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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 19, 2015 20:30:46 GMT -5
THT is a single. THT, LBL, SCYHO, and SB are all ace. An argument can be made for BOADC, but that's it. Hung in a Bad Place is a bruiser of a rocker, and has a great drive to it. Quite underrated imo. To be honest IMO if they were going down the road of recording a Gem glam rock infused track they might just as well of re-recorded Chinses Burn. It's one of Gem's better songs in that style, and certainly back then the wider public hadn't really heard it.
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Post by glider on Sept 19, 2015 23:48:39 GMT -5
Bullshit.. surely that crown's gotta go to DOYS... got it on vinyl in the DOYS box set and it still sounds shite at 45RPM!!! Heads up: Conventional Wisdom on here says that HC is the worst Oasis album. There's been threads and polls throughout the years, all with the same prevailing outcome: HC is shit. You're fighting an uphill battle, squire. This is the type of post that gets people to leave the forum Nigel.
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Post by mahsteve on Sept 20, 2015 2:10:30 GMT -5
Check out this shit: Liam's voice is fuckin'... Used to love TOTP2 back in the day... first time I ever saw/heard Town Called Malice!! Just for the record there were issues with that particular TOTP session as they couldn't get the sound mix right. U can hear the band mention it during the interludes between the songs. The session they did for CD:UK in 2002 sounded far better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 2:23:03 GMT -5
I don't even like the singles to be honest.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 20, 2015 2:23:07 GMT -5
HC is a pretty shit album....it's really pathetic especially when you think about how the best song on there is Songbird. Meaning that a Liam song was better than all the Noel songs on the album. P.S. The b-sides however are excellent. Shout It Out Loud, Idler's Dream, and (You've Got) The Heart of a Star all could've found a place on HC. P.P.S. Beady’s Here Now, please don't bite the n00b, he's only expressing his opinion. In your eyes.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Sept 20, 2015 5:10:16 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry's alright. People just being dramatic.
- Like them or not, SCYHO & LBL are two Noel's most memorable tunes and two of the most obvious singles he has ever produced. - The Hindu Times is one of the best rockers (of admittedly very few, unfortunately!) Noel had written for some time and has only been beaten by the Shock Of The Lightning since. - Songbird is one of Liam's best ever effort, with many claiming it to be his best. - Hung In A Bad Place, is decent album filler and one of Gem's better efforts. - Force Of Nature & She Is Love are massively underrated. Force Of Nature is just flat out great as far as I'm concerned. - A Quick Peep is a very meh interlude but it's hardly offensive. - And the other 3 or 4? Yep... crap. However people often do single out BOADC as being a better track, so clearly they're not all universally disliked. Really not for me though.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 20, 2015 5:32:38 GMT -5
I really like the singles, there's nothing wrong with them. B-sides were great too.
Other albumtracks I like are Born On A Different Cloud and Force Of Nature. Nothing wrong with those in my eyes. She Is Love isn't horrible, the demented keyboards are awesome but it's a bit too schmalzy.
A Quick Peep is a bit of a waste of space but not horrible either.
I do dislike the rest of it, but even Better Man has a cool part. But I'm obviously not going through 4 minutes of shit just to hear a cool part that's 15 seconds long.
It's on the bottom with DBTT for me. They switch places every now and then. Both have great singles, a few good album fillers and some absolute shit on them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 5:44:18 GMT -5
I love the album, maybe it's because (almost) everyonr hate it. The only song I can't stand is Better Man but the rest if the album is great. Only the production should have been better. I like the artwork (all the bandmembers are on it). Great singles, great b-sides and great setlist.
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Post by beentherenow on Sept 20, 2015 5:52:43 GMT -5
I think it's fucking shocking and not just by Oasis standards but by other bands standards. It has 5 of their worst songs and the rest is pretty average (I do like Songbird, BOADC and SCYHO though) and sounds terrible production wise.
That year was all about The Strokes, The White Stripes etc and Oasis just sounded so boring in comparison. There was no reason to listen to HC as it offered nothing.
That album sounded like a shit band trying to be Morning Glory era Oasis and failing miserably
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 20, 2015 6:16:39 GMT -5
Check out this shit: Liam's voice is fuckin'... Used to love TOTP2 back in the day... first time I ever saw/heard Town Called Malice!! Just for the record there were issues with that particular TOTP session as they couldn't get the sound mix right. U can hear the band mention it during the interludes between the songs. The session they did for CD:UK in 2002 sounded far better. Noel saying "Shoddy as fuck" at the end and Ms Appleton half heartedly saying "It was better than that" allude to the fact.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 20, 2015 10:24:45 GMT -5
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Post by The Tuna Farm on Sept 20, 2015 11:24:29 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry was the first Oasis album I anticipated as a new fan. After two years of adoring the previous albums and collecting glorious B-sides, (including the killer Idler's Dream) my gut reaction upon listening to the end of HC was "That's it?" Yes, Songbird was great, Little By Little struck a chord, and I found a spot in my heart for She is Love, but everything else was just...bluh.
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Post by underneaththesky on Sept 20, 2015 11:46:58 GMT -5
Better Man from that gig is fucking top. the whole thing is great
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Post by guigsysEstring on Sept 20, 2015 12:16:10 GMT -5
Better Man from that gig is fucking top. the whole thing is great It's rare to see those pairs of words in the same sentence on this forum
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 20, 2015 12:23:21 GMT -5
Better Man live is ace. Unfortunately the album is shit by any standards. Force of Nature, She Is Love, PAITM and(I know everyone disagree's with me on this)Little By Little range between insipid to downright awful.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 20, 2015 12:51:32 GMT -5
I know there's no accounting for taste and all that, but I can't wrap my head around how you can like Better Man and dislike Little By Little.
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Post by Aman on Sept 20, 2015 17:20:28 GMT -5
Why is there a question mark in the thread title?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 20, 2015 17:27:12 GMT -5
Millions of Oasis fans' trash is @beherenowisbiblical's treasure, I suppose.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 20, 2015 19:02:14 GMT -5
I know there's no accounting for taste and all that, but I can't wrap my head around how you can like Better Man and dislike Little By Little. Little By Little is Oasis by numbers and not very good numbers either. If someone created a computer to make Oasis tracks it would probably vomit that out. I don't mind some nonsense or meaningless lyrics but the pseudophilosophical rubbish in that makes me cringe.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 20, 2015 19:04:55 GMT -5
Better Man sounds flat on the record like a lot of the others but the version from Superdry live is excellent. Liam sounding great.
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 20, 2015 19:43:41 GMT -5
The songs and melodies were there (well, for the most part), but the production killed them, it took the soul out of the songs.
There is not rawness to the rockier songs, neither delicateness on the slow ones, and also it needed more colors, the production lacked refinament.
A proper producer would have made the songs a lot better I guess, much like Spike did with SOTSOG.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 20, 2015 19:46:40 GMT -5
Millions of Oasis fans' trash is @beherenowisbiblical's treasure, I suppose. Besides UGHF, I can hardly think of any other user who made themselves so known on their day of registration. Way to go, @beherenowisbiblical!!
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Post by matt on Sept 20, 2015 20:25:10 GMT -5
Shit songs, shit production, and to be honest, while usually the saviour of a shit recording, Liam's worst vocal effort on recording ever.
If I was a hardcore Oasis fan back in the 1990s and I was told Noel would hand over some songwriting duties to the bloke in Heavy Stereo, I would have had a heart attack. And Hurricane #1 Andy Bell would have garnered the same reaction.
And the results were expected.
A real ball ache for the band and this album pretty much signalled the death of Oasis, and any hope of an Achtung Baby-style critical and commercial revival were pulped to death with this album.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 20, 2015 20:38:39 GMT -5
Millions of Oasis fans' trash is @beherenowisbiblical's treasure, I suppose. Besides UGHF, I can hardly think of any other user who made themselves so known on their day of registration. Way to go, @beherenowisbiblical!! That was what drove my comparison! And how the fuck do you know of that day, anyway? (Seriously).
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Post by World71R on Sept 20, 2015 20:58:50 GMT -5
Better Man sounds flat on the record like a lot of the others but the version from Superdry live is excellent. Liam sounding great. It has some great guitar work on it, but the vocals on it are shockingly bad, as are the lyrics, and it's about a minute too long.
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