'm not sure #1 is underrated. It got a ton of interest at the time of release because of its parallels with Jessica Simpson and her dad. Was always a highlight for me on the Neon Bible tour and is my favorite song off that album. |
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Post by sirpsychosexy on Jul 29, 2017 19:00:10 GMT -5
I listened to this album a few times when it leaked, didn't like it but decided to try again today aaaaand. It's just not good at all, it has 4 album worthy songs and even they aren't great. Gonna say what has been said here but it just fails flat. I'd rate it 4/10
About Oasis vs Arcade Fire complexity. This AF album is as simple as it gets. That's not necessarily a bad thing but several songs are just 2 seconds loops of bass and drums with very simple keys and guitars over that.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 29, 2017 20:19:05 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, this is the band's first stumble and brush of non universal love by fans and critics after 17 years.
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 29, 2017 22:48:42 GMT -5
Why this AF vs Oasis?
AF always had all the ingredients to work properly, they never had internal problems and the critics love them, Oasis however was a dysfuctional band that functioned somehow: fights, drugs, bad vibes, alcohol, new band members,... and the list goes on, 1999 to 2004 was a turbulent era for the band, dark years.
AF on the other hand never had those problems, they had 4 years to do It and yet they released this shit album, I didn't like the songs that leaked before, listening to the album right now and nothing impressive, and this coming from a guy who really liked Reflektor.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 29, 2017 23:11:50 GMT -5
Why this AF vs Oasis? AF always had all the ingredients to work properly, they never had internal problems and the critics love them, Oasis however was a dysfuctional band that functioned somehow: fights, drugs, bad vibes, alcohol, new band members,... and the list goes on, 1999 to 2004 was a turbulent era for the band, dark years. AF on the other hand never had those problems, they had 4 years to do It and yet they released this shit album, I didn't like the songs that leaked before, listening to the album right now and nothing impressive, and this coming from a guy who really liked Reflektor. I wouldn't call it shit. It's just probably a 6 or 7 in a discography of 9s and 10s. The production of this thing is fantastic like Reflektor before it. No album with Everything Now, Signs of Life, Creature Comfort, Electric Blue, Put Your Money On Me or We Don't Deserve Love can be shit. Those are all big tunes. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 30, 2017 5:40:41 GMT -5
I can't understand anyone who thinks this is below average...
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 30, 2017 6:54:28 GMT -5
Why this AF vs Oasis? AF always had all the ingredients to work properly, they never had internal problems and the critics love them, Oasis however was a dysfuctional band that functioned somehow: fights, drugs, bad vibes, alcohol, new band members,... and the list goes on, 1999 to 2004 was a turbulent era for the band, dark years. AF on the other hand never had those problems, they had 4 years to do It and yet they released this shit album, I didn't like the songs that leaked before, listening to the album right now and nothing impressive, and this coming from a guy who really liked Reflektor. I wouldn't call it shit. It's just probably a 6 or 7 in a discography of 9s and 10s. The production of this thing is fantastic like Reflektor before it. No album with Everything Now, Signs of Life, Creature Comfort, Electric Blue, Put Your Money On Me or We Don't Deserve Love can be shit. Those are all big tunes. Plus the intro and outro are great, Peter Pan is really good, and the other three are just ok/good. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 30, 2017 7:13:06 GMT -5
Why this AF vs Oasis? AF always had all the ingredients to work properly, they never had internal problems and the critics love them, Oasis however was a dysfuctional band that functioned somehow: fights, drugs, bad vibes, alcohol, new band members,... and the list goes on, 1999 to 2004 was a turbulent era for the band, dark years. AF on the other hand never had those problems, they had 4 years to do It and yet they released this shit album, I didn't like the songs that leaked before, listening to the album right now and nothing impressive, and this coming from a guy who really liked Reflektor. Apart from the bit about Everything Now being shit, I agree with this. I'm disappointed it's not better than it is, but it does make me strangely heartened, as an Oasis fan, to see this band that's been so consistently good until now, and who (as far as I am aware) arrive at all their material via a properly democratic creative process, seemingly without the aid/hindrance of substance abuse, go a little bit awry. I know that sounds cynical, but you know what I mean: if Arcade Fire can drop the ball with little to no pressure on them, having had years to put something together, it sorta makes it more forgivable that my favourite band went the way they did in the 00s, when the one man that was their only real source of creativity was struggling to overcoming an addiction to class A drugs for a while, and then when critical opinion turned on them and their albums started to sell less, etc.... |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 30, 2017 7:22:20 GMT -5
Why this AF vs Oasis? AF always had all the ingredients to work properly, they never had internal problems and the critics love them, Oasis however was a dysfuctional band that functioned somehow: fights, drugs, bad vibes, alcohol, new band members,... and the list goes on, 1999 to 2004 was a turbulent era for the band, dark years. AF on the other hand never had those problems, they had 4 years to do It and yet they released this shit album, I didn't like the songs that leaked before, listening to the album right now and nothing impressive, and this coming from a guy who really liked Reflektor. I wouldn't call it shit. It's just probably a 6 or 7 in a discography of 9s and 10s. The production of this thing is fantastic like Reflektor before it. No album with Everything Now, Signs of Life, Creature Comfort, Electric Blue, Put Your Money On Me or We Don't Deserve Love can be shit. Those are all big tunes. Agree - sans the bit about Signs of Life. I wanna like that tune, but it just feels flat to me. I like when the strings comes in near the end though. And it did sound pretty good live. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 30, 2017 7:36:04 GMT -5
Why this AF vs Oasis? AF always had all the ingredients to work properly, they never had internal problems and the critics love them, Oasis however was a dysfuctional band that functioned somehow: fights, drugs, bad vibes, alcohol, new band members,... and the list goes on, 1999 to 2004 was a turbulent era for the band, dark years. AF on the other hand never had those problems, they had 4 years to do It and yet they released this shit album, I didn't like the songs that leaked before, listening to the album right now and nothing impressive, and this coming from a guy who really liked Reflektor. Apart from the bit about Everything Now being shit, I agree with this. I'm disappointed it's not better than it is, but it does make me strangely heartened, as an Oasis fan, to see this band that's been so consistently good until now, and who (as far as I am aware) arrive at all their material via a properly democratic creative process, seemingly without the aid/hindrance of substance abuse, go a little bit awry. I know that sounds cynical, but you know what I mean: if Arcade Fire can drop the ball with little to no pressure on them, having had years to put something together, it sorta makes it more forgivable that my favourite band went the way they did in the 00s, when the one man that was their only real source of creativity was struggling to overcoming an addiction to class A drugs for a while, and then when critical opinion turned on them and their albums started to sell less, etc.... I mean it took over 13 years for AF to deliver an ok album. It took Oasis 3 years. Big difference. This is prob going #1 in America. And the reviews are all over the map from great to ok to lackluster. I just hate the middle section but outside that the album is loaded with big boy tunes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 7:41:26 GMT -5
Infinite Content sounds like a modern Feeder song
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 30, 2017 7:47:31 GMT -5
Apart from the bit about Everything Now being shit, I agree with this. I'm disappointed it's not better than it is, but it does make me strangely heartened, as an Oasis fan, to see this band that's been so consistently good until now, and who (as far as I am aware) arrive at all their material via a properly democratic creative process, seemingly without the aid/hindrance of substance abuse, go a little bit awry. I know that sounds cynical, but you know what I mean: if Arcade Fire can drop the ball with little to no pressure on them, having had years to put something together, it sorta makes it more forgivable that my favourite band went the way they did in the 00s, when the one man that was their only real source of creativity was struggling to overcoming an addiction to class A drugs for a while, and then when critical opinion turned on them and their albums started to sell less, etc.... I mean it took over 13 years for AF to deliver an ok album. It took Oasis 3 years. Big difference. This is prob going #1 in America. And the reviews are all over the map from great to ok to lackluster. I just hate the middle section but outside that the album is loaded with big boy tunes. Correction: 6 years. Be Here Now is not merely an "OK" album. It's far better than that. And it's far better than this new one of Arcade Fire's. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 30, 2017 7:50:34 GMT -5
I mean it took over 13 years for AF to deliver an ok album. It took Oasis 3 years. Big difference. This is prob going #1 in America. And the reviews are all over the map from great to ok to lackluster. I just hate the middle section but outside that the album is loaded with big boy tunes. Correction: 6 years. Be Here Now is not merely an "OK" album. It's far better than that. And it's far better than this new one of Arcade Fire's. My point is most people view BHN as the dividing line. Arcade Fire junkies think Everything Now is a 9. Most people are now viewing this AF record as a potential dividing line. We shall see. Oasis' backlash started at BHN. We shall se if AF has similar backlash moving forward. We won't know until 2021 at best. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 30, 2017 8:00:10 GMT -5
Arcade Fire and Oasis are FAR too different to compare on the whole. Obviously AF have never come close to Oasis' low points put comparing the likes of Definitely Maybe to the likes of Funeral is just impossible.
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