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Post by underneaththesky on May 11, 2015 11:52:47 GMT -5
Compared to Oasis, yes. But other artists certainly not, I'M sure people like Miles Kane would have loved their album sales. Their management was a main factor behind them failing, no big gigs to get some real buzz about the band. Castlefield or Manchester Arena would have been ideal. quoting you because it sums up what a few people think round here sure lots of new bands would have loved their albums sales.. and that Miles Kane dude..he sold nothing but you can't compare them with any other indie bands Beady Eye had LIAM FUCKING GALLAGHER as a frontman and this is what happened. the 'main factor' is that they didn't have AMAZING tunes. still love The Roller, Four Letter Word, Millionaire, Wigwam and The Morning Son. but you havent got a HIT in there. more relax on the 2nd one, it sounds fresh and inspired. not trying to be better than Oasis, like Liam was praying for before DGSS. oh those Mondays. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 11, 2015 14:15:54 GMT -5
YES finally.
You can come up with all sorts of reasons, like management or bad luck, but the biggest factor is that the songs weren't there. The songs mentioned are great, but no hits indeed. It's just disappointing for ex members of such a big band. They could have been bigger. I would have liked them to have been bigger.
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Post by joladella on May 11, 2015 14:29:32 GMT -5
To answer your question, DGSS sold 200,000 copies and Liam for one was saying before BE was released that if they didn't do better second time round he'd call it a day. So when BE sold just 75,000 and the gigs failed to sell out then the writing was on the wall. I have no idea when and where, but when he was asked about that quote later during the album campaign he said something like that he was not really serious, that maybe he'd be fed up with all of it for a while if that happened, but not forever. At least I'm pretty sure I don't imagine having read/heard that out of wishful thinking.  |
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Post by mystoryisgory on May 11, 2015 17:30:53 GMT -5
I'd say that the real time where BDI failed was when they started playing NOEL-WRITTEN Oasis songs live. That showed they were really struggling when they needed to play songs everyone knew. Tbh I wouldn't have minded hearing songs like TUTS, Eyeball Tickler, Songbird, I'm Outta Time, TBWTL, and Boy with the Blues live!! LAG did have a few somewhat decent tunes, and even if they were bad, they were a heck of a lot better than a lot of DGSS!
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Post by World71R on May 11, 2015 18:01:42 GMT -5
YES finally. You can come up with all sorts of reasons, like management or bad luck, but the biggest factor is that the songs weren't there. The songs mentioned are great, but no hits indeed. It's just disappointing for ex members of such a big band. They could have been bigger. I would have liked them to have been bigger.I think their execution hurt that big time. Like with the lead single, for example, Four Letter Word would've been a great statement to the public to really let everyone know that they meant business, but instead they went with a retro, Jerry Lee Lewis-esque song. That was something that definitely affected the way people viewed the band, and really brought the retro stigma upon themselves, as a result. The BE singles selection were worse, though. I cannot believe that both Second Bite of the Apple and Shine a Light were singles, but not brilliant little tunes like Off at the Next Exit or Back After the Break, which would've fit well in a radio environment. (Just realized that FOTF was never a proper single, also. Wow.) |
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Post by World71R on May 11, 2015 18:05:48 GMT -5
I'd say that the real time where BDI failed was when they started playing NOEL-WRITTEN Oasis songs live. That showed they were really struggling when they needed to play songs everyone knew. Tbh I wouldn't have minded hearing songs like TUTS, Eyeball Tickler, Songbird, I'm Outta Time, TBWTL, and Boy with the Blues live!! LAG did have a few somewhat decent tunes, and even if they were bad, they were a heck of a lot better than a lot of DGSS! Even something like Songbird would've been recognizable to people, as opposed to just playing the Noel songs. A setlist with TUTS, Songbird, TBWTL, Eyeball Tickler and BWTB would've been realistic, imo, because all of them are not very strenuous for Liam to sing, and with the right arrangement, they work in a live setting. ET may have been a little strenuous for Liam, but then again, it was doing stuff like Morning Glory and Cigarettes & Alcohol, along with FLW, so why not that? |
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Post by Manualex on May 11, 2015 18:36:03 GMT -5
YES finally. You can come up with all sorts of reasons, like management or bad luck, but the biggest factor is that the songs weren't there. The songs mentioned are great, but no hits indeed. It's just disappointing for ex members of such a big band. They could have been bigger. I would have liked them to have been bigger.I think their execution hurt that big time. Like with the lead single, for example, Four Letter Word would've been a great statement to the public to really let everyone know that they meant business, but instead they went with a retro, Jerry Lee Lewis-esque song. That was something that definitely affected the way people viewed the band, and really brought the retro stigma upon themselves, as a result. The BE singles selection were worse, though. I cannot believe that both Second Bite of the Apple and Shine a Light were singles, but not brilliant little tunes like Off at the Next Exit or Back After the Break, which would've fit well in a radio environment. (Just realized that FOTF was never a proper single, also. Wow.) I still dont know what the strategy was for the release of BE, but Hem'd injuries didnt help. |
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Post by World71R on May 11, 2015 19:16:20 GMT -5
I think their execution hurt that big time. Like with the lead single, for example, Four Letter Word would've been a great statement to the public to really let everyone know that they meant business, but instead they went with a retro, Jerry Lee Lewis-esque song. That was something that definitely affected the way people viewed the band, and really brought the retro stigma upon themselves, as a result. The BE singles selection were worse, though. I cannot believe that both Second Bite of the Apple and Shine a Light were singles, but not brilliant little tunes like Off at the Next Exit or Back After the Break, which would've fit well in a radio environment. (Just realized that FOTF was never a proper single, also. Wow.) I still dont know what the strategy was for the release of BE, but Hem'd injuries didnt help. Between how the singles were released, and the promotion they did, it was confusing for sure. Sure they did Radio 1, but even that got delayed by a week. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 12, 2015 4:00:14 GMT -5
Did Tom Brady kill himself after being exposed as a cheat? |
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Post by Francis Xavier Cross on May 12, 2015 4:03:36 GMT -5
Did Tom Brady kill himself after being exposed as a cheat? I love how you never break character. Thanks. |
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Post by rekrelf on May 12, 2015 6:13:49 GMT -5
It´s sad, because all of them are really good musicans...!!!
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Post by vespa on May 12, 2015 9:34:34 GMT -5
what do people deem a success?? beady sold what 700,000 copies of 2 albums? take the so called big acts like kasabian,artics,miles kane etc, they dont sell many more than that and the only people really selling albums are people like ed sheeran and sam smith who are the hyped thing at the minute.The problem with beady eye is the fact they needed a couple of big radio singles and better prmotion not just living off the oasis reputation, also liam should have dropped his name in the band name, alot of people never knew they existed . The second point really is liam is oasis ,thats all he is seen for and lives and breathes it yet apart form his cult fans he aint a popular guy and the scandals secured that status and hit the album sales.
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Post by Manualex on May 12, 2015 9:46:03 GMT -5
what do people deem a success?? beady sold what 700,000 copies of 2 albums? take the so called big acts like kasabian,artics,miles kane etc, they dont sell many more than that and the only people really selling albums are people like ed sheeran and sam smith who are the hyped thing at the minute.The problem with beady eye is the fact they needed a couple of big radio singles and better prmotion not just living off the oasis reputation, also liam should have dropped his name in the band name, alot of people never knew they existed . The second point really is liam is oasis ,thats all he is seen for and lives and breathes it yet apart form his cult fans he aint a popular guy and the scandals secured that status and hit the album sales. compared to Oasis, it was a failure. The only thing that they shared was the chart possition of the initial singles in supersonic/the roller. |
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Post by derektrotter on May 12, 2015 10:05:18 GMT -5
THEY WERE GREAT, SO SAD THAT THEY CALLED IT A DAY...THEY DESERVED MORE.
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Post by vespa on May 12, 2015 12:50:50 GMT -5
Just cos its basically oasis it doesnt mean you should compare..yes they underwhelmed but i dont think they flopped
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 13:19:58 GMT -5
Failure is defined as a lack of success. Success is the accomplishment of an aim or purpose or the attainment of fame, wealth or social status. www.nme.com/news/beady-eye/55869Did Beady Eye fail in their aim or purpose? If you want to be technical about it then yes they did. Did they fail in my own personal universe? No they did not. They released two albums, one of which is average, the other of which is great and I still enjoy listening to their music. To me, they didn't fail. |
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Post by frogerz on May 13, 2015 7:08:37 GMT -5
what do people deem a success?? beady sold what 700,000 copies of 2 albums? take the so called big acts like kasabian,artics,miles kane etc, they dont sell many more than that and the only people really selling albums are people like ed sheeran and sam smith who are the hyped thing at the minute.The problem with beady eye is the fact they needed a couple of big radio singles and better prmotion not just living off the oasis reputation, also liam should have dropped his name in the band name, alot of people never knew they existed . The second point really is liam is oasis ,thats all he is seen for and lives and breathes it yet apart form his cult fans he aint a popular guy and the scandals secured that status and hit the album sales. This is spot on, very few acts are selling big these days bar 'pop' music or more established acts like Blur etc. The point is Beady Eye's success could have been made on the back of live gigs rather than amazing album sales. As I have stated before this comes down to the management(lack of). Some big gigs to drive up some hype around the band were needed. Something like a weekend at Castlefield, Manchester Arena, or a reduced Heaton Park Capacity(Like the Courteeners are doing) would have been ideal and the 'talk of the town'. This would have got radio play and good press. But sadly this didn't happen and instead we got a pretty average tour and nothing else. |
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Post by gdforever on May 13, 2015 7:40:16 GMT -5
This is spot on, very few acts are selling big these days bar 'pop' music or more established acts like Blur etc. The point is Beady Eye's success could have been made on the back of live gigs rather than amazing album sales. As I have stated before this comes down to the management(lack of). Some big gigs to drive up some hype around the band were needed. Something like a weekend at Castlefield, Manchester Arena, or a reduced Heaton Park Capacity(Like the Courteeners are doing) would have been ideal and the 'talk of the town'. This would have got radio play and good press. But sadly this didn't happen and instead we got a pretty average tour and nothing else. No venue is going to book you to an arena unless you have the success to suggest that you can fill it. You get the album sales THEN you get the big gigs. Like Noel did. What DOES kill public perception is booking yourself to massive venues and only selling half the seats or worse. Or touring too long like BDI on the DGSS tour when they couldn't even sell out the Swindon Oasis. On the touring front they were screwed over by Gem's injuries. Doesn't matter where they were booked in the end. Most of it would have to have been cancelled |
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Post by frogerz on May 13, 2015 8:42:51 GMT -5
This is spot on, very few acts are selling big these days bar 'pop' music or more established acts like Blur etc. The point is Beady Eye's success could have been made on the back of live gigs rather than amazing album sales. As I have stated before this comes down to the management(lack of). Some big gigs to drive up some hype around the band were needed. Something like a weekend at Castlefield, Manchester Arena, or a reduced Heaton Park Capacity(Like the Courteeners are doing) would have been ideal and the 'talk of the town'. This would have got radio play and good press. But sadly this didn't happen and instead we got a pretty average tour and nothing else. No venue is going to book you to an arena unless you have the success to suggest that you can fill it. You get the album sales THEN you get the big gigs. Like Noel did. What DOES kill public perception is booking yourself to massive venues and only selling half the seats or worse. Or touring too long like BDI on the DGSS tour when they couldn't even sell out the Swindon Oasis. On the touring front they were screwed over by Gem's injuries. Doesn't matter where they were booked in the end. Most of it would have to have been cancelled Castlefield is 6,000 capacity so hardly that big. Plus The Courteeners have sold out Manchester Arena 3 times despite selling less albums than BE so getting booked wouldnt be a problem. A hometown gig for Beady Eye would easilly shift at least 16,000 tickets. |
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Post by lalaland on May 13, 2015 15:48:37 GMT -5
No venue is going to book you to an arena unless you have the success to suggest that you can fill it. You get the album sales THEN you get the big gigs. Like Noel did. What DOES kill public perception is booking yourself to massive venues and only selling half the seats or worse. Or touring too long like BDI on the DGSS tour when they couldn't even sell out the Swindon Oasis. On the touring front they were screwed over by Gem's injuries. Doesn't matter where they were booked in the end. Most of it would have to have been cancelled Castlefield is 6,000 capacity so hardly that big. Plus The Courteeners have sold out Manchester Arena 3 times despite selling less albums than BE so getting booked wouldnt be a problem. A hometown gig for Beady Eye would easilly shift at least 16,000 tickets.Oh come on…. If I remember correctly, they played the Ritz at some point(s)? That's got a 1,500 capacity and apparently even that didn't sell out... |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 16:08:25 GMT -5
I think they went from a band to just a side-project the moment they first started playing Oasis songs (which are just as much Liam's as they are Noel's I might add!.
They clearly started off with plenty of belief and confident that they were going to be great but that all seemed to fade away pretty quickly. They could have been an exciting new band if they had the songs but unfortunately they didn't and so they became Liam Gallagher & Friends.
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Post by jaq515 on May 13, 2015 16:25:07 GMT -5
Castlefield is 6,000 capacity so hardly that big. Plus The Courteeners have sold out Manchester Arena 3 times despite selling less albums than BE so getting booked wouldnt be a problem. A hometown gig for Beady Eye would easilly shift at least 16,000 tickets.Oh come on…. If I remember correctly, they played the Ritz at some point(s)? That's got a 1,500 capacity and apparently even that didn't sell out... thats not true at al ritz sold out instantlyl.. Beady eye only didnt sell out some of the venues on the last bit off the DGSS tour cos they played 25 academy type venues (2-3000k in a 6 month period) plus a busy festival schedule. They still sold a lot of tickets and played to a lot of people They played literally every song they had in their arsenal and people had already seen it somewhere else |
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Post by lalaland on May 13, 2015 17:53:57 GMT -5
Oh come on…. If I remember correctly, they played the Ritz at some point(s)? That's got a 1,500 capacity and apparently even that didn't sell out... thats not true at al ritz sold out instantlyl.. Beady eye only didnt sell out some of the venues on the last bit off the DGSS tour cos they played 25 academy type venues (2-3000k in a 6 month period) plus a busy festival schedule. They still sold a lot of tickets and played to a lot of people They played literally every song they had in their arsenal and people had already seen it somewhere else Fair enough, so they did sell out the Ritz. My main point however was re the statement that they could shift 16,000 tickets at a hometown gig…. 1,500 people or even 2-3k is obviously only a fraction of that…. On the whole, my impression was that Beady Eye largely failed to generate / attract a new audience… Looking at the queue outside the Ritz back then, the vast majority were typical young Liam fanboys plus some people in their 30s/40s. Nothing wrong with either but it's clearly not the same as attracting a mainstream / mass audience. Again, not saying that every band ultimately needs to do that but as many people on here have stated, it is what Liam had seemingly wanted and hence why he / the band was disappointed when that didn't happen. |
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Post by jaq515 on May 13, 2015 18:13:09 GMT -5
thats not true at al ritz sold out instantlyl.. Beady eye only didnt sell out some of the venues on the last bit off the DGSS tour cos they played 25 academy type venues (2-3000k in a 6 month period) plus a busy festival schedule. They still sold a lot of tickets and played to a lot of people They played literally every song they had in their arsenal and people had already seen it somewhere else Fair enough, so they did sell out the Ritz. My main point however was re the statement that they could shift 16,000 tickets at a hometown gig…. 1,500 people or even 2-3k is obviously only a fraction of that…. On the whole, my impression was that Beady Eye largely failed to generate / attract a new audience… Looking at the queue outside the Ritz back then, the vast majority were typical young Liam fanboys plus some people in their 30s/40s. Nothing wrong with either but it's clearly not the same as attracting a mainstream / mass audience. Again, not saying that every band ultimately needs to do that but as many people on here have stated, it is what Liam had seemingly wanted and hence why he / the band was disappointed when that didn't happen. im not sure how you can blame a sold out queue of a 1500 capacity audience full of fans for not having a mass spread of audience ? In a 1500 capacity gig what audience did you expect to see? obv make sense for it to be full of fans young and old, as in a small gig like that fans will always get hold of tickets.. |
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Post by lalaland on May 13, 2015 18:26:00 GMT -5
Right…. So do YOU think they had mass appeal? If so, how did they fail to move on to bigger venues or sell them out towards the end? Why did they split up and why did Andy say that Liam's heart wasn't in it anymore? All down to 'poor management' and Gem's injury?
While I totally think that the latter two didn't help matters, I mean, come on…
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