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Post by spaneli on Jul 16, 2017 12:20:13 GMT -5
I think this is fantastic casting. It was a long time coming. They needed to breathe new life into the show, and going with another white guy wasn't going to do it.
Also, Chris Chinball is an okay writer, but a good show runner. He did create Broadchurch, which is a fantastic series, mostly because of his direction. Conversely, Moffat is an excellent writer, but not a great show runner. He was far better on an individual episode level.
But this is probably the most excited I've been for Doctor Who in a while. And gladly, I haven't watched the new season. It'll be great to binge watch the new series in December, up until the new Christmas special.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 16, 2017 12:28:02 GMT -5
Don't watch it nowadays but hope she does well and proves others wrong. Bring back Billie Piper too. Why? Her story's done. |
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Post by morning_rain on Jul 16, 2017 14:49:20 GMT -5
I'm really happy with that choice, already looking forward the new season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 5:27:29 GMT -5
Don't watch it nowadays but hope she does well and proves others wrong. Bring back Billie Piper too. Why? Her story's done. I did stop watching for a while but just think shes fit. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 17, 2017 8:12:14 GMT -5
Cant get any worse than the absolute disaster of Moffats Era. Done so much damage to the show after what Russell T Davies built with Eccleston and David tennant.
Feel sorry for Capaldi because with decent writing he could have been one of the best.
I dont think we would be getting a woman if the ratings hadn't dropped so much. Im glad we arent getting just another "nerdy white guy" but change for change sake isnt a good thing either. If a white man in future is best for the role then they should get it still, but i think the next 2 or 3 doctors will all be a different mix of ethicities and genders.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 17, 2017 10:07:27 GMT -5
Cant get any worse than the absolute disaster of Moffats Era. Done so much damage to the show after what Russell T Davies built with Eccleston and David tennant. Feel sorry for Capaldi because with decent writing he could have been one of the best. I dont think we would be getting a woman if the ratings hadn't dropped so much. Im glad we arent getting just another "nerdy white guy" but change for change sake isnt a good thing either. If a white man in future is best for the role then they should get it still, but i think the next 2 or 3 doctors will all be a different mix of ethicities and genders. To you and anyone else looking back on Russell T. Davies' time as showrunner through the prism of memory and nostalgia: actually go and back and watch those four series again. If you do, you will see how Eccleston got THREE of his thirteen episodes centred around those ridiculous farting green baby-men, the Slitheen; how series 2 had Love & Monsters and Fear Her -- possibly two of the most hated episodes in the show's entire history -- airing just prior to its series finale; how Martha Jones was basically just another Rose, but one The Doctor didn't fancy back, etc. Tennant did get some great material (for which the best of it all came from Moffat), but he also got the largely mediocre first half of series 3, and that run's finale, the ludicrous and embarrassing Last of the Time Lords. Honestly, that era of the show hasn't aged as well you might think. I can't be arsed arguing the case for Moffat's era of the show, because going off your assertion that Capaldi didn't get any good writing to work with, I'm guessing you don't know it very well. I'll say only: overnight ratings don't mean squat these days. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 17, 2017 10:32:53 GMT -5
Cant get any worse than the absolute disaster of Moffats Era. Done so much damage to the show after what Russell T Davies built with Eccleston and David tennant. Feel sorry for Capaldi because with decent writing he could have been one of the best. I dont think we would be getting a woman if the ratings hadn't dropped so much. Im glad we arent getting just another "nerdy white guy" but change for change sake isnt a good thing either. If a white man in future is best for the role then they should get it still, but i think the next 2 or 3 doctors will all be a different mix of ethicities and genders. To you and anyone else looking back on Russell T. Davies' time as showrunner through the prism of memory and nostalgia: actually go and back and watch those four series again. If you do, you will see how Eccleston got THREE of his thirteen episodes centred around those ridiculous farting green baby-men, the Slitheen; how series 2 had Love & Monsters and Fear Her -- possibly two of the most hated episodes in the show's entire history -- airing just prior to its series finale; how Martha Jones was basically just another Rose, but one The Doctor didn't fancy back, etc. Tennant did get some great material (for which the best of it all came from Moffat), but he also got the largely mediocre first half of series 3, and that run's finale, the ludicrous and embarrassing Last of the Time Lords. Honestly, that era of the show hasn't aged as well you might think. I can't be arsed arguing the case for Moffat's era of the show, because going off your assertion that Capaldi didn't get any good writing to work with, I'm guessing you don't know it very well. I'll say only: overnight ratings don't mean squat these days. The RTD era was superb. Just in terms to character building it absolutely pissed all over anything Moffat did. Nobody cared about rory or amy pond. It was shite. The episodes you talk about were shit, youre right. Moffat was great at writing one off stories but as a show runner he has left an absolute mess behind. Plot hole after plot hole. The comic relief episode Moffat did was absolutely ludicrous (as it should be for comic relief) yet he genuinely ending up corporating features of that in the actual fucking series! The stuff like taking billions of years to smash through a wall to get back to Cara and Rory waiting 2,000 years for Amy? That is absolutely laughable and too far fecthed even for Doctor Who. This casting is a last throw of the dice for a dying series. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 5:28:27 GMT -5
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 23, 2017 16:38:28 GMT -5
Well excited for this!
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Aug 8, 2017 18:10:32 GMT -5
She's an excellent actress and was great in Broadchurch. The only issue is whether BBC execs allow her to keep her northern accent (surely it won't be a problem considering Ecclestone and Capaldi kept theirs, but you never know with the snobs at the BBC...).
@ 0:46 - "I knew it were me under the hood! I knew! I were one of the four people that knew, and I were like, "Oh, God..." Probably I'm biased, but is the sound of a thick working-class northern accent on a woman, not just about the most beautiful sound known to man?  So far, since Doctor Who came back in 2005 the BBC has mostly just left the super-fans who run the show to it (David Tennant only had to use his mockney accent because the then showrunner, Russell T. Davies, didn't want the show to appear to be "touring the regions" after they'd made such a big deal of Christopher Ecclestone's Greater Manchester twang - "Lots of planets have a North!"). So yeah, fingers crossed they don't try and fuck about this time either. I think I'd have to phone in and complain if they did...  |
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Post by eva on Oct 22, 2017 18:50:57 GMT -5
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 25, 2017 21:02:34 GMT -5
Gonna need another watch, that one. There was loads I liked about it, but it felt a tad dialogue-heavy for an hour long special.
This was my favourite scene:
Just as I was thinking how great it is that you can say things like arse on telly at six in the afternoon now, the early-1960s Doctor comes out and reprimands Bill for her swearing, and we go to a gag that is both about attitudes to corporal punishment in the mid-20th century compared to now, and also the general ridiculousness of a man meeting someone from the past who is both himself and someone else... Multi-levelled gag writing. Clever stuff.
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As for the future: Jodie Whittaker's Yorkshire accent! Fuck yeah.
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Post by spaneli on Dec 26, 2017 12:10:22 GMT -5
I thought this Christmas Special was a hot load of garbage. Most of it was spinning it's wheels in the mud. There were some great moments for sure, but as a story, it was flat, boring, and could have been told in the span of 5 minutes.
However, I am super exited for Whitaker. I loved her on Broadchurch, and she was honestly one of the first people who came to mind when I thought of a new Doctor. She's really going to bring a lot to the character, and even in her one scene, you can really see the childlike innocence and amazement that you got from Matt Smith.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 26, 2017 14:15:21 GMT -5
I thought this Christmas Special was a hot load of garbage. Most of it was spinning it's wheels in the mud. There were some great moments for sure, but as a story, it was flat, boring, and could have been told in the span of 5 minutes. Just out of interest, why are you still calling yourself the "Conscience of the Forum"? |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 26, 2017 14:52:18 GMT -5
I thought this Christmas Special was a hot load of garbage. Most of it was spinning it's wheels in the mud. There were some great moments for sure, but as a story, it was flat, boring, and could have been told in the span of 5 minutes. Just out of interest, why are you still calling yourself the "Conscience of the Forum"? Quite honestly, at this point I have no idea. I set up this account when I was 18, which seems like a lifetime ago (nearly a decade ago). I haven't changed anything, including my avatar, since then lol So, I guess pure laziness? |
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Post by jxing on Dec 26, 2017 18:16:17 GMT -5
I thought this Christmas Special was a hot load of garbage. Most of it was spinning it's wheels in the mud. There were some great moments for sure, but as a story, it was flat, boring, and could have been told in the span of 5 minutes. However, I am super exited for Whitaker. I loved her on Broadchurch, and she was honestly one of the first people who came to mind when I thought of a new Doctor. She's really going to bring a lot to the character, and even in her one scene, you can really see the childlike innocence and amazement that you got from Matt Smith. I agree. It had potential but was one of the worst Christmas episodes.. but still really looking forward to Whitaker... |
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Post by jordan71421 on Dec 26, 2017 18:30:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 1:04:31 GMT -5
Not really related to any recent discussion but I've always liked Matt Smith's doctor and I just saw an interview where he basically told he's an Oasis fan  |
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Post by morning_rain on Dec 27, 2017 6:24:49 GMT -5
I enjoyed it. If you think about it is not really and adventure, just a situation of 4 people, and all of them are accepting they're going to "die". And it was entertaining and even had some good jokes! So I guess it was a good episode, far from the stupid christmas special we had last year.
Also it was special because Moffat has been the showrunner for so long that I almost felt he was another character in the episode, as they're talking about endings, deaths, the memories... this is most noticible in the scene were the Doctor is talking to his next regeneration, it almost feels like Moffat speaking to the next showrunner.
I'm really excited about the next Doctor, I think that's a great way to start her adventure. Can't wait for autumn.
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Post by supernovadragon on Jan 2, 2018 3:42:18 GMT -5
First half of the episode was enjoyable and I thought, YES, going out on a bang...second half, was very meh. I got so bored of it but it was still a little enjoyable
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 7, 2018 23:37:33 GMT -5
Man, I so hyped for a northern (oh yeah, and female) Doctor...but that was a fucking failure.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 8, 2018 9:37:37 GMT -5
Some positives to take away from the premiere episode--mostly I liked its earthiness, which reminded me fondly of Ecclestone's series--but, as an introduction to a new Doctor, it's unfortunately more in the vein of Tennant's and Capaldi's than Ecclestone's or Smith's. (Except the Tennant and Capaldi ones, while messy, still had plenty of memorable moments and scenes between then, where this one didn't seem to, really).
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 8, 2018 10:02:45 GMT -5
Man, I so hyped for a northern (oh yeah, and female) Doctor...but that was a fucking failure. Maybe I'm just a toxically masculine purveyor of the patriarchy, I don't know, but I too was more excited for Jodie being a northerner with a broad accent than a woman. And her accent is indeed brilliant. From what we can make of her Doctor so far--her warmth, and her childlike wide-eyed wonder, similar to Smith--it's exactly how she should sound. Know what I mean? I was pleasantly surprised to hear that practically EVERYONE else was talking like that as well. I've not been reading up on the new series at all, so I didn't know about most of the characters coming from Sheffield. Can't help but wonder what the American viewers thought when they heard those voices. They've probably not heard much of that from BBC dramas before... That's a good decision, I think. As I said above, it brings back some of the earthiness of the first series of the rebooted show--one of RTD's best decisions as showrunner, I reckon, to bring the show back down to earth for the 00s and have the Doctor look like a guy you might see at the bar of a working men's club, and his companion be a cockney shop assistant from a block of flats--and it also gives the show a different feel and look. The Peaks looked gorgeous in the opening shots! Not being familiar with that part of the country, I didn't know where it was at first. If we have access to such beautiful natural landscapes we may as well use them--rather than just setting everything in London, I mean. ... Anyway, I'm sorry to read you weren't having it at all. There's a lot of shit they have to get out the way in these kind of episodes, which can make them feel not much fun at all, taken in isolation. Hopefully, with the next one being a straight adventure story, they'll inject some fun and fantasy back in again. Ecclestone, Tennant, Smith, and Capaldi all had pretty solid maiden adventure episodes. Have to say, I am interested in how long they'll stretch out this plot of The Doctor being separated from her TARDIS. It would be something new, at least (would it?). |
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Post by joladella on Oct 8, 2018 12:24:19 GMT -5
I liked it! And as I have a thing for British accents, I really enjoyed that, even though for quite a while I thought both men were called Ryan, as the way Grace pronounced Graham sounded just like Ryan for my non native speaker ears.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 8, 2018 13:33:55 GMT -5
Man, I so hyped for a northern (oh yeah, and female) Doctor...but that was a fucking failure. Maybe I'm just a toxically masculine purveyor of the patriarchy, I don't know, but I too was more excited for Jodie being a northerner with a broad accent than a woman. And her accent is indeed brilliant. From what we can make of her Doctor so far--her warmth, and her childlike wide-eyed wonder, similar to Smith--it's exactly how she should sound. Know what I mean? I was pleasantly surprised to hear that practically EVERYONE else was talking like that as well. I've not been reading up on the new series at all, so I didn't know about most of the characters coming from Sheffield. Can't help but wonder what the American viewers thought when they heard those voices. They've probably not heard much of that from BBC dramas before... That's a good decision, I think. As I said above, it brings back some of the earthiness of the first series of the rebooted show--one of RTD's best decisions as showrunner, I reckon, to bring the show back down to earth for the 00s and have the Doctor look like a guy you might see at the bar of a working men's club, and his companion be a cockney shop assistant from a block of flats--and it also gives the show a different feel and look. The Peaks looked gorgeous in the opening shots! Not being familiar with that part of the country, I didn't know where it was at first. If we have access to such beautiful natural landscapes we may as well use them--rather than just setting everything in London, I mean. ... Anyway, I'm sorry to read you weren't having it at all. There's a lot of shit they have to get out the way in these kind of episodes, which can make them feel not much fun at all, taken in isolation. Hopefully, with the next one being a straight adventure story, they'll inject some fun and fantasy back in again. Ecclestone, Tennant, Smith, and Capaldi all had pretty solid maiden adventure episodes. Have to say, I am interested in how long they'll stretch out this plot of The Doctor being separated from her TARDIS. It would be something new, at least (would it?). It was one of those where I was basically just non-plussed all the way through watching it, and then after it finished and I had time to think back over it, I realised how little they got right...the companions were dull as dishwater, the less said about the villain the better, any moment of genuine drama was sabotaged by cringey attempts at jokes, the plot moved slower than the tectonic plates, and everything just felt like a really by-the-numbers middle-of-the-road New Who story. We didn't even get the theme tune or the TARDIS! And maybe I'm just an Eccleston fanboy, but I'm really, really sick of the Doctor's main character trait being how OhMyGodSoRandom! they are; almost every line Jodie had was an awkward "joke" ramming home how quirky she is. Don't get me wrong, the Doctor should always be a bit off-the-wall, but the constant "quirkiness" is just getting stale, unlikable, and often comes across as just an impression of Tennant and Smith. Why not give us a Doctor with a different sense of humour than that? Why not one who has a bit more gravitas? Honestly, if the 13th Doctor of that debut asked me to travel through time with her, I'd probably decline as she'd get on my tits after ten minutes. Just go back and watch this one scene: To me, taking the Doctor like that, with real charisma and gravitas, is so much more powerful than all the pockets and friend eggs and quirky clothes in the world. Those two minutes do more to introduce the doctor than the entirety of last night's episode. |
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