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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 8, 2015 7:03:30 GMT -5
Of course there's a shitload of drummers who can play that. It's not THAT difficult. The point here is just that Whitey was better than Tony.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 7:07:59 GMT -5
No no. The point here is Alan was as much a part of the band , people are waxing poetic about how different oasis were with him. And it's ajoke .....he filled time Nothing more nothing less , people here seem to think oasis would not be oasis without him. That's crap. My whole point. Put in steve white .... Nobody would notice " the subtle tendencies "
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Post by Bruno on Aug 8, 2015 7:33:29 GMT -5
Alan was a great drummer in my opinion. I really liked his jazz style and softer touch, his drumming on Wonderwall, DLBIA, Cast No Shadow and basically the WTSMG album cannot be overlooked. It might not be what makes the songs of course but it certainly added something extra to them which I really like. Also, there's no way Tony could've made the drum parts on those songs sound that good. My buddy Joel plays all of wonder wall note for note .......the drum parts are not tjat big of a deal. and if your ever in brooklyn New York you can hear it for yourself and swear it was whitey. He is a good drummer , but so many session drummers could have played it ...... And so many cover it. Very easily That's a bit like saying if someone can recreate a Gilmour or Page guitar solo, that makes their guitar work less special because anyone can play it which btw most decent guitarists can. In the same way, it doesn't matter if someone can do as good a job on Wonderwall as Whitey. Whitey created the original which all the others now copy. Creating something from scratch is infinitely more difficult that just learning something that already exists. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 8, 2015 7:51:05 GMT -5
It's hard to separate Sharrock and Whitey. I really like Chris but loyalty to Alan is high due to his longevity with the band and for all the success he ushered in. Starkey was a good drummer, but just didn't like his drumming. And whoever said the drumming wasn't important to Oasis, I disagree. (Clearly it was, for threads like this one and all the others on the subject wouldn't exist).
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Post by mahsteve on Aug 8, 2015 7:54:23 GMT -5
Thanks for uploading these videos. As I've said a few times, I think the band sounded great during this period, 2001 brotherly love tour. I think Steve white's drumming is great, the band must have had good rehursals before the tour. Steve white and Andy on bass seem to be working really well together. I think they picked the right songs considering they were on a joint tour with the black crowes so have chosen songs which would appear to those fans. And just to add, the TV sound mix for those particular videos at the Greek theatre sound really good, for some strange reason the band or TV producer didn't often get the sound mix right when they were on TV over the years. |
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Post by mahsteve on Aug 8, 2015 7:56:36 GMT -5
I agree. A very poor thread title indeed, however, from reading through the posts it is quite evident that the majority have a real respect for Alan white and really appreciate his time with the band. I completely agree with the general consensus that his work on the morning glory album is massively important to the songs If tony drummed on it NOBODY WOULD HAVE EVER SAID A WORD ABOUT WHITE .......DLBIA. SUPERNOVA. ROLL WITH IT. CAST THE WHOLE LP IS ABOUT NOELS LYEICS AND LIAMS INTERPERTATION VOCALLY. AND IF ALAN NEVER PLAYED A NOTE ...NOBODY WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE ...FACE IT HE KEPT TIME , HE WAS NOT THIS GREAT DRUNMER SIME HERE MAKING HIM OUT TO BE I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 8:29:22 GMT -5
My buddy Joel plays all of wonder wall note for note .......the drum parts are not tjat big of a deal. and if your ever in brooklyn New York you can hear it for yourself and swear it was whitey. He is a good drummer , but so many session drummers could have played it ...... And so many cover it. Very easily That's a bit like saying if someone can recreate a Gilmour or Page guitar solo, that makes their guitar work less special because anyone can play it which btw most decent guitarists can. In the same way, it doesn't matter if someone can do as good a job on Wonderwall as Whitey. Whitey created the original which all the others now copy. Creating something from scratch is infinitely more difficult that just learning something that already exists. Ah I missed you. But still disagree |
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Post by matt on Aug 8, 2015 9:08:27 GMT -5
No no. The point here is Alan was as much a part of the band , people are waxing poetic about how different oasis were with him. And it's ajoke .....he filled time Nothing more nothing less , people here seem to think oasis would not be oasis without him. That's crap. My whole point. Put in steve white .... Nobody would notice " the subtle tendencies " Kalas, not every musician has to be balls-hanging-out thrash it loud to be the best - whether it is a guitarist or a drummer or whatever. I don't think anyone's saying he is the greatest drummer ever - I can't understand how some folk on this thread are equating our high praise for Whitey to stating that "HE IS THE GREATEST DRUMMER OF ALL TIME!!!!". But you can't compare him to rock drummers. I praise Whitey for his contribution to Oasis's sound. Too many times, Oasis would be stodgy, lumpy and plodding (certainly in their latter years) but I can say for a fact that Whitey never made the tunes like that. As someone said, Whitey suggested key tempo changes to Noel that made the songs a lot more elegant. Without Whitey, songs like Wonderwall and Don't Look Back In Anger could have been ruined and turned into real lumpen dirges if they hadn't got the tempo and rhythm right. And Alan White is a key part of that. |
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Post by gemarcher1 on Aug 8, 2015 9:22:59 GMT -5
Best drummer in Oasis (years 95-2000)
He became lazy and shit in HC times.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 8, 2015 9:26:17 GMT -5
Best drummer in Oasis (years 95-2000) OASIS became lazy and shit in HC times. Corrected. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 8, 2015 9:29:31 GMT -5
I've always thought Matt Barrick of The Walkmen was/is a great drummer.
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Post by gemarcher1 on Aug 8, 2015 9:36:01 GMT -5
Cast No Shadow and Wonderwall wouldn't be the kind of songs they are without the drumming of Alan White. I didn't liked the versions Zak and Chris later did on wonderwall. White did great on alot of DM tunes, but there's a reason they (please correct me if I'm wrong) never played Bring it On Down live after 1995. Tony's drumming, while very simple, gave that song the brash and intense focus it needed, and it was something Zak Starkey couldn't duplicate. Example below: |
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Post by The Chief on Aug 8, 2015 10:32:42 GMT -5
Best drummer in Oasis (years 95-2000) OASIS became lazy and shit in HC times. Corrected. I kind of agree. They hit a low point with SOTSOG. All of them including Alan. But I think Alan would have surprised us like the rest of the band did with DBTT. Alan was a great drummer but Zak and most of all Chris were way better. |
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 8, 2015 16:49:45 GMT -5
Alan did an amazing work on WTSMG, he sounds great on Some Might Say.  |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 8, 2015 17:48:21 GMT -5
Alan did an amazing work on WTSMG, he sounds great on Some Might Say. Oh you stirrer  you know that was the magnificent Tony McCarroll |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 4:59:40 GMT -5
Alan did an amazing work on WTSMG, he sounds great on Some Might Say. Oh you stirrer you know that was the magnificent Tony McCarroll I love the drums on it, |
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Post by scott1 on Aug 9, 2015 13:49:29 GMT -5
Had to laugh at the thread title, no messing about there.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 9, 2015 14:25:59 GMT -5
Alan was a great drummer in my opinion. I really liked his jazz style and softer touch, his drumming on Wonderwall, DLBIA, Cast No Shadow and basically the WTSMG album cannot be overlooked. It might not be what makes the songs of course but it certainly added something extra to them which I really like. Also, there's no way Tony could've made the drum parts on those songs sound that good. My buddy Joel plays all of wonder wall note for note .......the drum parts are not tjat big of a deal. and if your ever in brooklyn New York you can hear it for yourself and swear it was whitey. He is a good drummer , but so many session drummers could have played it ...... And so many cover it. Very easily I take your point about it could be played by any decent session drummer, but to flip it around a bit- I can play bass well, including pretty much the entire Carol Kaye, James Jamerson & Bob Babbitt Motown catalogue, the Stax and Bootsy Collins catalogues and a number of Jazz, Rock N' Roll and R n' B standards. However I did not write those parts, there's a big difference between creating the fitting bas or in this case drum part that fits a song perfectly, and simply recreating it after the fact. The point is I probably could (I hope!) have created a bass line that worked out for alot of those tracks, in the same way your buddy could've drummed on Wonderwall. But I doubt either of us would have created the sound that people recognise so well from those hits, whatever we created. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 9, 2015 14:29:43 GMT -5
I love the whole sound of "Some Might Say" but it was Tony McCarroll who drummed that one, his only (WTS) MG?? appearance |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 14:52:50 GMT -5
I love the whole sound of "Some Might Say" but it was Tony McCarroll who drummed that one, his only (WTS) MG?? appearance Yes, and Acquiesce and Headshrinker. I don't know it's correct or not but I saw somewhere Tony played the drums on Bonehead's Bank Holiday too |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 9, 2015 15:08:39 GMT -5
I love the whole sound of "Some Might Say" but it was Tony McCarroll who drummed that one, his only (WTS) MG?? appearance Yes, and Acquiesce and Headshrinker. I don't know it's correct or not but I saw somewhere Tony played the drums on Bonehead's Bank Holiday too Definitely right about the songs on the Some Might Say EP. As far as I know Bonehead's Bank Holiday was done at Rockfield after Tony was sacked, with a pissed Bonehead bottling and/or messing up the lead vocals so he had to drop out  |
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Post by Riverman on Aug 9, 2015 16:18:03 GMT -5
Alan did a fantastic job on MG which has the best drumming on an Oasis album, on BHN he struggled a bit on the rawer songs, on SOTSOG he was ok, and on HC his work was poor, but also it was mixed too low. Zak's drumming was a bit generic, hitting harder doesn't make you a better drummer, but overall his works with the band were good but nothing as mindblowing as Alan on Wonderwall, but he did some great stuffs on DOYS. Agree 100% |
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Post by asimarx on Aug 9, 2015 16:41:09 GMT -5
I love the whole sound of "Some Might Say" but it was Tony McCarroll who drummed that one, his only (WTS) MG?? appearance Yes, and Acquiesce and Headshrinker. I don't know it's correct or not but I saw somewhere Tony played the drums on Bonehead's Bank Holiday too Bonehead's Bank Holiday is quintessential Whitey shuffle. To me his drumming makes at least half of the song. Just listen to that fills before they go into the last chorus! And yeah, it was recorded at Rockfield along with the rest of Morning Glory. |
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Post by Riverman on Aug 10, 2015 3:53:21 GMT -5
This thread is whack.
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Post by herbalife on Aug 12, 2015 4:21:21 GMT -5
Well I will always rate Tony McCarroll as Oasis's best drummer. I wish I could of heard what he would of done on the other albums. If Oasis reform, he is the fellow.
Allan White didn't demand to be let back into the group anyway, but...it was a big mistake letting him go.
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