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Post by joladella on Jun 15, 2016 14:16:35 GMT -5
0. Captain Jack Harkness 1. Rose Tyler 2. Donna Noble 3. Rory Williams 4. Martha Jones 5. Clara Oswald . . . 6. Amy Pond --- I somehow never warmed to her
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 15, 2016 14:44:25 GMT -5
Matt Smith is now my favourite. And Capaldi's my second. Will have to watch Ecclestone's again, but it might well be that Tennant is now my least favourite NewWho Doctor. I still really like his incarnation, and he's a fabulous actor and (as far as I can tell) a nice bloke as well, but as someone said a few pages back, he's just not "alien" enough. Somehow I think Moffat-era Who will age a lot better than RTD-era has and will. I get that this is probably quite an unpopular opinion to hold, so I'll try and explain myself a bit: - I think Smith is the funniest Doctor yet -- no doubt this is due in part to the writing (he was fortunate in that he got a lot of quirks and running gags, such as mimic kissing people on the cheek when greeting them for the first time), but a lot of the praise has to go to Smith for the way he tackled the comedic stuff, through his physicality wafting his hands about and, sometimes, just a look in his eyes conveying everything from mock vanity to embarrassment. See, 'The Vampire of Venice'. - And yet, when he had to be cold and abrasive he nailed that as well: the scene in the that double parter with the 'gangers' where Amy tells him he's going to die, I found particularly chilling. - And that bit you always get in an episode of Who, about 30 minutes in, where The Doctor realises the extent to which him and his companion/s are in danger, he was always great at that as well. He always made me feel that the threat of that particular episode was just that, a threat. To be able to make your audience fear for the safety of its main protagonist when said protagonist ALWAYS (or, at least, very nearly always) wins, is quite something. - Again on Smith's physicality: I think he absolutely nails the 'old man trapped in a young man's body' thing, which, is essentially the whole essence of the character. - And with his Doctor more than any others (although Capaldi is great at this as well), I was always aware of him being an alien. They demonstrated this best, I thought, in the episode, 'The Lodger'. - Which leads me onto his first series... the strongest of the revamped show? It's definitely right up there. - His second series is also pretty good too, and contains possibly my favourite Who episode ever, 'The Doctor's Wife'. - 11th and the Pond's, with River dropping in every now and then is, I believe, the best "TARDIS Team" we've yet seen. Not only were they able to explore some quite dark themes and ideas that Who hasn't had much cause to shine a light on before, but it was just so entertaining to watch them all bouncing off one another. - They also introduced some great new characters during his tenure, such as Madame Vastra, Jenny and Strax, and Kate Stewart, that still get an airing quite often even after Smith has left. - For me, his regeneration scene is the best one yet. By a country mile. " We're all different people all through our lives. And that's OK... so long as you remember all the people that you used to be... I will always remember when The Doctor was me." Perfect. - And although he got a good send off with that last ep and the 50th anniversary special before it, I still felt like his character had some way to go yet. He left me wanting more. But when I watch Tennant's lot back, I always think when I get onto the last leg of series 4, 'no, it's right that he left not long after this.' - And hey, I can't be wrong all wrong - just look how the show has exploded worldwide from him taking the role!
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 15, 2016 14:56:36 GMT -5
Oh, ambresolaire, what on earth were you thinking? But yeah, series 7 was really weak; if it wasn't for Smith's last two eps - the 50th anniversary special and the Christmas special where he regenerates into Capaldi - coming straight after it, it almost wouldn't be worth it at all. Good idea on the companions ranking: 1. Rose Tyler 2. Donna Noble 3. Amy Pond 4. Clara Oswald 5. Rory Pond (née Williams) ... ... ... ... ... 6. Martha Jones 1. Donna Noble 2. Rose Tyler 3. Rory Williams 4. Amy Pond 5. Martha Jones 6. Clara Oswald I can see why you might take up against Clara, but Capaldi and Coleman did have great chemistry. And, on going back to watch Capaldi's first series again, I appreciate more what the writers were going for with the Doctor-companion dynamic then. So, even if the character herself was a little stale, her not feeling anything for The Doctor romantically, was a refreshing change of pace for the show, I think. Not a fan of Rory though, really. He's part of that 11th-and-'the Pond's' dynamic that I really like, so he's not without worth, but on his own I find him a bit boring. And I'm not sure what I think of Arthur Darvill as an actor either. Although, thankfully, he doesn't have a voice I can't fucking stand to listen to, like the girl who played Martha...
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 16, 2016 15:12:28 GMT -5
Matt Lucas is to return to “Doctor Who” from the opening episode of season 10, following his appearance as Nardole in the show’s 2015 Christmas Day special “The Husbands of River Song.” The new season starts filming on Monday in Cardiff, Wales. Lucas joins newcomer Pearl Mackie, who takes up the role of the companion of The Doctor, played by Peter Capaldi. It is Mackie’s first major television role following her appearance in the hit London stage show “The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time.” Steven Moffat, lead writer and executive producer, said in a statement: “Delighted and slightly amazed to be welcoming Matt Lucas back on to the TARDIS — and this time it’s not just for Christmas, he’s sticking around. One of the greatest comedy talents on Planet Earth is being unleashed on all of time and space.”
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 16, 2016 15:17:48 GMT -5
For 'Heaven Sent'. Capaldi down on the lead actor ballot, Moffat on the one for writing, and Rachel Talalay for directing. Don't know who they're against yet, but would be a crime if not one of them won anything. Especially when, conceivably, they all could win, really - because it was obvious everyone was on their A-game when they made that ep. 'Twas utterly brilliant on all fronts.
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Post by eva on Jun 16, 2016 15:26:09 GMT -5
For 'Heaven Sent'. Capaldi down on the lead actor ballot, Moffat on the one for writing, and Rachel Talalay for directing. Don't know who they're against yet, but would be a crime if not one of them won anything. Especially when, conceivably, they all could win, really - because it was obvious everyone was on their A-game when they made that ep. 'Twas utterly brilliant on all fronts. it would be fantastic but it's very rare that the Emmys would award a sci-fi cult show on a cable network. I mean, Tatiana Maslany has been out of this world, playing 7 characters per episode on Orphan Black for the past 4 years, and she barely got a nomination last year The Emmy Awards is full of old white dudes who watch political dramas
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 4:27:22 GMT -5
1. Smith 2. Tennant 3. Ecclestone Haven't watched any of the Capaldi episodes yet. On 6th season now ( went from 7th to 6th, don't ask, I'm not sure what I've seen already and what I haven't) and I like it much, much better than the 7th. Smith just steals every scene he's in! Has there been any discussion on favourite companions yet? Oh, ambresolaire, what on earth were you thinking? But yeah, series 7 was really weak; if it wasn't for Smith's last two eps - the 50th anniversary special and the Christmas special where he regenerates into Capaldi - coming straight after it, it almost wouldn't be worth it at all. Good idea on the companions ranking: 1. Rose Tyler 2. Donna Noble 3. Amy Pond 4. Clara Oswald 5. Rory Pond (née Williams) ... ... ... ... ... 6. Martha Jones Oh, well, it's a bit complicated... I was really interested in seeing Capaldi as Doctor Who, but I was a bit behind with everything, and at the time I disliked Smith, so to catch up with things I started with S07. And then I kind of liked his interpretation of the Doctor, so I went back to S06, and I'm glad I did. To be fair, S07 had some good points (The Angels Take Manhattan + Clara's introduction, and several others); but overall S06 is much stronger. 1. Amy 2. Rose 3. Clara 4. Rory 5. Donna 6. Martha (I do not remember what does her voice sound like, but she was annoying)
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 17, 2016 7:43:59 GMT -5
Oh, ambresolaire, what on earth were you thinking? But yeah, series 7 was really weak; if it wasn't for Smith's last two eps - the 50th anniversary special and the Christmas special where he regenerates into Capaldi - coming straight after it, it almost wouldn't be worth it at all. Good idea on the companions ranking: 1. Rose Tyler 2. Donna Noble 3. Amy Pond 4. Clara Oswald 5. Rory Pond (née Williams) ... ... ... ... ... 6. Martha Jones Oh, well, it's a bit complicated... I was really interested in seeing Capaldi as Doctor Who, but I was a bit behind with everything, and at the time I disliked Smith, so to catch up with things I started with S07. And then I kind of liked his interpretation of the Doctor, so I went back to S06, and I'm glad I did. To be fair, S07 had some good points (The Angels Take Manhattan + Clara's introduction, and several others); but overall S06 is much stronger. 1. Amy 2. Rose 3. Clara 4. Rory 5. Donna 6. Martha (I do not remember what does her voice sound like, but she was annoying) Well she's got that southern twang ("Doctah!") that is naturally repulsive to a northerner like me, but aside from that, I can't really put my finger on why it grates on me so. I guess I find it quite whiny. I know, if you're only going through it all for the first time now, it'll probably be quite difficult to pick your favourite episodes (even after going through all 9 series twice, I struggle to remember what was in some episodes - it's only the real howlers that stick out), but are there any episodes that you've watched and thought 'Oh, this is great!'? And on Capaldi... Bear with him and be prepared to give his incarnation some time to warm up a bit. They were going for something very different with his Doctor, and I think at times in his first series, they got the balance between his compassionate and full of love and joy at the Universe human side, and his strange, slightly abrasive alien side a bit off. In fact, you could say Capaldi, as fabulous an actor as he is, only truly made the part his own in his second series. So that's quite weird, coming off the back of Tennant and Smith, who instantly knew what their takes on the Doctor would be like. But still, on average, the episodes in series 8 are better written than the ones in series 7, so that'll help ease you in a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 11:22:19 GMT -5
Oh, well, it's a bit complicated... I was really interested in seeing Capaldi as Doctor Who, but I was a bit behind with everything, and at the time I disliked Smith, so to catch up with things I started with S07. And then I kind of liked his interpretation of the Doctor, so I went back to S06, and I'm glad I did. To be fair, S07 had some good points (The Angels Take Manhattan + Clara's introduction, and several others); but overall S06 is much stronger. 1. Amy 2. Rose 3. Clara 4. Rory 5. Donna 6. Martha (I do not remember what does her voice sound like, but she was annoying) Well she's got that southern twang ("Doctah!") that is naturally repulsive to a northerner like me, but aside from that, I can't really put my finger on why it grates on me so. I guess I find it quite whiny. I know, if you're only going through it all for the first time now, it'll probably be quite difficult to pick your favourite episodes (even after going through all 9 series twice, I struggle to remember what was in some episodes - it's only the real howlers that stick out), but are there any episodes that you've watched and thought 'Oh, this is great!'? And on Capaldi... Bear with him and be prepared to give his incarnation some time to warm up a bit. They were going for something very different with his Doctor, and I think at times in his first series, they got the balance between his compassionate and full of love and joy at the Universe human side, and his strange, slightly abrasive alien side a bit off. In fact, you could say Capaldi, as fabulous an actor as he is, only truly made the part his own in his second series. So that's quite weird, coming off the back of Tennant and Smith, who instantly knew what their takes on the Doctor would be like. But still, on average, the episodes in series 8 are better written than the ones in series 7, so that'll help ease you in a bit. Actually not, well, I've watched the Ecclestone and Tennant episodes back when they first aired, which was ages ago and them I don't really remember that well, but I'm sure if I've watched them now it'd all come back. You are right when it comes to picking out favourites, but I have to say I liked "The Snowmen" a lot. Clara was brilliant in that episode, and I loved her chemistry with The Doctor. While we're at it, I don't see it with Amy and Rory. They seemed much more like friends to me. Btw, have you read any of the Doctor Who books? I'm reading The Silent Stars Go By right now and it's not that bad actually, the writer (Dan Abnett) has gotten the characters down to a T.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 21, 2016 12:45:35 GMT -5
Well she's got that southern twang ("Doctah!") that is naturally repulsive to a northerner like me, but aside from that, I can't really put my finger on why it grates on me so. I guess I find it quite whiny. I know, if you're only going through it all for the first time now, it'll probably be quite difficult to pick your favourite episodes (even after going through all 9 series twice, I struggle to remember what was in some episodes - it's only the real howlers that stick out), but are there any episodes that you've watched and thought 'Oh, this is great!'? And on Capaldi... Bear with him and be prepared to give his incarnation some time to warm up a bit. They were going for something very different with his Doctor, and I think at times in his first series, they got the balance between his compassionate and full of love and joy at the Universe human side, and his strange, slightly abrasive alien side a bit off. In fact, you could say Capaldi, as fabulous an actor as he is, only truly made the part his own in his second series. So that's quite weird, coming off the back of Tennant and Smith, who instantly knew what their takes on the Doctor would be like. But still, on average, the episodes in series 8 are better written than the ones in series 7, so that'll help ease you in a bit. Actually not, well, I've watched the Ecclestone and Tennant episodes back when they first aired, which was ages ago and them I don't really remember that well, but I'm sure if I've watched them now it'd all come back. You are right when it comes to picking out favourites, but I have to say I liked "The Snowmen" a lot. Clara was brilliant in that episode, and I loved her chemistry with The Doctor. While we're at it, I don't see it with Amy and Rory. They seemed much more like friends to me.Btw, have you read any of the Doctor Who books? I'm reading The Silent Stars Go By right now and it's not that bad actually, the writer (Dan Abnett) has gotten the characters down to a T. I thought as you did, the first time I watched their story through. I found Darvill quite a wooden actor and his character boring, so I just wanted more Doctor-companion flirting really (even if by 2010, that'd been done to death already) because Smith and Gillan were so good together*. But watching it through again, as I have been doing over the last few months, I appreciate them having Amy and Rory be lovers and not just friends, now - if for no other reason than it was something a bit different. Sometimes it's just thorough having a different dynamic that inspires some of the most interesting episodes. 'The Girl Who Waited' being an example. And that's why I really don't care for series 3. Martha Jones was just another Rose, but a Rose the Doctor didn't fancy back. And as a result, the only interesting episodes we got from that run, were the ones that explored the character of The Doctor more (the Family of Blood double parter) and his relationship with The Master (the last three). And it's for that why, if you like Clara, I think you might appreciate some of her stuff with the 12th. Their dynamic becomes almost like - well, I saw it described as "a tribute to platonic love", the other day, which I thought was quite a nice way to put it. Quite unusual at times, but it grows on you.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 26, 2016 5:47:11 GMT -5
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 1, 2016 13:52:28 GMT -5
As good as he is, series 7 was pretty dismal. So fair play to Moffat for saying all that, and being able to acknowledge his shortcomings.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jul 1, 2016 14:19:01 GMT -5
Doctor Jones, Jones
Calling Dr Jones
Dr Jones, Dr Jones
Wake up now!
Yeah yeah yeah!
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 1, 2016 14:31:13 GMT -5
Doctor Jones, Jones Calling Dr Jones Dr Jones, Dr Jones Wake up now! Yeah yeah yeah! That's the most 90s thing I've ever seen. And not even in a good way.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jul 1, 2016 14:35:14 GMT -5
Doctor Jones, Jones Calling Dr Jones Dr Jones, Dr Jones Wake up now! Yeah yeah yeah! That's the most 90s thing I've ever seen. And not even in a good way. I love it. Sexy, kitsch, cheesy, danish, all rolled into one package.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 1, 2016 14:46:20 GMT -5
That's the most 90s thing I've ever seen. And not even in a good way. I love it. Sexy, kitsch, cheesy, danish, all rolled into one package. Sexy?! What about baldy bastard (sorry, guigsysEstring!) playing the male lead? Admit it, you like it because it was released in 1997. And we all know the affinity you feel for that year...
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jul 1, 2016 14:52:27 GMT -5
I love it. Sexy, kitsch, cheesy, danish, all rolled into one package. Sexy?! What about baldy bastard (sorry, guigsysEstring !) playing the male lead? Admit it, you like it because it was released in 1997. And we all know the affinity you feel for that year... Ok OK ok under duress I admit it. But it has a cheeky sexy 90's vibe about it. Eurotrash-y, cheesy shite. "Pump action gizmo". But yeah, it was released in 1997 Pay respect to the BHN.. man.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 1, 2016 15:13:05 GMT -5
I love it. Sexy, kitsch, cheesy, danish, all rolled into one package. Sexy?! What about baldy bastard (sorry, guigsysEstring !) playing the male lead? Admit it, you like it because it was released in 1997. And we all know the affinity you feel for that year... That's OK it reminded me of a lovely NME review for that song- "Once upon a time there was a Nordic band led by a hyperactive frontwoman and an annoying bald bloke- but enough about Sugarcubes, this is Aqua and Barbie Girl"
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 3, 2016 7:22:31 GMT -5
Get voting folks (the two or three of you who still visit this thread, anyway). Capaldi was shit-hot last year.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 3, 2016 7:40:31 GMT -5
Hoping for another political episode in the vein of the fabulous Zygon double-parter last year, for series 10. Doctor Who does politics really well, I think. Always really enjoyed the series 1 episode, The Long Game. You watch that one back now, and it almost seems to predict Twitter and the like that we have today; and that constant need for information streamed all the time into our consciousness that they've brought on. Great writing from RTD.
I wonder, if another political episode does happens though, what topic they'll take on...
That theme of mistrusting others and having too much pride to just talk matters through that those episodes set up, would of course still be relevant (sadly, probably even more so since last year), but you'd think the obvious choice would be to lampoon self-serving ruling classes who prey on ignorance and fear to get what they want - no matter how much damage they may wreak on those they rule, and who bestowed upon them their power in the first place.
Mind you, that sounds less like a political episode and more just a textbook 'supervillain-who-wants-world domination' story...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 16:32:39 GMT -5
That voting thing doesn't work for me, nothing happens, no matter where I click.
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Post by davidjay on Jul 3, 2016 17:19:45 GMT -5
Powerful stuff. Good on Chris for supporting this cause.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 4, 2016 21:05:15 GMT -5
That voting thing doesn't work for me, nothing happens, no matter where I click. But you'd be another vote for Smith, wouldn't you? If so, that'd put him in at joint second place along with Tennant, the populist Doctor, and trailing Ecclestone, the man who helped bring the show back after years and years off the air. So that's nice. Incidentally, have you watched any Capaldi yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 4:22:38 GMT -5
That voting thing doesn't work for me, nothing happens, no matter where I click. But you'd be another vote for Smith, wouldn't you? If so, that'd put him in at joint second place along with Tennant, the populist Doctor, and trailing Ecclestone, the man who helped bring the show back after years and years off the air. So that's nice. Incidentally, have you watched any Capaldi yet? I meant the BBC thing that you posted On here I voted for Smith, yep. No I haven't yet, hopefully I'll start next week or so. Can't wait. Edit: nevermind, that's working now too.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 10, 2016 13:09:38 GMT -5
Hoping for another political episode in the vein of the fabulous Zygon double-parter last year, for series 10. Doctor Who does politics really well, I think. Always really enjoyed the series 1 episode, The Long Game. You watch that one back now, and it almost seems to predict Twitter and the like that we have today; and that constant need for information streamed all the time into our consciousness that they've brought on. Great writing from RTD. I wonder, if another political episode does happens though, what topic they'll take on... That theme of mistrusting others and having too much pride to just talk matters through that those episodes set up, would of course still be relevant (sadly, probably even more so since last year), but you'd think the obvious choice would be to lampoon self-serving ruling classes who prey on ignorance and fear to get what they want - no matter how much damage they may wreak on those they rule, and who bestowed upon them their power in the first place. Mind you, that sounds less like a political episode and more just a textbook 'supervillain-who-wants-world domination' story... Go on The Moff, let's see The Doctor rip apart Right-wing neoliberal ideology in series 10!! And yes, @ambresolaire, I have indeed found a way to merger politics and Doctor Who...
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