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Post by gdforever on May 13, 2015 18:44:06 GMT -5
No venue is going to book you to an arena unless you have the success to suggest that you can fill it. You get the album sales THEN you get the big gigs. Like Noel did. What DOES kill public perception is booking yourself to massive venues and only selling half the seats or worse. Or touring too long like BDI on the DGSS tour when they couldn't even sell out the Swindon Oasis. On the touring front they were screwed over by Gem's injuries. Doesn't matter where they were booked in the end. Most of it would have to have been cancelled Castlefield is 6,000 capacity so hardly that big. Plus The Courteeners have sold out Manchester Arena 3 times despite selling less albums than BE so getting booked wouldnt be a problem. A hometown gig for Beady Eye would easilly shift at least 16,000 tickets. Actually a quick glance at Wikipedia shows The Courteeners have 2 gold certified records...so that means they have sold AT LEAST 600K in the UK assuming that neither of the other albums did much of anything. Which means they've sold at least twice what BDI have. I just doubt it was garangeed they had that much pull even in their hometown. And having less than a sold out hometown gig would have been an atrocity. |
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Post by jaq515 on May 13, 2015 19:04:15 GMT -5
Right…. So do YOU think they had mass appeal? If so, how did they fail to move on to bigger venues or sell them out towards the end? Why did they split up and why did Andy say that Liam's heart wasn't in it anymore? All down to 'poor management' and Gem's injury? While I totally think that the latter two didn't help matters, I mean, come on… I never mentioned mass appeal YOU did .. Any artist ever playing to 1500 people in their hometown won't show a spectrum of fans it'll be the hardcore.. YOU was using that gig as an example of... You've justified your opinion fully so mine won't help matters, I mean, come on... |
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Post by lalaland on May 13, 2015 19:26:43 GMT -5
Right…. So do YOU think they had mass appeal? If so, how did they fail to move on to bigger venues or sell them out towards the end? Why did they split up and why did Andy say that Liam's heart wasn't in it anymore? All down to 'poor management' and Gem's injury? While I totally think that the latter two didn't help matters, I mean, come on… I never mentioned mass appeal YOU did .. Any artist ever playing to 1500 people in their hometown won't show a spectrum of fans it'll be the hardcore.. YOU was using that gig as an example of... You've justified your opinion fully so mine won't help matters, I mean, come on… Fine, no need to argue this further me thinks… At the end of the day, they're not around anymore and while I personally think it's a shame that things didn't work out for them, for whatever reason, I'd hope that Liam will make a comeback of some shape or form in the future... |
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Post by jaq515 on May 14, 2015 2:04:36 GMT -5
Castlefield is 6,000 capacity so hardly that big. Plus The Courteeners have sold out Manchester Arena 3 times despite selling less albums than BE so getting booked wouldnt be a problem. A hometown gig for Beady Eye would easilly shift at least 16,000 tickets. Actually a quick glance at Wikipedia shows The Courteeners have 2 gold certified records...so that means they have sold AT LEAST 600K in the UK assuming that neither of the other albums did much of anything. Which means they've sold at least twice what BDI have. I just doubt it was garangeed they had that much pull even in their hometown. And having less than a sold out hometown gig would have been an atrocity. How are you working those record sales out? A gold disk is 100,000 sales. It was their first 2 albums that sold this amount, the second album took 5 months to go gold where their debut went gold week of release, so their sales have massive dwindled / slowed after their debut and the last 2 albums haven't been certificated yet. I'd guess that leaves their record sales of last 2 albums a similar amount to BE and their debut similar amount as DGSS. |
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Post by space75gr on May 14, 2015 3:48:28 GMT -5
jaq515 is right.
i never undrestood their decision not to play a massive manchester show.
it worked perfect for The Courteeners and it could work perfect for beady eye too and give them more press and momentum.they could have a massive manchester gig anytime and with a few good friends around as suport acts things could only get better for BE
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Post by frogerz on May 14, 2015 6:14:10 GMT -5
The facts are these, they sold 6,200 tickets (Two Manchester Acadamy shows) sold out in 1 day. I would say based on that they could have sold out at least two Castlefield shows(Total 12,000 capacity).
My point is there was no real buzz around the band's gigs. All of which were run of the mill stuff so it's hardly going to attract a new audience.
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Post by gdforever on May 14, 2015 15:27:13 GMT -5
Actually a quick glance at Wikipedia shows The Courteeners have 2 gold certified records...so that means they have sold AT LEAST 600K in the UK assuming that neither of the other albums did much of anything. Which means they've sold at least twice what BDI have. I just doubt it was garangeed they had that much pull even in their hometown. And having less than a sold out hometown gig would have been an atrocity. How are you working those record sales out? A gold disk is 100,000 sales. It was their first 2 albums that sold this amount, the second album took 5 months to go gold where their debut went gold week of release, so their sales have massive dwindled / slowed after their debut and the last 2 albums haven't been certificated yet. I'd guess that leaves their record sales of last 2 albums a similar amount to BE and their debut similar amount as DGSS. You know what. I was thinking platinum |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 14, 2015 15:43:41 GMT -5
The facts are these, they sold 6,200 tickets (Two Manchester Acadamy shows) sold out in 1 day. I would say based on that they could have sold out at least two Castlefield shows(Total 12,000 capacity). My point is there was no real buzz around the band's gigs. All of which were run of the mill stuff so it's hardly going to attract a new audience. Never went to see them then? There live shows were excellent. One of the best live bands I've seen. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 14, 2015 15:58:22 GMT -5
The facts are these, they sold 6,200 tickets (Two Manchester Acadamy shows) sold out in 1 day. I would say based on that they could have sold out at least two Castlefield shows(Total 12,000 capacity). My point is there was no real buzz around the band's gigs. All of which were run of the mill stuff so it's hardly going to attract a new audience. Never went to see them then? There live shows were excellent. One of the best live bands I've seen. I would've never said that  Joking,I haven't seen many live bands as you can see in my signature,but BE were fantastic,Liam's voice was on top form too |
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Post by frogerz on May 15, 2015 4:41:45 GMT -5
The facts are these, they sold 6,200 tickets (Two Manchester Acadamy shows) sold out in 1 day. I would say based on that they could have sold out at least two Castlefield shows(Total 12,000 capacity). My point is there was no real buzz around the band's gigs. All of which were run of the mill stuff so it's hardly going to attract a new audience. Never went to see them then? There live shows were excellent. One of the best live bands I've seen. I have seen them live and loved it. The Manchester gig in 2013 was one of the best I've been too, hence I wanted them to reach greater heights. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 10:16:19 GMT -5
It's a shame I couldn't see them Paradiso, Amsterdam 2013.
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Post by mimmihopps on May 15, 2015 11:20:44 GMT -5
It's a shame I couldn't see them Paradiso, Amsterdam 2013. They played 4 times in The Netherlands. Paradiso in March 2011, Lowlands in 2011, HMH in October 2011 and Paradiso in February 2014. I was at 3 of those gigs. Only their first Paradiso gig was sold out. |
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Post by Guy Fawkes on May 15, 2015 11:28:49 GMT -5
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 15, 2015 12:35:58 GMT -5
It's a shame I couldn't see them Paradiso, Amsterdam 2013. They played 4 times in The Netherlands. Paradiso in March 2011, Lowlands in 2011, HMH in October 2011 and Paradiso in February 2014. I was at 3 of those gigs. Only their first Paradiso gig was sold out. HMH? Really? Way too big for them. |
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Post by mimmihopps on May 15, 2015 12:41:42 GMT -5
They played 4 times in The Netherlands. Paradiso in March 2011, Lowlands in 2011, HMH in October 2011 and Paradiso in February 2014. I was at 3 of those gigs. Only their first Paradiso gig was sold out. HMH? Really? Way too big for them. It was and I blame Mojo for that fault. Less than half venue was filled. As seeing Oasis back in 2005 and 2009 in HMH myself, brought me tears when I saw Beady Eye with same, but rather empty venue. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 15, 2015 12:50:01 GMT -5
HMH? Really? Way too big for them. It was and I blame Mojo for that fault. Less than half venue was filled. As seeing Oasis back in 2005 and 2009 in HMH myself, brought me tears when I saw Beady Eye with same, but rather empty venue. Pffff. Tivoli would have been a much better size for them. Stupid move. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 14:14:11 GMT -5
It was and I blame Mojo for that fault. Less than half venue was filled. As seeing Oasis back in 2005 and 2009 in HMH myself, brought me tears when I saw Beady Eye with same, but rather empty venue. Pffff. Tivoli would have been a much better size for them. Stupid move. Noel could easy fill the Ziggo Dome or HMH |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 15, 2015 14:32:41 GMT -5
Pffff. Tivoli would have been a much better size for them. Stupid move. Noel could easy fill the Ziggo Dome or HMH The HMH possibly. The Ziggo Dome though? The capacity of that venue is 17.000, I don't think he could fill that on his own here. |
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Post by mimmihopps on May 15, 2015 15:45:12 GMT -5
Pffff. Tivoli would have been a much better size for them. Stupid move. Noel could easy fill the Ziggo Dome or HMH He could fill HMH although I wouldn't be happy if he does and no for Ziggo Dome. I found barriers annoying enough. I prefer smaller venues. |
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Post by Binary Sunset on May 15, 2015 16:12:54 GMT -5
All I'll say on the subject is that this is the best performance of either of them since 2000, and this really had me excited for the possibilities!
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Post by Ltrain on May 20, 2015 8:05:00 GMT -5
Yep.
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Post by bestwick8 on May 20, 2015 8:32:46 GMT -5
Really pissed still I flew to coachella for them and they cancelled. But I blame there failure on promotion and management, probably mentioned already... And the timing and choice of singles.
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Post by Guy Fawkes on May 20, 2015 19:46:50 GMT -5
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Post by monkian on May 21, 2015 6:03:59 GMT -5
All I'll say on the subject is that this is the best performance of either of them since 2000, and this really had me excited for the possibilities! Stunning vocal on that. Shame it's not their song. |
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Post by GlastoEls on May 24, 2015 17:17:05 GMT -5
Manchester = not Beady Eye's home gig.
Liam maybe Manchester.
But Andy Bell = Oxford.
Gem = Durham.
Chris = Cheshire.
Jay = Philadelphia.
I know what you mean as Liam is the star but...
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