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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Aug 7, 2015 11:10:15 GMT -5
Damn. Some of you guys really rate Whitey. Less than 2 full pages in and " Spectacular", " Mindblowing", " Phenomenal" & " Sublime" have all shown their faces. Either your Oasis-nostalgia is peaking into wild exaggeration territory or some people are lacking some much needed perspective. Do you think other bands fans would be jumping for joy if he joined them? Almost certainly not. If Alan played for a different band would Oasis fans even note his existence? I highly doubt it. In the wider music community he's nothing more than an average, competent drummer. Apart from a few fleeting flashes in the wider Oasis discography, the drumming on Dig Out Your Soul really stands out in my opinion and upon first listen was the element which immediately struck me as breaking away from the Oasis of old. A band which has been (quite rightly) accused of being backward facing, unoriginal, uninventive, unambitious and forever playing it so so safe. Zak did a really great job of improving an element of the band whose goal has always strived for being nothing more than passable. He may have pulled some questionable moves live but when it came down to adding to Noel's songwriting, no one added more variety in such a short space of time. About that in bold, I personally think the band lived up to those accusations (and surpassed them) with Dig Out Your Soul - easily the most derivative Oasis album ever made - and that's going some distance for them. It's probably only fair to point out that you are hardly the biggest fan of Dig Out Your Soul, and (certainly to me) have been the largest voice in discrediting it for some time now, so I'm going to take your comment with a touch of bias if that's ok? Whilst it's draws more inspiration from the past than most Oasis albums, I certainly don't think it's the band being uninventive or unambitious, and certainly not in the drumming department. Dig Out Your Soul features more styles of drumming and percussive hooks than huge suaves of the Oasis discography. Like I said Zak clearly pulled some questionable moves live but when it came down to adding to Noel's songwriting I reckon Zak did the better job. Surely the the songs themselves are more important than the performances of them that are played live. It's them which will last forever. |
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Post by globe on Aug 7, 2015 11:15:24 GMT -5
Damn. Some of you guys really rate Whitey. Less than 2 full pages in and " Spectacular", " Mindblowing", " Phenomenal" & " Sublime" have all shown their faces. Either your Oasis-nostalgia is peaking into wild exaggeration territory or some people are lacking some much needed perspective. Do you think other bands fans would be jumping for joy if he joined them? Almost certainly not. If Alan played for a different band would Oasis fans even note his existence? I highly doubt it. In the wider music community he's nothing more than an average, competent drummer. Apart from a few fleeting flashes in the wider Oasis discography, the drumming on Dig Out Your Soul really stands out in my opinion and upon first listen was the element which immediately struck me as breaking away from the Oasis of old. A band which has been (quite rightly) accused of being backward facing, unoriginal, uninventive, unambitious and forever playing it so so safe. Zak did a really great job of improving an element of the band whose goal has always strived for being nothing more than passable. He may have pulled some questionable moves live but when it came down to adding to Noel's songwriting, no one added more variety in such a short space of time. Having been into the band since 94, when Alan joined he gave the band such a fresh, funky sounds compared to Tony, so no it's not a nostalgia thing. Just before WTSMG was released there was a documentary about the band on Radio 1 where they played clips of Wonderwall for the first time, and hearing those mad off-kilter drums was what made the song sound so amazing. Hearing Zak pound his way through the songs was fecking depressing for me man, made them sound like some shitty stadium rock band like Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin or something. No doubt Zak is a talented drummer, but Oasis? Nae danger. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Aug 7, 2015 11:17:04 GMT -5
No one said Zak was shit on record, but we were talking about live. Zak is a good drummer, but like I've already said, someone like Whitey or Sharrock fit Oasis style way better. Zak's drumming is too heavy and he just whacks the drums too hard live. I wonder what the DOYS songs would have sounded like live had Zak still been with them in 2008. Zak really fits with The Who. But how couldn't that be? He got his only few drumming lessons from the one and only Keith Moon, and his first drumkit too. It was meant to be. I wasn't disagreeing about anyones opinion on Zak's live performance, I was talking about Whitey being average and Zak being (IMO) better in the studio. |
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Post by guysmiley on Aug 7, 2015 11:30:33 GMT -5
Fixed the title of your diary for you. |
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Aug 7, 2015 11:31:27 GMT -5
No one said Zak was shit on record, but we were talking about live. Zak is a good drummer, but like I've already said, someone like Whitey or Sharrock fit Oasis style way better. Zak's drumming is too heavy and he just whacks the drums too hard live. I wonder what the DOYS songs would have sounded like live had Zak still been with them in 2008. Zak really fits with The Who. But how couldn't that be? He got his only few drumming lessons from the one and only Keith Moon, and his first drumkit too. It was meant to be. The story I've always read is that John Entwistle used to go over to Ringo's house and play with Zak pretty frequently when he was just a kid. Seems he was almost groomed to be the drummer for the Who. I saw him play with Ringo's allstars ages ago on the tour with Entwistle. He looked like a kid, but when they played My Wife, everybody else on the stage seemingly disappeared. I found it to be stunning, even though that song would be way down my list of Who favorites. I'd say he is more than just competent as someone above said. Probably not the best for some Oasis songs I would agree, and Glastonbury 04 is dreadful. Hearing him bang out Bring it on Down live on DBTT tour was always a highlight for me. Oh, and back on topic I like Whitey just fine thanks. Chris felt like a real good fit also. But I do like watching the oldies with Tony. Always seems like he is just hanging on for dear life. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Aug 7, 2015 11:46:47 GMT -5
Damn. Some of you guys really rate Whitey. Less than 2 full pages in and " Spectacular", " Mindblowing", " Phenomenal" & " Sublime" have all shown their faces. Either your Oasis-nostalgia is peaking into wild exaggeration territory or some people are lacking some much needed perspective. Do you think other bands fans would be jumping for joy if he joined them? Almost certainly not. If Alan played for a different band would Oasis fans even note his existence? I highly doubt it. In the wider music community he's nothing more than an average, competent drummer. Apart from a few fleeting flashes in the wider Oasis discography, the drumming on Dig Out Your Soul really stands out in my opinion and upon first listen was the element which immediately struck me as breaking away from the Oasis of old. A band which has been (quite rightly) accused of being backward facing, unoriginal, uninventive, unambitious and forever playing it so so safe. Zak did a really great job of improving an element of the band whose goal has always strived for being nothing more than passable. He may have pulled some questionable moves live but when it came down to adding to Noel's songwriting, no one added more variety in such a short space of time. Having been into the band since 94, when Alan joined he gave the band such a fresh, funky sounds compared to Tony, so no it's not a nostalgia thing. Just before WTSMG was released there was a documentary about the band on Radio 1 where they played clips of Wonderwall for the first time, and hearing those mad off-kilter drums was what made the song sound so amazing. I'm sure Alan did sound a lot fresher and less ham fisted than Tony McCarroll, I doubt many would disagree, however I was taking aim at people who were using words like " Spectacular", " Mindblowing", " Phenomenal" & " Sublime" to describe him, which clearly aren't valid. Hmm... Can't say I agree that Led Zeppelin or Deep Purple are in any way shitty (although I don't know the ins & out of the latter) but are you saying Oasis don't sound like a stadium rock band? Not only has Noel said his Oasis songwriting deliberately catered to stadium rock, Oasis have played about as many stadiums as anyone. If you mean the genre of hard rock then I can see point as a taste thing, but I certainly feel there's no probablem with Oasis touching upon that... Liam is (or was) more than capable for something heavier anyway. |
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Post by mahsteve on Aug 7, 2015 11:52:28 GMT -5
Just to throw my opinion into the mixer
Tony mccarroll
I thought his drumming style suited DM and he sounded fine on tour. Yes perhaps he was not the most gifted drummer but at the time the songs didn't require it.
Alan white
I thought Alan's drumming really made WTSMG. He sounds great on the rockier numbers like hello and roll with it. His drumming on Wonderwall with the brushes really adds to the song and I believe it is a important component of the song. (The drumming never worked live as they played it electrically and he didn't use brushes). CS sounds great too with the variations in drumming within the song.
Steve white
I know he only did the tour of brotherly love with them in 2001 but I thought his drumming really suited the rockier songs they were playing at the time ie Columbia and fade away etc
Zak starkey
For some strange reason his drumming at the Glastonbury 2004 gig didn't seem to be too good, especially on BIOD, perhaps it was a lack of rehursals?
On the 2005-06 DBTT tour I thought his drumming was great, perhaps because they played a few songs like lyla or mucky fingers which fitted his who drumming style.
There's some interesting drumming on DOYS certainly on Bag it up and the turning massive shame these songs were not played live.
Chris sharrock
Another really good drummer with his own unique style.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 12:08:18 GMT -5
I can't agree with that man ......liam and noelARE AND WILL ALWAYS BE OASIS ...........IF NOEL AND LIAM REUNITED TODAY WITH NO WHITEY .......NOBODY WOULD CARE OR EVEN REALIZE HE WAS GONE .....THE DRUMMING IN OASIS IS NOT THAT HUGE ITS GOOD FILL THEY COULD EASILY MOVE AHEAD WITH NO WHITEY ......if they reunited right now with a session drummer , nobody would care and it would still BE OASIS. but no liam no noel.  ? NO OASIS. THAT IS THE DIFFETENCE I see where you're coming from Kalas but if they did reunite today then whether it was for a new album & long term, or simply a rehash of the glory days (94-98) then you would want the best possible line up. Alan White on drums was easily the most versatile drummer they had, even if perhaps not the most out and out Rock n' Roll. I take your point no one would care who the other musicians were (at least to begin with) but (slightly off topic) if having the right line up meant the difference between a well received comeback or being seen as a failed cash in attempt, I would definitely go with Alan Whit, Bonehead and Guigs for a "Best Of" touring the first three records. Reuniting the band for new material and subsequent tours is a different matter, as you say then all you would need is Noel and Liam, who could look at musicians they have either worked with in Oasis, solo in Noel's case or even new people who bring something new to the lineup. That said like most things I go on about it's hypothetical, but it keeps me thinking!  Brilliant post !!! I have no argument there my friend ! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 12:15:30 GMT -5
Damn. Some of you guys really rate Whitey. Less than 2 full pages in and " Spectacular", " Mindblowing", " Phenomenal" & " Sublime" have all shown their faces. Either your Oasis-nostalgia is peaking into wild exaggeration territory or some people are lacking some much needed perspective. Do you think other bands fans would be jumping for joy if he joined them? Almost certainly not. If Alan played for a different band would Oasis fans even note his existence? I highly doubt it. In the wider music community he's nothing more than an average, competent drummer. Apart from a few fleeting flashes in the wider Oasis discography, the drumming on Dig Out Your Soul really stands out in my opinion and upon first listen was the element which immediately struck me as breaking away from the Oasis of old. A band which has been (quite rightly) accused of being backward facing, unoriginal, uninventive, unambitious and forever playing it so so safe. Zak did a really great job of improving an element of the band whose goal has always strived for being nothing more than passable. He may have pulled some questionable moves live but when it came down to adding to Noel's songwriting, no one added more variety in such a short space of time. Having been into the band since 94, when Alan joined he gave the band such a fresh, funky sounds compared to Tony, so no it's not a nostalgia thing. Just before WTSMG was released there was a documentary about the band on Radio 1 where they played clips of Wonderwall for the first time, and hearing those mad off-kilter drums was what made the song sound so amazing. Hearing Zak pound his way through the songs was fecking depressing for me man, made them sound like some shitty stadium rock band like Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin or something. No doubt Zak is a talented drummer, but Oasis? Nae danger. I luv YA bro And we have had our spats. But I value your opinion !! To say ZEP are stadium rock !? I OFFER GOING TO CALIFORNIA . THANK YOU , SINCE I BEEN LOVING YOU , TEN YEARS GONE , ALL MY LOVE .............STADIUM ROCK YOU COULD NOT HAVE LOST THE PLOT ANY FURTHER ....THE BEAUTY OF ZEP IS THEY COMBINED STADIUM ROCK WITH SONGS THAT GRASPED AT YOUR HEART ......POINT IN CASE. BRAN YAN YOUR STOMP ( yes I know I spelled it wrong ). Your way off base there MATE |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 13:06:55 GMT -5
Damn. Some of you guys really rate Whitey. Less than 2 full pages in and " Spectacular", " Mindblowing", " Phenomenal" & " Sublime" have all shown their faces. Either your Oasis-nostalgia is peaking into wild exaggeration territory or some people are lacking some much needed perspective. Do you think other bands fans would be jumping for joy if he joined them? Almost certainly not. If Alan played for a different band would Oasis fans even note his existence? I highly doubt it. In the wider music community he's nothing more than an average, competent drummer. Apart from a few fleeting flashes in the wider Oasis discography, the drumming on Dig Out Your Soul really stands out in my opinion and upon first listen was the element which immediately struck me as breaking away from the Oasis of old. A band which has been (quite rightly) accused of being backward facing, unoriginal, uninventive, unambitious and forever playing it so so safe. Zak did a really great job of improving an element of the band whose goal has always strived for being nothing more than passable. He may have pulled some questionable moves live but when it came down to adding to Noel's songwriting, no one added more variety in such a short space of time. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 13:08:13 GMT -5
I always hate it when I see Champagne Supernova live at Knebworth and hear the drums during the solo
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Post by matt on Aug 7, 2015 13:16:14 GMT -5
Having been into the band since 94, when Alan joined he gave the band such a fresh, funky sounds compared to Tony, so no it's not a nostalgia thing. Just before WTSMG was released there was a documentary about the band on Radio 1 where they played clips of Wonderwall for the first time, and hearing those mad off-kilter drums was what made the song sound so amazing. Hearing Zak pound his way through the songs was fecking depressing for me man, made them sound like some shitty stadium rock band like Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin or something. No doubt Zak is a talented drummer, but Oasis? Nae danger. I luv YA bro And we have had our spats. But I value your opinion !! To say ZEP are stadium rock !? I OFFER GOING TO CALIFORNIA . THANK YOU , SINCE I BEEN LOVING YOU , TEN YEARS GONE , ALL MY LOVE .............STADIUM ROCK YOU COULD NOT HAVE LOST THE PLOT ANY FURTHER ....THE BEAUTY OF ZEP IS THEY COMBINED STADIUM ROCK WITH SONGS THAT GRASPED AT YOUR HEART ......POINT IN CASE. BRAN YAN YOUR STOMP ( yes I know I spelled it wrong ). Your way off base there MATE It must be a Scottish thing - I don't know many Scots who like Led Zeppelin (myself included)! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 13:56:00 GMT -5
globe I luv YA bro And we have had our spats. But I value your opinion !! To say ZEP are stadium rock !? I OFFER GOING TO CALIFORNIA . THANK YOU , SINCE I BEEN LOVING YOU , TEN YEARS GONE , ALL MY LOVE .............STADIUM ROCK YOU COULD NOT HAVE LOST THE PLOT ANY FURTHER ....THE BEAUTY OF ZEP IS THEY COMBINED STADIUM ROCK WITH SONGS THAT GRASPED AT YOUR HEART ......POINT IN CASE. BRAN YAN YOUR STOMP ( yes I know I spelled it wrong ). Your way off base there MATE It must be a Scottish thing - I don't know many Scots who like Led Zeppelin (myself included)! Now not liking them is fine  . But to say they are stadium rock. When they could dance every dance musically. Is just naive man |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Aug 7, 2015 14:00:44 GMT -5
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Post by Riverman on Aug 7, 2015 16:23:52 GMT -5
Some people just don't understand Alan...he was almost too good for Oasis, and the rather simple songs. He added needed technical finesse when he entered in MG. You just can't underrate his contribution. I remember reading an interview with Noel, where he "still sits back and is amazed by Alan's work during recording" (something along those lines). He even suggested substantial tempo changes which made the songs better. He's one of the most articulated musicians I have ever listened to. Maybe it takes some musical skill to truly appreciate this. As someone here pointed out, he may just be the most technical skilled musician in Oasis, ever.
Just my opinion.
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Post by Aman on Aug 8, 2015 6:01:54 GMT -5
I can't believe this is even a thread.
Shit?!
His work on MG can't be understated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 6:22:03 GMT -5
Here are drummers that drove bands
Bonzo
Neil Pert
Keith moon
Ginger baker
That's about it
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Post by mahsteve on Aug 8, 2015 6:23:30 GMT -5
I can't believe this is even a thread. Shit?! His work on MG can't be understated. I agree. A very poor thread title indeed, however, from reading through the posts it is quite evident that the majority have a real respect for Alan white and really appreciate his time with the band. I completely agree with the general consensus that his work on the morning glory album is massively important to the songs |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 6:25:18 GMT -5
To me his best performance was Rock 'n' Roll Star live at Earls Court
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 6:27:47 GMT -5
I can't believe this is even a thread. Shit?! His work on MG can't be understated. I agree. A very poor thread title indeed, however, from reading through the posts it is quite evident that the majority have a real respect for Alan white and really appreciate his time with the band. I completely agree with the general consensus that his work on the morning glory album is massively important to the songs If tony drummed on it NOBODY WOULD HAVE EVER SAID A WORD ABOUT WHITE .......DLBIA. SUPERNOVA. ROLL WITH IT. CAST THE WHOLE LP IS ABOUT NOELS LYEICS AND LIAMS INTERPERTATION VOCALLY. AND IF ALAN NEVER PLAYED A NOTE ...NOBODY WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE ...FACE IT HE KEPT TIME , HE WAS NOT THIS GREAT DRUNMER SIME HERE MAKING HIM OUT TO BE |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 8, 2015 6:36:34 GMT -5
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Of course not, we wouldn't have known better. Alan White is hardly Bonzo, but he is a jazz drummer, which is different from a rock drummer anyway, and he is heaps better than Tony. McCarroll was struggling with simple songs already. He wouldn't even be able to drum something like Wonderwall.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 6:42:14 GMT -5
The point is white is a decent keeper of time. And WONDERWALL. Is not exactly A DRUM TUNE THAT PEOPLE SAY ...."WOW WHAT A FILL ". ITS ABOUT THE LYRICS AND LIAMS VPICE AND ANYONE , TONY INCLUDED COULD HAVE PLAYED ..... AGAIN DRINKING KOOL AID. LOOK WHITE IS A DECENT DRUMMER. BUT THATS ABOUT IT. ONE OF THE BEST OASIS SHOWS I EVER SAW , HIS BROTHER FILLED IN. NOBODY CARED
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Post by Bruno on Aug 8, 2015 6:44:07 GMT -5
Alan was a great drummer in my opinion. I really liked his jazz style and softer touch, his drumming on Wonderwall, DLBIA, Cast No Shadow and basically the WTSMG album cannot be overlooked. It might not be what makes the songs of course but it certainly added something extra to them which I really like.
Also, there's no way Tony could've made the drum parts on those songs sound that good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 6:53:33 GMT -5
Alan was a great drummer in my opinion. I really liked his jazz style and softer touch, his drumming on Wonderwall, DLBIA, Cast No Shadow and basically the WTSMG album cannot be overlooked. It might not be what makes the songs of course but it certainly added something extra to them which I really like. Also, there's no way Tony could've made the drum parts on those songs sound that good. My buddy Joel plays all of wonder wall note for note .......the drum parts are not tjat big of a deal. and if your ever in brooklyn New York you can hear it for yourself and swear it was whitey. He is a good drummer , but so many session drummers could have played it ...... And so many cover it. Very easily |
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