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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 22, 2015 3:48:29 GMT -5
lol Noel always thinks the band should have taken more time off. Lazy vagina he is Although in fairness this would have been the right time to have done it. As other posters have said, get in a producer who can keep moving the SOTSOG sound forward, not give in to Liam (wanting THT out in Oct 01 as was originally slated), industry or management pressures and crafted a great follow up. Unfortunately by confirming two songwriters as band members and saying they were writing he opened it up to group contributions at a time when his own writing was at an low ebb, and the other songwriters were unproven for truly good songs IMO (Liam and Gem) whilst Andy's last outings had been in a dad rock vein using the worst of the 70's/Oasis sounds. That the LP sold as well as it did is as Lennon2217 said down to having Oasis branding. A real shame as a 2003 or 2004 era album with the right producer and songs could have been a great artistic and commercial success. Slightly off topic but I don't see what some people's issues are with Oasis taking three or four years between records when it was fine for REM, U2, RHCP, or bands of a similar size to do the same? It can be the difference between a bridging gap or flop record, and a real triumphant record. I still dont know what Andy and Gem have to do with the quality of this album. Their contributions are small. The boss basically made a catalouge of mistakes.
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Post by beentherenow on Sept 22, 2015 4:58:26 GMT -5
When you think of the true HC era Noel tracks it is completely indefensible that released album.
Noel has said numerous times that SOTSOG was the album they shouldn't have done but the fact is he was sat on a goldmine of songs in 1999, it was only poor tracklisting choices and impatience which prevented that album being a 10/10 classic. To my knowledge for Heathen Chemistry Noel only wrote the below including B-sides
The Hindu Times SCYHO She is Love (Probably) All in The Mind (You've Got) The Heart of a Star Shout It Out Loud
The rest were leftovers from SOTSOG.
2 and half years between SOTSOG and HC and that is what Noel brought to the table,
When you consider he could have had two albums for DM, MG and SOTSOG it's sad
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 5:38:35 GMT -5
The Morning Son was around at this time IIRC. It was called I Stand Alone, that would have been a great album closer instead of Better Man
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 22, 2015 5:59:11 GMT -5
The Morning Son was around at this time IIRC. It was called I Stand Alone, that would have been a great album closer instead of Better Man EVERYTHING is a better closer than Better Man.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 22, 2015 8:39:26 GMT -5
Although in fairness this would have been the right time to have done it. As other posters have said, get in a producer who can keep moving the SOTSOG sound forward, not give in to Liam (wanting THT out in Oct 01 as was originally slated), industry or management pressures and crafted a great follow up. Unfortunately by confirming two songwriters as band members and saying they were writing he opened it up to group contributions at a time when his own writing was at an low ebb, and the other songwriters were unproven for truly good songs IMO (Liam and Gem) whilst Andy's last outings had been in a dad rock vein using the worst of the 70's/Oasis sounds. That the LP sold as well as it did is as Lennon2217 said down to having Oasis branding. A real shame as a 2003 or 2004 era album with the right producer and songs could have been a great artistic and commercial success. Slightly off topic but I don't see what some people's issues are with Oasis taking three or four years between records when it was fine for REM, U2, RHCP, or bands of a similar size to do the same? It can be the difference between a bridging gap or flop record, and a real triumphant record. I still dont know what Andy and Gem have to do with the quality of this album. Their contributions are small. The boss basically made a catalouge of mistakes. If you re-read what I have said I am not blaming Gem and Andy for the album, but am pointing out recruiting them as IMO one of Noel's many mistakes between 1999 and 2002 I think they fitted looks wise but I am not sure that they were ever going to bring anything more than sub-Oasis songs musically to the party, whereas some of the options from previous times that were available, such as Julian Taylor as a bassist the first time Guigs left in 1995, who is an excellent bassist, producer and writer but unfortunately was not a friend or Mancunian so Liam wasn't happy having lost two band members in the same year at the time even though he arguably wanted one of them out as much as anyone- he's the mate of Alan's referred to by Noel in the Maine Road DVD interviews so he ended up in Rialto and then doing sessions instead. I think he could have been an excellent fit as Tony being replaced by Whitey had brought in an outsider and far superior drummer, who ended up fitting in well with the brothers while it lasted, and as much as I like the guy Guigs seemed the next most disposable in terms of ability and appearances on records. If they had replaced departing members with people who really brought something musically, production or writing wise to the party when people left the band, and concentrated on Noel and Liam as the frontmen, image and go to point for all interviews then I believe that the band could have made the moves forward in style that contemporaries such as Damon Albarn or established bands like U2 managed, and aped The Beatles more positively (not saying the work would have been as groundbreaking, just in terms of pushing forwards instead of treading water). In my own ideal lineup for this if they had Alan White and Julian Taylor in place before SOTSOG and in theory if Bonehead had still departed I would have brought in David Potts of Monaco and Revenge fame. He turned them down I know but that was because he did not want to be a bassist, whereas in this theoretical line up he would be free as a guitarist and keyboard player, which are his primary instruments. With this lineup and particularly Potts and Taylor having production experience with a range of artists as opposed just their own work I honestly think they could have created something very special with the sessions that became SOTSOG and the follow ups. Still thats the great thing about this, it's all what if's isn't it? which can be a summary of most of Noel (and to a lesser extent management and Oasis as a band) led decisions from circa 1996 onwards
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Post by Cast on Sept 22, 2015 11:27:14 GMT -5
I was 8 in 2000 and not an Oasis fan yet, but if I were an Oasis fan I'd be pretty excited to have Andy Bell joining the band. His band's after Ride were mediocre in my opinion, but Ride had moments of absolutely astonishing music. Nowhere is an all-time classic in my book and it stands next to My Bloody Valentine's Loveless as the definitive work of the shoegaze scene, which in its own right is one of the best and most influential scenes in modern rock n' roll.
Now in hindsight, Bell was a disappointment in Oasis in terms of songwriting but back then I'd probably would have been pretty excited to have a guy who at least had written some truly great songs, while also being a pretty forward thinking artist.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 22, 2015 11:36:55 GMT -5
I was 8 in 2000 and not an Oasis fan yet, but if I were an Oasis fan I'd be pretty excited to have Andy Bell joining the band. His band's after Ride were mediocre in my opinion, but Ride had moments of absolutely astonishing music. Nowhere is an all-time classic in my book and it stands next to My Bloody Valentine's Loveless as the definitive work of the shoegaze scene, which in its own right is one of the best and most influential scenes in modern rock n' roll. Now in hindsight, Bell was a disappointment in Oasis in terms of songwriting but back then I'd probably would have been pretty excited to have a guy who at least had written some truly great songs, while also being a pretty forward thinking artist. You're in good company, Alan McGee and Cally from WEA who was one of the first guys to start the whole false independent label where a major sets up or distributes a supposed indie were obsessives. Cally tried to finance a label called One Big Guitar out of Oxford to get Ride after hearing they wouldn't sign to a major, but he made the mistake of tipping McGee off about them and told McGee they were signed when they were not, so Ride switched off from him. A shame in some ways as I think Ride could have broken the USA underground via Warners with Seattle coming through at the time,as the US music scene didnt have anything like the UK indie vs major hangups, but maybe it's for the best that they didn't in the long run- who knows? Cally went as far as saying he couldn't understand Ride's obsession with MBV because he thought they were so much better. There's a good interview with Dave Newton, Ride's manager, from the Creation site about Ride if you're interested Creation- Dave Newton
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Post by Binary Sunset on Sept 22, 2015 13:00:06 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry was shit. Oddly enough tho, Little By Little was the first Oasis song I liked...
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 22, 2015 13:16:20 GMT -5
I was 8 in 2000 and not an Oasis fan yet, but if I were an Oasis fan I'd be pretty excited to have Andy Bell joining the band. His band's after Ride were mediocre in my opinion, but Ride had moments of absolutely astonishing music. Nowhere is an all-time classic in my book and it stands next to My Bloody Valentine's Loveless as the definitive work of the shoegaze scene, which in its own right is one of the best and most influential scenes in modern rock n' roll. Now in hindsight, Bell was a disappointment in Oasis in terms of songwriting but back then I'd probably would have been pretty excited to have a guy who at least had written some truly great songs, while also being a pretty forward thinking artist. I thought you were in your thirties or something! I agree. Those two albums are both great. It's a shame Andy was known to be such a forward thinking artist, but ended up writing dadrock Oasis wannabe sounding songs. Take something like Vapour Trail and compare it to..well, basically anything he's written in Oasis. I can't believe it's the same man, but it is! Imagine an Oasis album that would have a more shoegazey sound. That would've been amazing.
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 22, 2015 13:44:19 GMT -5
Noel recruited Gem because he used to be one of his mates at the time, so Liam wanted one of his mates too, so he called Andy to joining the band.
They still wanted that gang mentality in the band, not just another guy in the band who could play the instrument.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 22, 2015 13:46:34 GMT -5
I was 8 in 2000 and not an Oasis fan yet, but if I were an Oasis fan I'd be pretty excited to have Andy Bell joining the band. His band's after Ride were mediocre in my opinion, but Ride had moments of absolutely astonishing music. Nowhere is an all-time classic in my book and it stands next to My Bloody Valentine's Loveless as the definitive work of the shoegaze scene, which in its own right is one of the best and most influential scenes in modern rock n' roll. Now in hindsight, Bell was a disappointment in Oasis in terms of songwriting but back then I'd probably would have been pretty excited to have a guy who at least had written some truly great songs, while also being a pretty forward thinking artist. I thought you were in your thirties or something! I agree. Those two albums are both great. It's a shame Andy was known to be such a forward thinking artist, but ended up writing dadrock Oasis wannabe sounding songs. Take something like Vapour Trail and compare it to..well, basically anything he's written in Oasis. I can't believe it's the same man, but it is! Imagine an Oasis album that would have a more shoegazey sound. That would've been amazing. I think unfortunately for Andy when Ride came to an end he was only 25, yet in the Creation Records story he said he felt out of touch as all the bands hitting big time were Oasis, Blur, Pulp, etc. and even former shoegaze or long time label mates like the Boo Radleys and Teenage Fanclub were having hits. Hurricane #1 wasn't actually Andy's idea, he was trying some demos and Alan McGee kept going on at him that he was like a Jimmy Page figure, and should build as band like him. Andy says himself that because Ride had had creative control but no lasting success at the time he was lost, and he ended up letting Ricochet Management and McGee call all the shots (badly). This culminated with an unfortunate £150,000 advert for The Sun newspaper around 1999 which led to a huge backlash, with the press coming down hard on them. It was done purely to finance a new record according to Andy,and although Ricochet denied it McGee has admitted in the book he as good as held the band to ransom over it, calling it "one of his worst mistakes". In their defence they were a relatively low selling band unlike say Coldplay who in 2002 were reported to have turned down over £55M worth of licensing Coldplay Link . That factor alone for Hurricane though was in retrospect a bad decision anyway for a band already having to deal with being called Oasis copyists, by Liam Gallagher as well in the NME, and in the event Andy had writers block and broke the band up before (ironically) Oasis came calling a few months later. On the subject of licensing it is a sign of how attitudes have changed, as before alot of artists wouldn't touch it for fear of damaging their credibility, unless they were already well established as a big seller and/or corporate entity with tour sponsorship et al (see Rolling Stones from 1981 who arguably kicked that off), Madonna, MJ, etc. Now on the first sniff of a hit alot of artists (or labels/publishers) are quick to cash in as much as possible, although this could partly be said to be due to the decline in record sales revenue. That said Sam Smith (not my favourite artist but hear me out) sold 8.5m copies worldwide for his debut, and Adele continues to shift large volumes so it can be done, although i accept those two are the closest thing to MOR/Supermarket CD shoppers only markets at the moment. I can't say yes or no to licensing as I have seen both sides, but I would say be careful of alienating your core fan base by aligning yourself with questionable third parties in an attempt to gain greater exposure, no matter what money may be on offer. Anyway apologies to all for my ramblings, it's a slow day at the office this evening
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 22, 2015 14:00:27 GMT -5
I was 8 in 2000 and not an Oasis fan yet, but if I were an Oasis fan I'd be pretty excited to have Andy Bell joining the band. His band's after Ride were mediocre in my opinion, but Ride had moments of absolutely astonishing music. Nowhere is an all-time classic in my book and it stands next to My Bloody Valentine's Loveless as the definitive work of the shoegaze scene, which in its own right is one of the best and most influential scenes in modern rock n' roll. Now in hindsight, Bell was a disappointment in Oasis in terms of songwriting but back then I'd probably would have been pretty excited to have a guy who at least had written some truly great songs, while also being a pretty forward thinking artist. Andy was a big time disappointment for all the reasons you just mentioned. I was that 18 year old kid super pumped when Andy joined the band in 1999. When 2009 rolled around and I was 28 I could finally sum up Andy's Oasis legacy as lackluster. Gem was a sleeper though! Solid dude. I think Andy's problem is he morphed into what an Oasis guitar player should be like. He needed to be himself and help Oasis sonically. I also blame Noel who probably intimidated Andy and Gem a lot.
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Post by mahsteve on Sept 22, 2015 19:13:55 GMT -5
I thought you were in your thirties or something! I agree. Those two albums are both great. It's a shame Andy was known to be such a forward thinking artist, but ended up writing dadrock Oasis wannabe sounding songs. Take something like Vapour Trail and compare it to..well, basically anything he's written in Oasis. I can't believe it's the same man, but it is! Imagine an Oasis album that would have a more shoegazey sound. That would've been amazing. I think unfortunately for Andy when Ride came to an end he was only 25, yet in the Creation Records story he said he felt out of touch as all the bands hitting big time were Oasis, Blur, Pulp, etc. and even former shoegaze or long time label mates like the Boo Radleys and Teenage Fanclub were having hits. Hurricane #1 wasn't actually Andy's idea, he was trying some demos and Alan McGee kept going on at him that he was like a Jimmy Page figure, and should build as band like him. Andy says himself that because Ride had had creative control but no lasting success at the time he was lost, and he ended up letting Ricochet Management and McGee call all the shots (badly). This culminated with an unfortunate £150,000 advert for The Sun newspaper around 1999 which led to a huge backlash, with the press coming down hard on them. It was done purely to finance a new record according to Andy,and although Ricochet denied it McGee has admitted in the book he as good as held the band to ransom over it, calling it "one of his worst mistakes". In their defence they were a relatively low selling band unlike say Coldplay who in 2002 were reported to have turned down over £55M worth of licensing Coldplay Link . That factor alone for Hurricane though was in retrospect a bad decision anyway for a band already having to deal with being called Oasis copyists, by Liam Gallagher as well in the NME, and in the event Andy had writers block and broke the band up before (ironically) Oasis came calling a few months later. On the subject of licensing it is a sign of how attitudes have changed, as before alot of artists wouldn't touch it for fear of damaging their credibility, unless they were already well established as a big seller and/or corporate entity with tour sponsorship et al (see Rolling Stones from 1981 who arguably kicked that off), Madonna, MJ, etc. Now on the first sniff of a hit alot of artists (or labels/publishers) are quick to cash in as much as possible, although this could partly be said to be due to the decline in record sales revenue. That said Sam Smith (not my favourite artist but hear me out) sold 8.5m copies worldwide for his debut, and Adele continues to shift large volumes so it can be done, although i accept those two are the closest thing to MOR/Supermarket CD shoppers only markets at the moment. I can't say yes or no to licensing as I have seen both sides, but I would say be careful of alienating your core fan base by aligning yourself with questionable third parties in an attempt to gain greater exposure, no matter what money may be on offer. Anyway apologies to all for my ramblings, it's a slow day at the office this evening No need to apologise for your ramblings! I have been an oasis fan for years and thought I knew the whole story but reading the posts on this forum have been great and rekindled my interest again ...for the record my interest never went away! :-)
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Post by mkoasis on Sept 22, 2015 20:41:40 GMT -5
I was 8 in 2000 and not an Oasis fan yet, but if I were an Oasis fan I'd be pretty excited to have Andy Bell joining the band. His band's after Ride were mediocre in my opinion, but Ride had moments of absolutely astonishing music. Nowhere is an all-time classic in my book and it stands next to My Bloody Valentine's Loveless as the definitive work of the shoegaze scene, which in its own right is one of the best and most influential scenes in modern rock n' roll. Now in hindsight, Bell was a disappointment in Oasis in terms of songwriting but back then I'd probably would have been pretty excited to have a guy who at least had written some truly great songs, while also being a pretty forward thinking artist. I do like Nowhere a lot but Going Blank Again is a better album IMO. It's less shoegazey, sure, but no one else seems to mention Going Blank Again.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 22, 2015 20:58:39 GMT -5
I was 8 in 2000 and not an Oasis fan yet, but if I were an Oasis fan I'd be pretty excited to have Andy Bell joining the band. His band's after Ride were mediocre in my opinion, but Ride had moments of absolutely astonishing music. Nowhere is an all-time classic in my book and it stands next to My Bloody Valentine's Loveless as the definitive work of the shoegaze scene, which in its own right is one of the best and most influential scenes in modern rock n' roll. Now in hindsight, Bell was a disappointment in Oasis in terms of songwriting but back then I'd probably would have been pretty excited to have a guy who at least had written some truly great songs, while also being a pretty forward thinking artist. I do like Nowhere a lot but Going Blank Again is a better album IMO. It's less shoegazey, sure, but no one else seems to mention Going Blank Again. Going Blank Again is a great album, though it came out at the wrong time for Ride and sold far less than their manager or Creation had hoped for, mainly due to Nirvana and the Seattle scene taking over in British music that year. Liam Gallagher was a fan of it as well according to the Magpies Eyes book, having a blast from "OX4" on his answerphone message around 1993/94.
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Post by glider on Sept 22, 2015 21:15:47 GMT -5
I do like Nowhere a lot but Going Blank Again is a better album IMO. It's less shoegazey, sure, but no one else seems to mention Going Blank Again. Going Blank Again is a great album, though it came out at the wrong time for Ride and sold far less than their manager or Creation had hoped for, mainly due to Nirvana and the Seattle scene taking over in British music that year. Liam Gallagher was a fan of it as well according to the Magpies Eyes book, having a blast from "OX4" on his answerphone message around 1993/94. GBA is much more solid than Nowhere for me. Of course Nowhere had Dreams Burn Down, Vapour Trail, In A Different Place, but the run of tracks from Leave them All Behind - Twisterella - Not Fazed - Chrome Waves is amazing, and then OX4 is a perfect closer.
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Post by matt on Sept 22, 2015 21:36:50 GMT -5
I was 8 in 2000 and not an Oasis fan yet, but if I were an Oasis fan I'd be pretty excited to have Andy Bell joining the band. His band's after Ride were mediocre in my opinion, but Ride had moments of absolutely astonishing music. Nowhere is an all-time classic in my book and it stands next to My Bloody Valentine's Loveless as the definitive work of the shoegaze scene, which in its own right is one of the best and most influential scenes in modern rock n' roll. Now in hindsight, Bell was a disappointment in Oasis in terms of songwriting but back then I'd probably would have been pretty excited to have a guy who at least had written some truly great songs, while also being a pretty forward thinking artist. I agree but I'm not so keen on their later albums - good moments here and there, but it's clear even Ride were beginning to take the derivative stodgy route thanks to Bell, which culminated in Hurricane #1. So under the same scenario, I think I would have been sceptical of Bell's introduction but hopeful that he would return to the innovative groundbreaking ways of Nowhere. Sadly, it was everything bad that he threatened to be.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Sept 26, 2015 8:23:12 GMT -5
i must be one of the few people on here that like HC only things i dont like about it is a quick peep cos its just fuckin pointless and how most of the music press called it a return to form after sotsog which a few of them slated,, in my opinion sotsog was far superior to HC
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 26, 2015 8:52:55 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry was shit, is shit, and will always remain shit!
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Post by spud on Sept 26, 2015 9:08:07 GMT -5
There's still loads of Oasis fans that think SOTSOG was their low point simply because Noel says so. Similarly, he blinded everyone to the fact that Heathen Chemistry is shit by telling everyone it was great and they believed him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 9:26:54 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is and will always stay, the worst Oasis album. The guys just tried with this album to do a Morning Glory bis. Let's throw some anthems (SCHYO, Little By Little, The Hindu Times) and here they went. Don't forget that at this time, Oasis had just emerged from two "failed albums", according to the press. Noel absolutely didn't want to remake that mistake. So they put an album trying to imitate the success of WTSMG, but Noel hadn't the good inspiration at that time, SCHYO, Little By Little, The Hindu Times are nowhere close to anthems like DLBIA, Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova. They are even exploded by the vast majority of b-sides of the 94-97 era.
While SOTSOG was a real attempt of something new, keeping a certain sincerity, HC was just an attempt to a commercial success, worn by some stadium anthems, but that will reveal hollow and uninspired.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 26, 2015 10:03:43 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is and will always stay, the worst Oasis album. The guys just tried with this album to do a Morning Glory bis. Let's throw some anthems (SCHYO, Little By Little, The Hindu Times) and here they went. Don't forget that at this time, Oasis had just emerged from two "failed albums", according to the press. Noel absolutely didn't want to remake that mistake. So they put an album trying to imitate the success of WTSMG, but Noel hadn't the good inspiration at that time, SCHYO, Little By Little, The Hindu Times are nowhere close to anthems like DLBIA, Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova. They are even exploded by the vast majority of b-sides of the 94-97 era. While SOTSOG was a real attempt of something new, keeping a certain sincerity, HC was just an attempt to a commercial success, worn by some stadium anthems, but that will reveal hollow and uninspired. That's a bingo right there. The moment Oasis became a brand and no longer a band. Oasis already sold a shit load, they should have kept expanding sonically like SOTSOG hinted at. That backlash scared Noel off permanently from being creatively ambitious while in Oasis.
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Post by World71R on Sept 26, 2015 11:26:12 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is and will always stay, the worst Oasis album. The guys just tried with this album to do a Morning Glory bis. Let's throw some anthems (SCHYO, Little By Little, The Hindu Times) and here they went. Don't forget that at this time, Oasis had just emerged from two "failed albums", according to the press. Noel absolutely didn't want to remake that mistake. So they put an album trying to imitate the success of WTSMG, but Noel hadn't the good inspiration at that time, SCHYO, Little By Little, The Hindu Times are nowhere close to anthems like DLBIA, Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova. They are even exploded by the vast majority of b-sides of the 94-97 era. While SOTSOG was a real attempt of something new, keeping a certain sincerity, HC was just an attempt to a commercial success, worn by some stadium anthems, but that will reveal hollow and uninspired. That's a bingo right there. The moment Oasis became a brand and no longer a band. Oasis already sold a shit load, they should have kept expanding sonically like SOTSOG hinted at. That backlash scared Noel off permanently from being creatively ambitious while in Oasis. With that said, I think part of the fault lies on the people around him. Liam was not a forward thinker, music-wise, and from what I've heard from stories, Gem wasn't either, which is why when they did dabble in any experimentation after SOTSOG, it was styles that Oasis had incorporated into their music before, with retro British for DBTT (which came out well, however), and acid rock & Doors-like blues for DOYS (which also came out well, but was let down by the twosome), but it was nothing like what Noel was working with on SOTSOG.
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Post by oasisnz on Sept 26, 2015 12:32:12 GMT -5
It' wasn't shit, it isn't shit and won't be shit. It's better than SOTSOG (the singles alone on HC are vastly superior). That said gas panic! Wipes the floor of anything after BHN Herbalife, is that you?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 26, 2015 13:24:28 GMT -5
That's a bingo right there. The moment Oasis became a brand and no longer a band. Oasis already sold a shit load, they should have kept expanding sonically like SOTSOG hinted at. That backlash scared Noel off permanently from being creatively ambitious while in Oasis. With that said, I think part of the fault lies on the people around him. Liam was not a forward thinker, music-wise, and from what I've heard from stories, Gem wasn't either, which is why when they did dabble in any experimentation after SOTSOG, it was styles that Oasis had incorporated into their music before, with retro British for DBTT (which came out well, however), and acid rock & Doors-like blues for DOYS (which also came out well, but was let down by the twosome), but it was nothing like what Noel was working with on SOTSOG. Noel, like always between 1994-1998, should have dictated band policy. Between 1998 and 2000, Noel spoke often of how Oasis 2.0 was going to sound after Be Here Now. It was going to move away from pub rock into new sonic landscapes. SOTSOG was a good start. Sure the songs were kinda Debbie downers but this type of production was fantastic. It's sad they retreated from it.
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