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Post by globe on Feb 27, 2015 9:21:27 GMT -5
I wish I was. Two of the songs are passable (Four Letter Word and the Roller...passable, not good). The rest sound like something a Beatles obsessed teen would write for music class. The sad thing is they could do much better as proved by their next album. Why did they have to rush that pile of putrid vomit out? So it take it you don't really like the album then? |
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Post by matt on Feb 27, 2015 14:14:52 GMT -5
Four Letter Word remains one of the strongest post Oasis songs for me. It is an example of what Noel will never have. A soaring voice that can compete with a massive wall of sound. What this album had at the time, that Dig Out Your Soul and pretty much most of Oasis post 2000 work didnt have was energy. It was the sound of a band that were enjoying themselves. You could tell they believed in it and it was an exciting time. I remember at the time it was well received by many critics. What pisses me off to this day is the fact as soon as Noel dismissed it as "alright" in his press conference, it over night become dismissed by many on here and within the media. Literally changed peoples perceptions. I also dont understand the hate for Heathen Chemistry that the OP and everyone on here has. Fucking Little By Little, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, The Hindu Times and Songbird? Oasis never had an album with the quality of those 4 songs after BHN. I think DGSS surprised some critics mainly because they had extremely low expectations for LAG. The best moments shine bright on their debut. Four Letter Word is awesome and I still believe it should have been the FIRST thing people heads from the band. You know, set the tone for what's coming. A mission statement of sorts. I'm not sure Noel swayed people's opinions on this forum. I think everything pretty much stayed the same. Maybe the initial euphoria of DGSS leaking made people over play how good it was. After all it was the first piece of post Oasis music from either Gallagher. I felt the same way for HFB. That album got rave reviews but they eventually settled in the above average to good range. Definitely wasn't a masterpiece as some claimed. Heathen Chemistry sounded like shit in 2002 and it remains that way in 2015. When Noel announced he was self producing Chasing Yesterday, my biggest fear was it would sound like Heathen Chemistry. Luckily that didn't happen. Back in 1999, Noel said Oasis was heading to a more advanced sound. SOTSOG was the first step and sonically it was tremendous. Then came Heathen Chemiatry which was a complete step backwards in the production department. Very uninspiring. Sure the singles are all great for the most part but that's it. The filler on that album is really flat. I never listen to that album. Only the singles. Shame it had to be that way. I expected so much more with Andy and Gem joining he band. Lackluster first Oasis album. The problem with this album is it's not offensively bad but it's not very good either. I think your description of the new Kasabian album is appropriate for this one - it's like bubblegum - it's enjoyable for a short while, but quickly loses it's taste. A good album should seek you coming back for more, and barring a couple of tunes, I don't find myself doing that. |
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Post by You're My van der Waal on Feb 28, 2015 9:04:57 GMT -5
My review of DGSS. Let me state outright that I'm NOT a Liam hater. I dig BE, a solid B of an album, a B+ on a good day. I only rate NGHFB as a B+ so BE is a good album indeed. Had that been released as Beady Eye's first album, I believe things would be very different now. Unfortunately, history didn't turn out that way. Instead, Beady Eye are now no more and anyone who listens to DGSS will know why.
Four Letter Word
To be honest, this is a good start to the album. It has swagger, attitude and it rocks. Everything you'd associate with Liam. Should have been the first single. If the rest of the album followed suit, we would have a good album on our hands.
Millionaire
Nothing really wrong with this song but nothing right either. A completely forgettable song with basic chords and melody. Not much to be said about this song as it quickly fades from memory.
The Roller
The only song from this album that got any recognition whatsoever outside the diehard fan base. With a catchy refrain, this could easily have been on some of Oasis' later albums. Had it been on DOYS, it would have been one of the better tracks. Got the recognition it deserved.
Beatles and Stones
The collective inspiration of Beady Eye seems to have been exhausted on the first three tracks because from here on, it's gutter trawling time. A stupid song title for a stupid song. Repetitive boring melody. Formulaic at best. Desperate attempt to change things at the end fails miserably. A useless song.
Wind Up Dream
Generic Beatles/Lennon rip off if there ever there was one. "Come on, come on"? What is this, 1995? A boring song from beginning to end. Ridiculous, meaningless lyrics. The only good thing about this song is Liam singing "Ahhh Ahhh" while harmonizing with himself. That bit is quite nice I guess.
Bring The Light
Liam: "Let's release this one as the lead single" Everyone: "Hahahaha, good one Liam you joker". And yet it happened. Unbelievable. This is not rock 'n' roll. It's a very very bad Jerry Lee Lewis rip off. If they wanted to attempt something this stupid, they should have hidden it away as a B-side. Not put it out as the lead single to their debut.
For Anyone
A song with about as much sophistication as a children's nursery rhyme. It would have been called generic if it were released in 1961, let alone in 2011. An utterly insipid attempt at a Songbird style "hit". It's so basic and simplistic that it really shouldn't be something professional musicians release.
Kill For A Dream
If you have trouble sleeping, try listening to this rotten number. Like the last tune, the musicality is so basic that it boggles the mind that professional musicians could be happy releasing it to the public. The only thing that distinguishes this song is probably the worst, most boring guitar solo I've ever heard. Why even bother?
Standing On The Edge Of Noise
After the last few turgid songs, I can appreciate that they at least tried to liven things up here. I even heard a pick scrape, to really show they're having fun. Unfortunately, nothing about this song rocks. The melody is weak and instantly forgettable, which isn't a bad thing to be honest. The chorus is a masterclass in lyric writing: "Get you, you got me" and then, wait for it, "Get me, I got you". Genius.
Wigwam
I guess this was supposed to be the Champagne Supernova type epic of the album. At over 6 min long, you wonder how the tune is gonna evolve. They answer is that is evolves from crap to very crap. The song should finish at the 3 min mark because after that, it's a complete waste of time. Repeating the same phrase over and over with some effects thrown on top does not equal epic. A pointless song.
Three Ring Circus
This song starts with a lot of promise. The verse is pretty decent and then the bridge kicks in and you start to think that we might have a tune here. Everything's going well until the god awful chorus kicks in. It's actually annoying. The same meaningless phase repeated and the way Liam sings "..going rooouuunnddd" just sounds whiny. Shame cos this could've been a good song. But a song with an annoying chorus just becomes annoying.
The Beat Goes On
Another attempt at an anthem here. The thing with anthems is that the melody needs to be catchy and memorable. The melody for this anthem is so memorable that I still can't remember how it goes, despite it being part of my life for the past 4 years. An awful, failed attempt to try to get arms waving during live sets.
The Morning Son
The best thing about this song is that it signals the end to this album. Starts out fine but then it just descends into utter shite. If they had left it as an acoustic number, done away with the stupid echo on Liam's voice and removed the last minute of idiotic cacophony, it might have been a decent tune. In the end, they tried to make this into the final song with a 'grand finale' type of finish. It ends up ruining the entire song.
Final score: D
D for deplorable. Disgraceful. However you want to describe it, this album is joke. Make no mistake, if not for FLW, the Roller and the very rare moment here and there, this album would be a stone cold F. A complete and utter failure of an album. Giving it a D is being very very generous.
What annoys me most about this album, apart from the song themselves, is that this was their one chance to gain credibility. After Noel left and took the talent with him, most people didn't give Beady Eye a chance. Under such circumstances, they needed to come out guns blazing to show that they aren't just talentless twats. Instead, they release this pile of crap. Again, they should have waited for the better songs to come, which were on the way. But after this mess, Definitely Maybe 2 would've been needed to save them.
Call me a troll or hyperbolic, but the fact is Beady Eye lasted just two albums. A band with Liam Gallagher, one of the most recognisable names in Britain, lasted two albums. If we agree that BE is decent to good, then how bad must DGSS be to have left them in this state? Vomit inducingly bad is the answer. A damn right insult to the ears. About as enjoyable as getting repeatedly kicked in the balls. If Liam's next outing is anything like this, he shouldn't bother. Concentrate on Pretty Green or something.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 28, 2015 9:09:32 GMT -5
Stopped reading after the 'Bring The Light' bit. Ace tune, great live.
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Post by matt on Feb 28, 2015 12:14:35 GMT -5
Sons Of The a Stage should have been the template for the album I.e. That kind of song. Best thing Liam has sung in years, and that includes Dig Out Your Soul. They should have left their Beatles and Stones records at home. I'm never expecting complete originality from Beady Eye or Noel but when they reduce themselves to Beatles influence, I think that's when they come off at their worst. Stuff like Noel's early 2000 writing like Record Machine or Andy's Kill For A Dream and The Beat Goes On I think are boring (or downright shameful and embarrassing) because it's terribly predictable and we know what sound they are aping - we've heard Beatles influences a billion times before in the music scene that it's all just tedious. When Beady Eye and Noel broaden their influences, it's far more satisfying.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 28, 2015 17:22:06 GMT -5
The problem with this album is it's not offensively bad but it's not very good either. I think your description of the new Kasabian album is appropriate for this one - it's like bubblegum - it's enjoyable for a short while, but quickly loses it's taste. Spot on imo. I really don't see how so many people here regard most of the album's songs as crap; they're not all that bad. I mean, sure, Beatles and Stones (and even that one has the cool middle part), Wind Up Dream and SOTEOTN are rather terrible. But imo the rest of the album is definitely not as bad as TNOR, TMOS, Soldier On, A Bell Will Ring, Hung In A Bad Place etc. - Millionaire, Wigwam, The Morning Son, Three Ring Circus, Kill For A Dream or The Beat Goes On are acceptable songs with OK melodies that just lack anything overly interesting. That, to me, is the album's real problem - as a collection of songs it's not bad, but very few single songs actually stand out (pretty much only FLW and The Roller). The complete opposite on Chasing Yesterday, for (an obvious) example. |
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Post by Adam on Feb 28, 2015 18:15:38 GMT -5
I don't know if it's just me, but as the first post-Oasis album, it seemed to get decent reviews... Until Noel released his debut then critics turned against it. I don't know if it's due to popularity but I wish the inevitable comparisons didn't have to happen.
I enjoy listening to it, but mainly as background music. Yeah some tracks are worse than others, and if it wasn't Liam singing it then I wouldn't be interested at all. But both LAG's and Noel's first albums where mainly written during the Oasis days so for me, the second albums are the best barometers to judge their solo efforts on.
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 28, 2015 19:06:39 GMT -5
I can't remember the last time I heard DGSS, but I remember liking Millionaire (nice melody), The Roller (very DBTT-ish), FLW (it rocks) and TMS (nice atmosphere), but the other songs do nothing for me.
In the Bubble... and World Outside My Room are much better songs than half on those tracks on the album.
BE was a much better album than DGSS.
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Post by mcfcoasis on Mar 5, 2015 9:38:40 GMT -5
I think I may be in the minority here (which is hard to fathom baring in my mind this is the Beady Eye section of the forum) but I really like this album. I put it on recently for the first time in a while and I really enjoyed it. For me it provokes feelings of happiness and is a bright album albeit technically its not superb.
Four Letter Word is a fantastic opener, Millionaire to me is very good as is Kill for a dream and the beat goes on.
When I saw Beady Eye in London (think it was their second or third gig ever)I was front and centre and the place was rocking. Whatever you say about Beady Eye you must admit the first gigs where brilliant. I will proudly admit I am a big Beady Eye fan.
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Post by Gas Panic on Mar 5, 2015 10:03:00 GMT -5
I think I may be in the minority here (which is hard to fathom baring in my mind this is the Beady Eye section of the forum) but I really like this album. I put it on recently for the first time in a while and I really enjoyed it. For me it provokes feelings of happiness and is a bright album albeit technically its not superb. Four Letter Word is a fantastic opener, Millionaire to me is very good as is Kill for a dream and the beat goes on. When I saw Beady Eye in London (think it was their second or third gig ever)I was front and centre and the place was rocking. Whatever you say about Beady Eye you must admit the first gigs where brilliant. I will proudly admit I am a big Beady Eye fan. I was at the first London show at the Troxy, the atmosphere was brilliant. People were loving it. I have no doubt that with a bit more luck / quality control they could have been so much bigger than what they became, they just jumped the gun a bit with both their albums. |
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Mar 9, 2015 21:33:51 GMT -5
I really really like DGSS. It was a good record with some very bright spots (TMS, Wigwam, FLW are all amazing) at a very hard moment for them. I think DGSS' only problem was when it tried to "rock". Gem's "rockers" (SOTEOTN and TRC) were weak songs, and Beatles and Stones was always gonna be mocked, no matter how good it was (and it wasn't that good, as we know). I also know WUD gets a lot of heat but I actually like it a lot, it's trippy.  Take those 3 songs I listed before out. Maybe take KFAD out as well as it's pretty much KTDA's poor sister. Then replace it with IABWAB and WOMR. There you have a very strong record that would also be more concise. 13 songs were probably too much, but they wanted to prove a point, and that's also why they also placed those questionable "rockers" on DGSS. In the end, though, I think the main reason why DGSS didn't help BDI much was Marcus Russell. It was clear that once Noel started structuring his HFB project, Russell basically left BDI for dead and that happened at a crucial moment, when they were on the road promoting their album. They took too long to move on, they actually found a very good manager in Scott Rodger, but then got extremely unlucky with Gem's accident and all the bad momentum, and not even Rodger could save them.  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 9, 2015 21:44:04 GMT -5
Noel auditioned for BDI and wrote The Mexican for DGSS, but LAG said it was shite so Noel didn't get the part, insisting upon Beatles and Stones instead. True story.
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Post by World71R on Mar 10, 2015 21:45:35 GMT -5
Noel auditioned for BDI and wrote The Mexican for DGSS, but LAG said it was shite so Noel didn't get the part, insisting upon Beatles and Stones instead. True story. After an exchange of "knobhead"s and "you bastard"s, Oasis reunion hopes were thus squashed, but Liam wanted to make amends so he wrote Don't Brother Me.  |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jul 28, 2015 14:55:14 GMT -5
this would have made a nice come back.
(didnt include World Outside My Room and In The Bubble..for whatever reason)
1. Four Letter Word
2. Two Of A Kind
3. Millionaire
4. The Roller
5. For Anyone
6. Bring The Light
7. Standing On The Edge Of The Noize
8. Wigwam
9. The Beat Goes On
10. The Morning Son
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Post by underneaththesky on Jul 28, 2015 15:09:13 GMT -5
*5 by Liam.. 3 by Andy and 2 by Gem..
as opposed to 5, 5 and 3.
Better ratio, less shit songs.
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Post by World71R on Jul 28, 2015 15:33:15 GMT -5
this would have made a nice come back. (didnt include World Outside My Room and In The Bubble..for whatever reason) 1. Four Letter Word 2. Two Of A Kind 3. Millionaire 4. The Roller 5. For Anyone 6. Bring The Light 7. Standing On The Edge Of The Noize 8. Wigwam 9. The Beat Goes On 10. The Morning Son Replace Standing on the Edge of the Noise with Three Ring Circus, and you've got something pretty good right here. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 28, 2015 15:41:52 GMT -5
Threads like this are like walking through a Civil War battlefield weeks later.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 28, 2015 15:49:46 GMT -5
Remember when people were staying The Beat Goes On was as good as The Masterplan?
That's the biggest LOL I've ever had on this forum. Ever.
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Post by underneaththesky on Jul 29, 2015 7:09:30 GMT -5
this would have made a nice come back. (didnt include World Outside My Room and In The Bubble..for whatever reason) 1. Four Letter Word 2. Two Of A Kind 3. Millionaire 4. The Roller 5. For Anyone 6. Bring The Light 7. Standing On The Edge Of The Noize 8. Wigwam 9. The Beat Goes On 10. The Morning Son Replace Standing on the Edge of the Noise with Three Ring Circus, and you've got something pretty good right here. I actually did think back about it and the 'get me, I got you' is just so bad.. you'd think about a better chorus.. the verses I loved. but I love the title and the fact it was used by Oasis. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 29, 2015 12:09:43 GMT -5
Three Ring Circus is a tune, to be fair.
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Post by Manualex on Jul 30, 2015 3:10:04 GMT -5
Three Ring Circus is a tune, to be fair. if I have to hear Liam singing 'roooooound one more time I'll do something bad. Dunno what but it will be bad and messy. |
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Post by World71R on Jul 30, 2015 15:11:16 GMT -5
Three Ring Circus is a tune, to be fair. if I have to hear Liam singing 'roooooound one more time I'll do something bad. Dunno what but it will be bad and messy. It is a bit raw, you're right on that. It could've used a nice harmony part by Andy or Gem, and a bit of reverb to let the rawness fade off into the distance, away from any audible part of the mix. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 4:19:59 GMT -5
Hmm... The Beat Goes On was my first Beady Eye tune which is probably the one reason why I rate it. The rest of the album excluding Four Letter Word was deleted from my collection a long long time ago. I don't even like The Roller that much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 17:21:43 GMT -5
Hmm... The Beat Goes On was my first Beady Eye tune which is probably the one reason why I rate it. The rest of the album excluding Four Letter Word was deleted from my collection a long long time ago. I don't even like The Roller that much. You can say what you want about The Roller, but Liam looked cool as fuck in the video: |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 0:11:18 GMT -5
I listened to it a few days ago and I love it. (Maybe because I listened to Noel's stuff too much, so it's nice to hear Liam again)
The only song I always skip is Wind Up Dream, am I the only one who loves SOTEOTN? Don't know why, but I love it
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