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Post by Manualex on Feb 17, 2015 18:19:28 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you wrote. The album was mediocre. It had some moments and a lot of disappointments. (I think The Morning Son was a highlight, so I'll have to disagree with you there.) That said, if Liam and co. had listened to Steve Lillywhite, they could have made a truly solid record. He's one of the best producers of the last 30 years, and he knows what he's doing. Instead, they ignored everything he threw at them; every idea he proposed, and every criticism he had for the songs. He could have made some of the bad songs somewhat passable, the passable songs good, and the good songs great. They were arrogant fools. The way Lillywhite was treated made rounds around the industry. That's why every person they asked to produce their second album passed. (Not putting down Dave Sitek's work, but do you know how far down the line you have to go to get to him? He was literally the ONLY person who would work with them. He did a great job, too, even though the songs were awful.) I'm also interested what the source is for this? Who turned them down? I struggle to believe that he was the ONLY producer in the world of music who would work with them even if they are difficult. The only one who turned them down was Dan Auerbach(guitaristb of the black keys) because he was about to record Turn Blue. Others could have turned them down but they didnt said so to the press. |
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Post by matt on Feb 17, 2015 18:28:12 GMT -5
U2's first three albums, including the masterpiece War, the La's, Morrissey's Vauxhall and I - Lillywhite has presided over some of my favourite albums ever. So it's obvious the problems with this album wasn't his fault.
Apart from Andy's Four Letter Word, the only other highlights for me are from Liam's songs. His rockers leave A LOT to be desired about, but I dig For Anyone, Wigwam and The Morning Son which are the ultimate highlights for me. The Morning Son is the closer Stop The Clocks wish it was - really nice melody and that guitar solo is great. Liam showing here and with Be that he's by far the most talented songwriter in Beady Eye, and with Flick of the Finger and Soul Love other favourites of mine from him, he shows that he may have a solo album in him.
Those first two from BE were the best thing they did - moody, dark and mysterious, and they were both the brainchild of Liam. He's more talented than people give credit for. As for Andy and Gem, their tunes I couldn't care less about to be honest.
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Feb 17, 2015 18:33:41 GMT -5
DGSS is probably the best album of the last 50 years...
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Post by spaneli on Feb 17, 2015 19:23:57 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you wrote. The album was mediocre. It had some moments and a lot of disappointments. (I think The Morning Son was a highlight, so I'll have to disagree with you there.) That said, if Liam and co. had listened to Steve Lillywhite, they could have made a truly solid record. He's one of the best producers of the last 30 years, and he knows what he's doing. Instead, they ignored everything he threw at them; every idea he proposed, and every criticism he had for the songs. He could have made some of the bad songs somewhat passable, the passable songs good, and the good songs great. They were arrogant fools. The way Lillywhite was treated made rounds around the industry. That's why every person they asked to produce their second album passed. (Not putting down Dave Sitek's work, but do you know how far down the line you have to go to get to him? He was literally the ONLY person who would work with them. He did a great job, too, even though the songs were awful.) I'm also interested what the source is for this? Who turned them down? I struggle to believe that he was the ONLY producer in the world of music who would work with them even if they are difficult. Beady Eye as I remember did say that they were looking for a producer for sometime and I believe it was management that recommended Sitek. I think NYR is piecing a bit together. But Lillywhite did come out on twitter and bash the band pretty hard after they blamed him for what happened on DGSS and Beady Eye did say that they had looked for a producer for sometime. I believe they said they went through Auerbach of the Black Keys and Nick Launney I believe and a few others. Even Sitek was fly by night. I think they had five weeks to work with him. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 17, 2015 19:27:24 GMT -5
I'm also interested what the source is for this? Who turned them down? I struggle to believe that he was the ONLY producer in the world of music who would work with them even if they are difficult. The only one who turned them down was Dan Auerbach(guitaristb of the black keys) because he was about to record Turn Blue. Others could have turned them down but they didnt said so to the press. I wanted Danger Mouse to produce Beady Eye's second album. I got Dave Sitek. That's a win folks.  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 17, 2015 19:29:57 GMT -5
U2's first three albums, including the masterpiece War, the La's, Morrissey's Vauxhall and I - Lillywhite has presided over some of my favourite albums ever. So it's obvious the problems with this album wasn't his fault. Apart from Andy's Four Letter Word, the only other highlights for me are from Liam's songs. His rockers leave A LOT to be desired about, but I dig For Anyone, Wigwam and The Morning Son which are the ultimate highlights for me. The Morning Son is the closer Stop The Clocks wish it was - really nice melody and that guitar solo is great. Liam showing here and with Be that he's by far the most talented songwriter in Beady Eye, and with Flick of the Finger and Soul Love other favourites of mine from him, he shows that he may have a solo album in him. Those first two from BE were the best thing they did - moody, dark and mysterious, and they were both the brainchild of Liam. He's more talented than people give credit for. As for Andy and Gem, their tunes I couldn't care less about to be honest. My favorite songs off DGSS still remain Four Letter Word, Millionaire, The Roller and The Morning Son. Their best song from this album might be Wigwam but to me they didn't nail it on the record. In a live setting it is a BEAST of a tune. Was absolutely killer when they did it at my shows. On the album something just never sat right. The drum intro sound tinny and weak. It should have been more organic and massive. Like beating a war drum. Sorta like Radiohead's song There There. Excellent use of percussion. When that song begins you know the alarm has been sounded and the battle is about to begin. |
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Post by Sternumman on Feb 17, 2015 20:10:35 GMT -5
According to Itunes I have only listened to two songs more than ten x's, The Roller and Four Letter Word. Those two would have made DOYS a better album. The rest of the album does absolutely nothing for me.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 17, 2015 20:17:07 GMT -5
According to Itunes I have only listened to two songs more than ten x's, The Roller and Four Letter Word. Those two would have made DOYS a better album. The rest of the album does absolutely nothing for me. You know what's funny. I can't tell if you mean DOYS or DGSS or both! |
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Post by glider on Feb 17, 2015 20:20:14 GMT -5
U2's first three albums, including the masterpiece War, the La's, Morrissey's Vauxhall and I - Lillywhite has presided over some of my favourite albums ever. So it's obvious the problems with this album wasn't his fault. Apart from Andy's Four Letter Word, the only other highlights for me are from Liam's songs. His rockers leave A LOT to be desired about, but I dig For Anyone, Wigwam and The Morning Son which are the ultimate highlights for me. The Morning Son is the closer Stop The Clocks wish it was - really nice melody and that guitar solo is great. Liam showing here and with Be that he's by far the most talented songwriter in Beady Eye, and with Flick of the Finger and Soul Love other favourites of mine from him, he shows that he may have a solo album in him. Those first two from BE were the best thing they did - moody, dark and mysterious, and they were both the brainchild of Liam. He's more talented than people give credit for. As for Andy and Gem, their tunes I couldn't care less about to be honest. As I've said before, A Simple Game of Genius should've been HFB1's album closer. It's a well deserved 7 minute track and actually has a guitar solo. That would've been the killing blow to DGSS. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 17, 2015 20:26:35 GMT -5
U2's first three albums, including the masterpiece War, the La's, Morrissey's Vauxhall and I - Lillywhite has presided over some of my favourite albums ever. So it's obvious the problems with this album wasn't his fault. Apart from Andy's Four Letter Word, the only other highlights for me are from Liam's songs. His rockers leave A LOT to be desired about, but I dig For Anyone, Wigwam and The Morning Son which are the ultimate highlights for me. The Morning Son is the closer Stop The Clocks wish it was - really nice melody and that guitar solo is great. Liam showing here and with Be that he's by far the most talented songwriter in Beady Eye, and with Flick of the Finger and Soul Love other favourites of mine from him, he shows that he may have a solo album in him. Those first two from BE were the best thing they did - moody, dark and mysterious, and they were both the brainchild of Liam. He's more talented than people give credit for. As for Andy and Gem, their tunes I couldn't care less about to be honest. As I've said before, A Simple Game of Genius should've been HFB1's album closer. It's a well deserved 7 minute track and actually has a guitar solo. That would've been the killing blow to DGSS. Imagine how much STRONGER High Flying Birds could have been if Noel included Freaky Teeth, The Dying of The Light and the Ballad of The Might I on his debut over Record Machine and Stop The Clocks. Noel's on fire with his songwriting. |
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Post by glider on Feb 17, 2015 20:28:40 GMT -5
As I've said before, A Simple Game of Genius should've been HFB1's album closer. It's a well deserved 7 minute track and actually has a guitar solo. That would've been the killing blow to DGSS. Imagine how much STRONGER High Flying Birds could have been if Noel included Freaky Teeth, The Dying of The Light and the Ballad of The Might I on his debut over Record Machine and Stop The Clocks. Noel's on fire with his songwriting. But then we wouldn't have two great tracks on the second one! |
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Post by Sternumman on Feb 17, 2015 20:39:55 GMT -5
According to Itunes I have only listened to two songs more than ten x's, The Roller and Four Letter Word. Those two would have made DOYS a better album. The rest of the album does absolutely nothing for me. You know what's funny. I can't tell if you mean DOYS or DGSS or both! I meant DGSS. I really like 6 of the first 7 tracks off of DOYS. The rest of DOYS is dog shit. |
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Post by Manualex on Feb 17, 2015 20:46:15 GMT -5
U2's first three albums, including the masterpiece War, the La's, Morrissey's Vauxhall and I - Lillywhite has presided over some of my favourite albums ever. So it's obvious the problems with this album wasn't his fault. Apart from Andy's Four Letter Word, the only other highlights for me are from Liam's songs. His rockers leave A LOT to be desired about, but I dig For Anyone, Wigwam and The Morning Son which are the ultimate highlights for me. The Morning Son is the closer Stop The Clocks wish it was - really nice melody and that guitar solo is great. Liam showing here and with Be that he's by far the most talented songwriter in Beady Eye, and with Flick of the Finger and Soul Love other favourites of mine from him, he shows that he may have a solo album in him. Those first two from BE were the best thing they did - moody, dark and mysterious, and they were both the brainchild of Liam. He's more talented than people give credit for. As for Andy and Gem, their tunes I couldn't care less about to be honest. My favorite songs off DGSS still remain Four Letter Word, Millionaire, The Roller and The Morning Son. Their best song from this album might be Wigwam but to me they didn't nail it on the record. In a live setting it is a BEAST of a tune. Was absolutely killer when they did it at my shows. On the album something just never sat right. The drum intro sound tinny and weak. It should have been more organic and massive. Like beating a war drum. Sorta like Radiohead's song There There. Excellent use of percussion. When that song begins you know the alarm has been sounded and the battle is about to begin. When I play There There, my sis starts to sing Shake it off  |
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Post by glider on Feb 17, 2015 20:49:07 GMT -5
You know what's funny. I can't tell if you mean DOYS or DGSS or both! I meant DGSS. I really like 6 of the first 7 tracks off of DOYS. The rest of DOYS is dog shit. I'm probably the only one here that likes The Nature of Reality, but besides High Horse Lady and To Be Where There's Life I really didn't hate DOYS. I know alot of people on here do haha but I felt it flowed way better than DBTT. |
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Post by Cast on Feb 17, 2015 21:03:34 GMT -5
Four years later and its not on my itunes. None of Beady Eye's stuff is except their cover of Sons of the Stage. Much like the band itself the songs are just plain mediocre. There's too much music I enjoy and to discover to waste time with an album that does nothing for me, after I've given its time to sink in.
Four Letter Word is the only track that I would even say that I "miss". The Roller has moments but lets be real its a shameless Instant Karma ripoff. Wigwam is decent at best. I actually didn't mind Bring the Light but its a bit bare - no meat on the song that keeps you coming back for more, much like the band itself. The Morning Son is a poor mans Looking Glass. Three Ring Circus is decent but Liam sounds really poor on it. For Anyone is a nice little cousin to songbird but I don't even really play that one that much.
Beatles & Stones, Millionaire, Wind Up Dream, Kill for a Dream are poor songs. The Beat Goes On is even worse, I can't believe they released that as a single.
Love those dudes but they don't have the songwriting chops at all. Liam showed promise at one point but at the end of the day most of his stuff sounds unfinished. They showed flashes but even those flashes didn't yield to any truly great material.
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Post by Manualex on Feb 17, 2015 21:27:45 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 17, 2015 21:33:50 GMT -5
What. A. Fucking. Loser.  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 17, 2015 21:39:11 GMT -5
Imagine how much STRONGER High Flying Birds could have been if Noel included Freaky Teeth, The Dying of The Light and the Ballad of The Might I on his debut over Record Machine and Stop The Clocks. Noel's on fire with his songwriting. But then we wouldn't have two great tracks on the second one! You are right. HFB didn't need IIHAG and TDOL on the same album. |
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Feb 17, 2015 21:42:45 GMT -5
The Beat Goes On is even worse, I can't believe they released that as a single. I'm probably a bigger Beady Eye fan than most on here. I still listen to BE a lot. But do you remember how everyone went crazy over this song four years ago? I was smh and going WTF, that song sucks. Now everyone seems to diss it now. I wish I had time to dig up all those old posts, because I recall the amount of praise this received as shocking. |
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Post by Manualex on Feb 17, 2015 21:45:37 GMT -5
I meant DGSS. I really like 6 of the first 7 tracks off of DOYS. The rest of DOYS is dog shit. I'm probably the only one here that likes The Nature of Reality, but besides High Horse Lady and To Be Where There's Life I really didn't hate DOYS. I know alot of people on here do haha but I felt it flowed way better than DBTT. I love the riff but not even Liam could've save that song. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 21:50:17 GMT -5
I'm probably the only one here that likes The Nature of Reality, but besides High Horse Lady and To Be Where There's Life I really didn't hate DOYS. I know alot of people on here do haha but I felt it flowed way better than DBTT. I love the riff but not even Liam could've save that song. There are some interesting comments on YouTube for this song, this being my personal favourite. "one of Oasis's best and one of the most underrated tunes ever. Liam sounds brilliant on it, the song suits his voice a lot, especially the heavy beat" |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 17, 2015 21:50:38 GMT -5
The Beat Goes On is even worse, I can't believe they released that as a single. I'm probably a bigger Beady Eye fan than most on here. I still listen to BE a lot. But do you remember how everyone went crazy over this song four years ago? I was smh and going WTF, that song sucks. Now everyone seems to diss it now. I wish I had time to dig up all those old posts, because I recall the amount of praise this received as shocking. It was a bad song in 2011 and it remains one in 2015. Come on Andy!!!! |
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Post by Marcos on Feb 17, 2015 22:32:31 GMT -5
It's kinda mental that DGSS is already 4 years old.
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Post by space75gr on Feb 18, 2015 3:36:38 GMT -5
Amazing album, love it totally! DGSS is an excellent album Not a masterpiece or a perfect one but I still enjoy it more than both NGHFB albums, DOYS,HC and SOTSOG. I used to love it then, i still love it now. |
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Post by leak4ever on Feb 18, 2015 3:55:02 GMT -5
I will never understand, till the day I die, why they chose Bring The Light as the first single. That putrid mess is barely listenable.
It's the equivalent of releasing Little James as the lead single to Giants. Simply makes no sense. We joke about such a suggestion here, yet Beady Eye and their management actually did something so unfathomable.
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