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Post by Marcos on Feb 19, 2015 22:04:51 GMT -5
I'm also interested what the source is for this? Who turned them down? I struggle to believe that he was the ONLY producer in the world of music who would work with them even if they are difficult. Not finding producers willing to work with them was mentioned in the "Start Anew" documentary that can be found on YouTube. To answer Marcos and jupi... Not to bring up old feuds (which, by the way, was certainly not my intention), Liam and co. effectively threw Lillywhite under the bus in an interview with Shortlist. They said about DGSS, “the producer weren’t right, he bailed, Gem ended up mixing it and it turned out great for what it was. But we needed a great producer.” Lillywhite responded on his Twitter account, where a lot of the blanks could be filled from his criticisms—mainly that the songs from DGSS were throwaways from the Oasis years and that he was glad Sitek was helping them write songs for BE. That says a lot, actually. It says that they basically made Lillywhite a glorified engineer, and not a producer. Anyone familiar with the process of making an album knows that the producers work with the artist to take the songs, clean them up and make them better. His saying that he was glad that Sitek was helping them write songs for BE infers that he had nothing to do with bettering the songs—they were recorded as they were first introduced to him. (In other words, "We're recording these songs. They're good as is. We're paying you to record, so record them. We're not hearing any of what you have to say about it.") Lillywhite is a pro, which is why he kept most the details of what happened behind closed doors. However, he said "Things were said," and Lillywhite left during the mixing phase. He wouldn't have said any of that had Beady Eye slagged him off publicly when promoting BE... because they needed to blame someone other than themselves for DGSS' poor chart performance and mixed critical reception. edit: Since my last post got more attention than intended (it was pretty throwaway), I should say that I pieced things together. I may not have gotten the exact details exactly right, but am pretty sure what I said was more or less what happened. Thanks a lot for the info, NYR. I didn't know any of this. I'm really surprised to be honest! Always thought Gem, Liam and Andy were very cool blokes but they were anything but cool to Lillywhite. |
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Post by bardes on Feb 20, 2015 5:20:01 GMT -5
Four years later and I still don't like IT. Boring songs, shitty production.. my favourite songs are Kill for a dream, Wigwam and Beatles and Stones. And The Roller maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 7:16:54 GMT -5
Four years later and I still don't like IT. Boring songs, shitty production.. my favourite songs are Kill for a dream, Wigwam and Beatles and Stones. And The Roller maybe. I was looking at IT trying to work out what acronym is was, going through all the songs on the album... I've only just realised that you meant 'it'. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 20, 2015 8:51:05 GMT -5
I never dug Beady Eye sandbagging Lillywhite two years later. Seemed in poor taste. Hopefully they don't do similar to Dave Sitek.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 7:46:22 GMT -5
i guess i'm in the minority, i love kill for a dream.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Feb 21, 2015 8:40:59 GMT -5
Four Letter Word remains one of the strongest post Oasis songs for me. It is an example of what Noel will never have. A soaring voice that can compete with a massive wall of sound.
What this album had at the time, that Dig Out Your Soul and pretty much most of Oasis post 2000 work didnt have was energy. It was the sound of a band that were enjoying themselves. You could tell they believed in it and it was an exciting time.
I remember at the time it was well received by many critics. What pisses me off to this day is the fact as soon as Noel dismissed it as "alright" in his press conference, it over night become dismissed by many on here and within the media. Literally changed peoples perceptions.
I also dont understand the hate for Heathen Chemistry that the OP and everyone on here has. Fucking Little By Little, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, The Hindu Times and Songbird? Oasis never had an album with the quality of those 4 songs after BHN.
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Post by carlober on Feb 21, 2015 8:56:07 GMT -5
I also dont understand the hate for Heathen Chemistry that the OP and everyone on here has. Fucking Little By Little, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, The Hindu Times and Songbird? Oasis never had an album with the quality of those 4 songs after BHN. You named the 4 high points of the album (and the demos of Hindu and Songbird were better than the final things). That's it, the rest is easily forgettable or crap. IMHO  |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Feb 21, 2015 9:33:24 GMT -5
Funny thing is, if you the link the " LAG " songs from Oasis records you'll have the first or another Beady Eye "record' and the quality is quite similar, maybe this one turned out a bit better.. Conclusion ? Songwriters is where it's at. This is HC and DBTT.
Turn Up the Sun
Hung In A Bad Place
Songbird
Born on a Different Cloud
Better Man
Love Like a Bomb
The Meaning of Soul
Guess God Thinks I'm Abel
Keep the Dream Alive
A Bell Will Ring
And here is Noel, same, only HC and DBTT.
The Hindu Times
Lyla
Stop Crying Your Heart Out
Little by Little
She Is Love
Force Of Nature
Mucky Fingers
The Importance of Being Idle
Part of the Queue
Let There Be Love
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 21, 2015 9:50:51 GMT -5
Four Letter Word remains one of the strongest post Oasis songs for me. It is an example of what Noel will never have. A soaring voice that can compete with a massive wall of sound. What this album had at the time, that Dig Out Your Soul and pretty much most of Oasis post 2000 work didnt have was energy. It was the sound of a band that were enjoying themselves. You could tell they believed in it and it was an exciting time. I remember at the time it was well received by many critics. What pisses me off to this day is the fact as soon as Noel dismissed it as "alright" in his press conference, it over night become dismissed by many on here and within the media. Literally changed peoples perceptions. I also dont understand the hate for Heathen Chemistry that the OP and everyone on here has. Fucking Little By Little, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, The Hindu Times and Songbird? Oasis never had an album with the quality of those 4 songs after BHN. I think DGSS surprised some critics mainly because they had extremely low expectations for LAG. The best moments shine bright on their debut. Four Letter Word is awesome and I still believe it should have been the FIRST thing people heads from the band. You know, set the tone for what's coming. A mission statement of sorts. I'm not sure Noel swayed people's opinions on this forum. I think everything pretty much stayed the same. Maybe the initial euphoria of DGSS leaking made people over play how good it was. After all it was the first piece of post Oasis music from either Gallagher. I felt the same way for HFB. That album got rave reviews but they eventually settled in the above average to good range. Definitely wasn't a masterpiece as some claimed. Heathen Chemistry sounded like shit in 2002 and it remains that way in 2015. When Noel announced he was self producing Chasing Yesterday, my biggest fear was it would sound like Heathen Chemistry. Luckily that didn't happen. Back in 1999, Noel said Oasis was heading to a more advanced sound. SOTSOG was the first step and sonically it was tremendous. Then came Heathen Chemiatry which was a complete step backwards in the production department. Very uninspiring. Sure the singles are all great for the most part but that's it. The filler on that album is really flat. I never listen to that album. Only the singles. Shame it had to be that way. I expected so much more with Andy and Gem joining he band. Lackluster first Oasis album. |
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Post by LlAM on Feb 21, 2015 12:53:02 GMT -5
I never dug Beady Eye sandbagging Lillywhite two years later. Seemed in poor taste. Hopefully they don't do similar to Dave Sitek. What actually happened there? I totally missed it at the time. |
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Post by LlAM on Feb 21, 2015 12:57:53 GMT -5
I often listen to the first four brilliant start for an album, then it goes drastically down hill, I also find it annoying that it has both Wigwam and Morning Son on the album cos they're both obvious closers and I just get the feeling they went with quantity over quality.
Oh and World Outside My Room is brilliant.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 21, 2015 12:58:33 GMT -5
I never dug Beady Eye sandbagging Lillywhite two years later. Seemed in poor taste. Hopefully they don't do similar to Dave Sitek. What actually happened there? I totally missed it at the time. The way I remember it going was while doing press for DGSS in early 2011 they mentioned what a great job Lillywhite did producing. Flash forward to early 2013 and Beady Eye was blaming Lillywhite for the albums poor reception sonically. Then Beady Eye said what a tremendous job Sitek did. Which of course is true!!! Hopefully the band doesn't back track on that down the road. |
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Post by icebreath on Feb 21, 2015 13:18:31 GMT -5
What actually happened there? I totally missed it at the time. The way I remember it going was while doing press for DGSS in early 2011 they mentioned what a great job Lillywhite did producing. Flash forward to early 2013 and Beady Eye was blaming Lillywhite for the albums poor reception sonically. Then Beady Eye said what a tremendous job Sitek did. Which of course is true!!! Hopefully the band doesn't back track on that down the road. Sitek already said good words about Liam after BE release, so i don't think it will be the same this time. They don't seem to have issues in their relationship. The opposite can be said with Lillywhite. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 21, 2015 13:21:43 GMT -5
The way I remember it going was while doing press for DGSS in early 2011 they mentioned what a great job Lillywhite did producing. Flash forward to early 2013 and Beady Eye was blaming Lillywhite for the albums poor reception sonically. Then Beady Eye said what a tremendous job Sitek did. Which of course is true!!! Hopefully the band doesn't back track on that down the road. Sitek already said good words about Liam after BE release, so i don't think it will be the same this time. They don't seem to have issues in their relationship. The opposite can be said with Lillywhite. Well to be fair, we didn't know Beady Eye had any beef with Lillywhite until two years later. Between that time everything was honky dory.  |
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Post by NYR on Feb 22, 2015 10:22:37 GMT -5
Sitek already said good words about Liam after BE release, so i don't think it will be the same this time. They don't seem to have issues in their relationship. The opposite can be said with Lillywhite. Well to be fair, we didn't know Beady Eye had any beef with Lillywhite until two years later. Between that time everything was honky dory. Exactly. Lillywhite said nothing but good things about the band and the album in public until they threw him under the bus. And he could have said far worse in the things he's said about them since. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Feb 22, 2015 12:50:45 GMT -5
Four Letter Word remains one of the strongest post Oasis songs for me. It is an example of what Noel will never have. A soaring voice that can compete with a massive wall of sound. What this album had at the time, that Dig Out Your Soul and pretty much most of Oasis post 2000 work didnt have was energy. It was the sound of a band that were enjoying themselves. You could tell they believed in it and it was an exciting time. I remember at the time it was well received by many critics. What pisses me off to this day is the fact as soon as Noel dismissed it as "alright" in his press conference, it over night become dismissed by many on here and within the media. Literally changed peoples perceptions. I also dont understand the hate for Heathen Chemistry that the OP and everyone on here has. Fucking Little By Little, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, The Hindu Times and Songbird? Oasis never had an album with the quality of those 4 songs after BHN. I think DGSS surprised some critics mainly because they had extremely low expectations for LAG. The best moments shine bright on their debut. Four Letter Word is awesome and I still believe it should have been the FIRST thing people heads from the band. You know, set the tone for what's coming. A mission statement of sorts. I'm not sure Noel swayed people's opinions on this forum. I think everything pretty much stayed the same. Maybe the initial euphoria of DGSS leaking made people over play how good it was. After all it was the first piece of post Oasis music from either Gallagher. I felt the same way for HFB. That album got rave reviews but they eventually settled in the above average to good range. Definitely wasn't a masterpiece as some claimed. Heathen Chemistry sounded like shit in 2002 and it remains that way in 2015. When Noel announced he was self producing Chasing Yesterday, my biggest fear was it would sound like Heathen Chemistry. Luckily that didn't happen. Back in 1999, Noel said Oasis was heading to a more advanced sound. SOTSOG was the first step and sonically it was tremendous. Then came Heathen Chemiatry which was a complete step backwards in the production department. Very uninspiring. Sure the singles are all great for the most part but that's it. The filler on that album is really flat. I never listen to that album. Only the singles. Shame it had to be that way. I expected so much more with Andy and Gem joining he band. Lackluster first Oasis album. Agreed about Four Letter Word. 100% should have been the first thing anyone heard. I think back then it was more a case of "do we go for the what will appeal to our fanbase now and get the more casual fans saying its just oasis minus Noel, or do we try something bold and completely different to that Oasis sound". What we was left with was the fanbase turning their backs on them and the general public dismissing Beady Eye like they were ready to before anything was released. Its dissapointing these days because anyone you speak to will just say Beady Eye are shit, when we all know they have done some great stuff. Certainly had better songs than a huge amount of Indie bands i could mention. On the point of Heathen Chemistry - i dont quite get the rough deal it gets. I get what you mean about some of it sounding off, like Born On A Different Cloud sounds so crackly and off at times. Hung In A Bad Place sounds quite dad rock etc. But i love the sound of Songbird and Stop Crying Your Heart out and to me alongside the Hindu Times and Little By Little, it is the sound of them recapturing their 90s magic. At the time it felt like a massive resurgence to me after SOTSOG had almost nothing bar Go Let It Out to show any signs that Oasis could survive. On the point of Noel's production. I was always confident compared to It being another Sardy produced album. I think Noel knew as much as we did that he was sucking the life out of songs and Noel is long enough in the tooth now to learn lessons. The Importance Of Being Idle is by far and away the best produced song from 2005 onwards and that was all done by Noel. |
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Post by You're My van der Waal on Feb 27, 2015 3:53:38 GMT -5
I was listening to all the post Oasis albums in sequence and I can't believe how bad this album is. How could release this? Were they that desperate to beat Noel to it that they didn't care about quality. Absolute pile of shit.
BE seems to be aging well as I quite enjoy it now. But DGSS just gets worse and worse with every listen.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 27, 2015 3:54:43 GMT -5
It's deplorable that you think your opinion deserves a thread of it's own.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 27, 2015 4:52:52 GMT -5
Deplorable is a bit extreme, one would think  |
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Post by You're My van der Waal on Feb 27, 2015 5:44:43 GMT -5
It's deplorable that you think your opinion deserves a thread of it's own. I'm sorry I've not been here long, so didn't know there was a thread discussing how crap it is. I'm happy for this to be merged with any such thread. I'm sure there's a lot of love for this album here and I'm in the minority, but I think it's an utter disgrace. It's shameful and shameless. |
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Post by eva on Feb 27, 2015 5:53:08 GMT -5
It's deplorable that you think your opinion deserves a thread of it's own. I'm sorry I've not been here long, so didn't know there was a thread discussing how crap it is. I'm happy for this to be merged with any such thread. I'm sure there's a lot of love for this album here and I'm in the minority, but I think it's an utter disgrace. It's shameful and shameless. You're being hyperbolic |
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Post by space75gr on Feb 27, 2015 6:12:41 GMT -5
I'm sorry I've not been here long, so didn't know there was a thread discussing how crap it is. I'm happy for this to be merged with any such thread. I'm sure there's a lot of love for this album here and I'm in the minority, but I think it's an utter disgrace. It's shameful and shameless. ^  |
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Post by You're My van der Waal on Feb 27, 2015 6:17:58 GMT -5
I'm sorry I've not been here long, so didn't know there was a thread discussing how crap it is. I'm happy for this to be merged with any such thread. I'm sure there's a lot of love for this album here and I'm in the minority, but I think it's an utter disgrace. It's shameful and shameless. ^ Half right:) |
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Post by You're My van der Waal on Feb 27, 2015 6:28:13 GMT -5
I'm sorry I've not been here long, so didn't know there was a thread discussing how crap it is. I'm happy for this to be merged with any such thread. I'm sure there's a lot of love for this album here and I'm in the minority, but I think it's an utter disgrace. It's shameful and shameless. You're being hyperbolic I wish I was. Two of the songs are passable (Four Letter Word and the Roller...passable, not good). The rest sound like something a Beatles obsessed teen would write for music class. The sad thing is they could do much better as proved by their next album. Why did they have to rush that pile of putrid vomit out? |
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Post by rupertg on Feb 27, 2015 6:30:50 GMT -5
Soooo... Mr. Metal what type of car do you drive?
;-)
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