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Post by andrewmattcoles on Jun 6, 2015 16:52:35 GMT -5
I personally love BHN album as do a ton of others on the forum.
People often say it was hyped up and didn't live up to it and then people say it was a disaster. But I think people suddenly decided it was no longer fashionable to like oasis and that was that.
DYKWIM was eagerly anticipated. Mtv went nuts for it (video launch) it went to number 1 and people were positive. Don't recall people saying it was too long or rewrite if wonderwall
Then BHN album was launched and was mega fast selling
The next single went to number 2 (but I count this as a number 2 any other time, as princess Diana died and elton johns song was number 1 - so that's pretty good
Their live shows were amazing at this time
AATW went to number 1 too
So surely people were still loving oasis really and BHN was still liked
Just seems to me people have then jumped in the bandwagon of "songs too long ".
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Post by LightsOffInside on Jun 6, 2015 17:00:22 GMT -5
In a way it's ironic, as WTSMG initially received mixed reviews, but is now regarded as one of the greatest albums of all time. In BHN's case, the hype was so great, and critics were jumping on the opportunity to be part of the bands success and hype, that all initial reviews were positive, and no-one dared say a bad word against the world's biggest band.
But alas, like with many things, only time can tell its place in history.
Thankfully, it has since become a 'gem' amongst fans. The album defined an incredible time of the 90's.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 6, 2015 17:03:13 GMT -5
I remember listening to the evening session with Steve Lamaq on BBC Radio 1 shortly before BHN was released. Lamaq played half the album one night and was going to play the rest the next evening. Unfortunately oasis management, ignition, prevented him playing the rest of the album saying that he didn't talk enough over the songs the previous night.
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Post by derektrotter on Jun 6, 2015 17:08:20 GMT -5
Best album ever!
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 6, 2015 17:08:47 GMT -5
In a way it's ironic, as WTSMG initially received mixed reviews, but is now regarded as one of the greatest albums of all time. In BHN's case, the hype was so great, and critics were jumping on the opportunity to be part of the bands success and hype, that all initial reviews were positive, and no-one dared say a bad word against the world's biggest band. But alas, like with many things, only time can tell its place in history. Thankfully, it has since become a 'gem' amongst fans. The album defined an incredible time of the 90's. Yeah I agree, it was ridiculous at the time. Q magazine gave the album 5 stars which was a bit over the top. I think the whole episode massively influenced music journalism in that they wouldn't give OTT levels of positive reviews and would not be as influenced by management companies making the. Sign confidentiality clauses etc etc |
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Post by allingoodtime on Jun 6, 2015 17:23:58 GMT -5
I think BHN is a very good album
DYKWIM was the perfect song to get Oasis back after WTSMG but the album is too long. I don't really mind Noel's complaints such as there being a riff every time Liam isn't singing. The main problem is the length of the songs.
AATW is one of my favourite Oasis songs, but I had to edit it myself to fully enjoy it.
Stand by me and Its getting better man are both great but also slightly too long.
Others such as The girl in the dirty shirt and Fade in out are gems.
I hope I think I know, be here now + My big mouth are good.
Not a fan of Don't go away, it's too whiny.
Magic Pie is crap.
Its funny how WTSMG and BHN had reverse criticism's as mentioned earlier..MG was initially slated and is now considered as one of the best albums of all time.
BHN is unfairly criticised ..It was released following 2 of the best albums of all time and had very high expectations. I think considering Oasis reached their peak in 95, BHN was a great effort but could have been better had they taken the album more seriously.
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Post by globe on Jun 6, 2015 17:49:33 GMT -5
When it was released it thought it was the greatest album of all time. Why? Because I was just as much as much off my tits as the band was.
In the cold light of day, it's crap.
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Post by mkoasis on Jun 6, 2015 17:55:49 GMT -5
About the Wonderwall/DYKWIM thing...okay both songs use almost identical verse chords and a capo on 2nd but beyond that, they are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT songs in every respect. If anything, I think more of the song because it uses the chords of their biggest worldwide hit to make something so different - and for a highly anticipated comeback single! Wonderwall is a statement of vulnerability, DYKWIM is a statement of total vindication.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Jun 6, 2015 18:26:26 GMT -5
When it was released it thought it was the greatest album of all time. Why? Because I was just as much as much off my tits as the band was. In the cold light of day, it's crap. Ok you maybe overrated it when it first came out, But to say it's now crap is way over the top. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 18:32:06 GMT -5
Horrible production.
Mundane lyrics.
Songs too long.
More than one weak track.
But without a doubt, the coolest album ever released.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 6, 2015 18:33:34 GMT -5
Big fan at the time of release. I was caught up in the Oasis mania of everything needing to be colossal. Be Here Now fit the bill. I still love it even knowing it will never be considered a "classic" album or an album of cultural significance. Fun listen.
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Post by carryusall on Jun 6, 2015 19:01:53 GMT -5
Big fan at the time of release. I was caught up in the Oasis mania of everything needing to be colossal. Be Here Now fit the bill. I still love it even knowing it will never be considered a "classic" album or an album of cultural significance. Fun listen. I think that just because of its immense success, and the role it played in changing the trajectory of Britain's biggest band, it is a culturally significant album. You're right though, it will never be considered a classic. And may never even be considered good. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jun 6, 2015 20:08:06 GMT -5
Probably my biggest gripe with Oasis that Noel refuses to admit its better than anything he put out since.
There's no way he can hear Don't Go Away, Stand By Me or even songs like IHITIK and not know this was the last time he really had that magic about his songwriting.
I think the whole period being bad for him personally and physically just adds to his hatred. Its a rather selfish hatred when so many of us love those songs.
Without doubt the 3rd best behind the first 2 albums. Its tarnished with the "completely shit" brush by critics but we know that isn't the case at all.
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Post by World71R on Jun 6, 2015 20:09:32 GMT -5
Big fan at the time of release. I was caught up in the Oasis mania of everything needing to be colossal. Be Here Now fit the bill. I still love it even knowing it will never be considered a "classic" album or an album of cultural significance. Fun listen. I think that just because of its immense success, and the role it played in changing the trajectory of Britain's biggest band, it is a culturally significant album. You're right though, it will never be considered a classic. And may never even be considered good. Well, that's with the general public, but fuck them. Thanks to them, people like Nicki Minaj are somehow famous.  |
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Post by carryusall on Jun 6, 2015 20:11:49 GMT -5
I think that just because of its immense success, and the role it played in changing the trajectory of Britain's biggest band, it is a culturally significant album. You're right though, it will never be considered a classic. And may never even be considered good. Well, that's with the general public, but fuck them. Thanks to them, people like Nicki Minaj are somehow famous. Oh yeah don't get me wrong, I love Be Here Now, listen to it all the time, probably the most of all the Oasis albums. I kind of get it's reputation though. And if you don't like Oasis, it has more Oasis than any of their other albums  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 20:16:49 GMT -5
"This is the trouble with the public, they're fucking horrible!" - Peter Mannion
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Post by World71R on Jun 6, 2015 20:18:34 GMT -5
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I truly think that BHN was about 2 songs (Stay Young replacing Magic Pie, Flashbax replacing Be Here Now), some stripping back, and some shorter song lengths for DYKWIM, SBM, TGITDS, FI-O, AATW, and IGBM away from being the best album Oasis ever did, and it being the album that propelled the band to being considered one of the all-time greats. Sure, it was a great time for us fans who were around at the time, but it was a big missed opportunity that I'm sure Noel regrets to this day.
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Post by Headmaster on Jun 6, 2015 21:22:43 GMT -5
I bet Noel think it as a very good album, but he will never admit it in public.
Yeah he cringes everytime someone mentions BHN to him, but not because it' bad, but because it was a huge missed oportunity for the band, it was supposed to be their Sgt Pepper's, but ended up being an overblow mistake.
I like the album a lot, but have you try to listen to it in one sit lately?
I just can't, it's too dam long, too many guitar solos and the production is too busy.
BHN badly needed some edits, cut the fat and also needed some acoustic moments to give a relife to the ears.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 7, 2015 0:34:25 GMT -5
When the BHN chasing the sun reissue comes out it wi be interesting to read the reviews and how NME, Q magazine etc perceive the album now, about 18 years later. I wouldn't be surprised if they agree with what seems the majority of people's thoughts on this forum eg everyone got carried away with it, it's a bit too long, poor production, a few poor songs and lyrics but that it also contains some great songs and Liam's voice is strong. A Missed opportunity?
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Post by Ebby Calvin 'Nuke' LaLoosh on Jun 7, 2015 2:00:20 GMT -5
I remember thinking the album was good but also thinking it was no where near the first two albums except for a couple songs - DYKWIM, SBM, DGA - and even those are generic sounding lyrically.
God bless.
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Post by scott1 on Jun 7, 2015 2:53:08 GMT -5
From the stories I've read that recount people's experience of Be Here Now when it was released, many of them consist of the buyer putting it on for the first time with a group of his friends (as you probably would for what was such a big occasion) and two or three songs in they all realise it's rubbish but nobody has it in them to say so.
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Post by Aman on Jun 7, 2015 6:34:05 GMT -5
As someone has already said, listen to it fully in one sitting and you can see where the gripes come from.
Listening to the individual songs is obviously a different matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 6:43:23 GMT -5
"At that time we thought it was fucking great, and I still think it's great. It just wasn't Morning Glory." - Liam Gallagher, 2003
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 7, 2015 8:34:47 GMT -5
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Post by Adam on Jun 7, 2015 8:37:58 GMT -5
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