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Post by mossy on May 10, 2015 9:24:44 GMT -5
I can imagine them being pissed if Noel really "stole their material", which is a pretty bold statement to make btw, but why would you want to work with someone who did that and who was just "disappointing" and "being a diva" again? It is a bold statement but remember the realies? The AA aren't the first people to make that statement without some justification... Noel likes plain pork sausages btw. "No fookin' about with loads of herbs!"
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 10, 2015 9:29:24 GMT -5
I can imagine them being pissed if Noel really "stole their material", which is a pretty bold statement to make btw, but why would you want to work with someone who did that and who was just "disappointing" and "being a diva" again? It is a bold statement but remember the realies? The AA aren't the first people to make that statement without some justification... Noel like plain pork sausages btw. "No fookin' about with loads of herbs!"And rightly so Anyway,The Realies got their co-writing credits on Rockin' Chair,could have got them on Don't Go Away too,the rest is speculation
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Post by mememe26 on May 10, 2015 10:14:01 GMT -5
Noel has said before that if he writes a song, the chords, melody etc & other folk come up with other ideas like bass lines, drums etc then they ain't goin' to get no credit so the chances are they've added bits to his basic version of the song & expect credits. I find it very strange Noel would ask them to do remixes of Chasing Yesterday as well after all that's supposedly gone on.
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Post by matt on May 10, 2015 10:47:39 GMT -5
The day Noel stops appeasing traditional Oasis fans who think anything other than a guitar on a song is 'fookin weird' is the day Noel gives us something really interesting to listen to.
I couldn't give a fuck about songs like Lock All The Doors - which are Oasis Lite, gives us more Right Stuff moments.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 10, 2015 10:52:19 GMT -5
The day Noel stops appeasing traditional Oasis fans who think anything other than a guitar on a song is 'fookin weird' is the day Noel gives us something really interesting to listen to. I couldn't give a fuck about songs like Lock All The Doors - which are Oasis Lite, gives us more Right Stuff moments. Can we have both?
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Post by jaq515 on May 10, 2015 10:57:27 GMT -5
The day Noel stops appeasing traditional Oasis fans who think anything other than a guitar on a song is 'fookin weird' is the day Noel gives us something really interesting to listen to. I couldn't give a fuck about songs like Lock All The Doors - which are Oasis Lite, gives us more Right Stuff moments. Noel's not dong it for the Oasis fans he's doing it for his bank balance and to remain mainstream
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Post by matt on May 10, 2015 10:58:13 GMT -5
The day Noel stops appeasing traditional Oasis fans who think anything other than a guitar on a song is 'fookin weird' is the day Noel gives us something really interesting to listen to. I couldn't give a fuck about songs like Lock All The Doors - which are Oasis Lite, gives us more Right Stuff moments. Can we have both? I think we can - by releasing the AA album (remember it was intended to be a companion piece after all).
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Post by matt on May 10, 2015 11:00:22 GMT -5
The day Noel stops appeasing traditional Oasis fans who think anything other than a guitar on a song is 'fookin weird' is the day Noel gives us something really interesting to listen to. I couldn't give a fuck about songs like Lock All The Doors - which are Oasis Lite, gives us more Right Stuff moments. Noel's not dong it for the Oasis fans he's doing it for his bank balance and to remain mainstream Yep, he is terrified of releasing an album that doesn't get to number one. He would rather have poor albums like Heathen Chemistry released and get number one than release something more interesting that wouldn't.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 10, 2015 11:04:12 GMT -5
To be honest I think that at this point if he released a record based on himself singing the phone book it would still get to number one
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Post by jaq515 on May 10, 2015 11:09:11 GMT -5
To be honest I think that at this point if he released a record based on himself singing the phone book it would still get to number one But as Noel says you're only as good as your last release. His next album will go to number 1 in a flash but that would scare a huge amount of people off. That is exactly what happened with he AA album. The casual's bought it and he couldn't risk losing them on a adventurous next album.
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Post by zatine87 on May 10, 2015 11:14:15 GMT -5
To be honest I think that at this point if he released a record based on himself singing the phone book it would still get to number one But as Noel says you're only as good as your last release. His next album will go to number 1 in a flash but that would scare a huge amount of people off. That is exactly what happened with he AA album. The casual's bought it and he couldn't risk losing them on a adventurous next album. Then upload it to YouTube on the NoelGallagherVEVO account instead of releasing it. Just get it out.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 10, 2015 11:44:58 GMT -5
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Post by andymorris on May 10, 2015 11:58:12 GMT -5
I'm guessing that the Amorphous Androgynous probably aren't your favourite band in the world... Yeah, far from it. Never liked their remix or their own music, even though Noel was praising them, and that whole situation is getting ridiculous. If Noel indeed stole something, sue. That's the only thing to do.
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Post by andymorris on May 10, 2015 12:00:27 GMT -5
The day Noel stops appeasing traditional Oasis fans who think anything other than a guitar on a song is 'fookin weird' is the day Noel gives us something really interesting to listen to. I couldn't give a fuck about songs like Lock All The Doors - which are Oasis Lite, gives us more Right Stuff moments. Noel's not dong it for the Oasis fans he's doing it for his bank balance and to remain mainstream Sadly, i think so too. The new record is good, not earth shattering, but hardly adventurous
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Post by mossy on May 10, 2015 12:31:06 GMT -5
It is a bold statement but remember the realies? The AA aren't the first people to make that statement without some justification... Noel like plain pork sausages btw. "No fookin' about with loads of herbs!"And rightly so Anyway,The Realies got their co-writing credits on Rockin' Chair,could have got them on Don't Go Away too,the rest is speculation It took a court settlement to get that credit though right? If they hadn't taken legal action Noel would have simply ripped them off... (Just checked and Chris Griffiths is definitely not credited on my Roll With It single, but is credited by the time of The Masterplan album)
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Post by jaq515 on May 10, 2015 13:10:08 GMT -5
And rightly so Anyway,The Realies got their co-writing credits on Rockin' Chair,could have got them on Don't Go Away too,the rest is speculation It took a court settlement to get that credit though right? If they hadn't taken legal action Noel would have simply ripped them off... (Just checked and Chris Griffiths is definitely not credited on my Roll With It single, but is credited by the time of The Masterplan album) www.officialrealpeople.com/news/index.htmlThis is from a mojo interview and they got out of court settlements for Dont go away, Rocking chair (tho strange they got a credit with out of court) and columbia Those are the ones they mention 99% of the times out of court will have a gagging order so you can't talk about it at all or you forfeit the money.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 10, 2015 13:16:12 GMT -5
Stolen leaked videos of the AA sessions with Noel...............
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Post by mossy on May 10, 2015 15:04:10 GMT -5
It took a court settlement to get that credit though right? If they hadn't taken legal action Noel would have simply ripped them off... (Just checked and Chris Griffiths is definitely not credited on my Roll With It single, but is credited by the time of The Masterplan album) www.officialrealpeople.com/news/index.htmlThis is from a mojo interview and they got out of court settlements for Dont go away, Rocking chair (tho strange they got a credit with out of court) and columbia Those are the ones they mention 99% of the times out of court will have a gagging order so you can't talk about it at all or you forfeit the money. So my point stands: there's a precedent for Noly Poly attempting to rip off (very kind) collaborators. Pretty scummy really given how The Real People: helped his songwriting, taught him how to use a studio, taught Liam how to sing in a studio, recorded the band's demo tape etc! So the people saying the AA should shut up because producers don't deserve writing credits are really harsh - the truth is we don't know, but they may well deserve credits, just like Chris Griffiths did when the Roll With It single came out...
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Post by jaq515 on May 10, 2015 15:10:22 GMT -5
www.officialrealpeople.com/news/index.htmlThis is from a mojo interview and they got out of court settlements for Dont go away, Rocking chair (tho strange they got a credit with out of court) and columbia Those are the ones they mention 99% of the times out of court will have a gagging order so you can't talk about it at all or you forfeit the money. So my point stands: there's a precedent for Noly Poly attempting to rip off (very kind) collaborators. Pretty scummy really given how The Real People: helped his songwriting, taught him how to use a studio, taught Liam how to sing in a studio, recorded the band's demo tape etc! So the people saying the AA should shut up because producers don't deserve writing credits are really harsh - the truth is we don't know, but they may well deserve credits, just like Chris Griffiths did when the Roll With It single came out... i know i was just adding quotes as such.. obv back then oasis probably had less efficient cheaper lawyers to now too.. to me this quote feels very similar to this situation too, one minute noel loved them more than anything the next doesn't have a good word to be said about them.. "We were working with ‘em for three months, as mates, and the next minute we can’t even get on the guest list for their gigs" I don't think they were producers like i always say they got the co write on SAHITS so why wouldn't they for the rest of the project, even from what noel said originally it felt like a collaboration not them straight producing
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Post by mossy on May 10, 2015 15:32:59 GMT -5
So my point stands: there's a precedent for Noly Poly attempting to rip off (very kind) collaborators. Pretty scummy really given how The Real People: helped his songwriting, taught him how to use a studio, taught Liam how to sing in a studio, recorded the band's demo tape etc! So the people saying the AA should shut up because producers don't deserve writing credits are really harsh - the truth is we don't know, but they may well deserve credits, just like Chris Griffiths did when the Roll With It single came out... i know i was just adding quotes as such.. obv back then oasis probably had less efficient cheaper lawyers to now too.. to me this quote feels very similar to this situation too, one minute noel loved them more than anything the next doesn't have a good word to be said about them.. "We were working with ‘em for three months, as mates, and the next minute we can’t even get on the guest list for their gigs" I don't think they were producers like i always say they got the co write on SAHITS so why wouldn't they for the rest of the project, even from what noel said originally it felt like a collaboration not them straight producing Just realised how aggressive my first sentence read there. Although I quoted you that wasn't aimed at you, I know you're agreeing with me. Peace!
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Post by andymorris on May 11, 2015 5:15:58 GMT -5
Seems like it's pointed me Mossy, so: to be clear, i dont defend Noel no matter what. If he indeed stole songs, or if the AA think he did, no matter what i think of their music, they should sue and not just rant about it for months on facebook. Seem pointless to me to whine about the medias and how they wonderful work was stolen if they dont take legal action and THEN, say they'd happily work with Noel again. Ì mean, WTF.
They deserve to have songwriting credits if they wrote Mexican and the Right stuff... let's be clear about that.
dont matter the lawyers, and how good they are, if they have proof, eg recordings with new elements (lyrics, melodies, not just arrangements) compared to noel's demos, then go for it, and they will win, and it'll be settled...
As for Noel stealing, it's all weird: he's more than collaborated with the Chemical bros in the past, with two huge singles (setting sun and let forever be) and everyone was happy, although the songs were vastly different from the initial demos.
As someone said before, maybe that was you mossy, and i guess that applies to the Real people situation too, we dont know who creates what in the studio, but when someone comes with a fully formed demo to be recorded, it's only production credits... The last example being Stephen Street arranging Blur's Magic Whip. They re-recorded with Coxon in the studio, a lot, and Street didn't ask for writing credits.
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Post by mossy on May 11, 2015 7:55:15 GMT -5
Seems like it's pointed me Mossy, so: to be clear, i dont defend Noel no matter what. If he indeed stole songs, or if the AA think he did, no matter what i think of their music, they should sue and not just rant about it for months on facebook. Seem pointless to me to whine about the medias and how they wonderful work was stolen if they dont take legal action and THEN, say they'd happily work with Noel again. Ì mean, WTF. They deserve to have songwriting credits if they wrote Mexican and the Right stuff... let's be clear about that. dont matter the lawyers, and how good they are, if they have proof, eg recordings with new elements (lyrics, melodies, not just arrangements) compared to noel's demos, then go for it, and they will win, and it'll be settled... As for Noel stealing, it's all weird: he's more than collaborated with the Chemical bros in the past, with two huge singles (setting sun and let forever be) and everyone was happy, although the songs were vastly different from the initial demos. As someone said before, maybe that was you mossy, and i guess that applies to the Real people situation too, we dont know who creates what in the studio, but when someone comes with a fully formed demo to be recorded, it's only production credits... The last example being Stephen Street arranging Blur's Magic Whip. They re-recorded with Coxon in the studio, a lot, and Street didn't ask for writing credits. Yo, I agree with you in struggling to believe both Noel and AA considered working together again after their first collaboration went sour! I think part of the reason the AA are just bitching to the press and not sueing is because their case isn't as clear cut as with the Real People where Noel lifted from songs which had already been released which is very easy to prove. If the songs the AA believe they deserve credit on came from studio jams it's much more dificult to prove in court unless you had a video camera recording every moment of every session! Plus even if they are 100% in the right they are not guaranteed a win as they won't be able to afford to hire lawyers as good as Noel's. Finally, they're quite independent and not that money-orientated from what I can tell - they probably can't be arsed with the trauma of a court case and would probably prefer to spend their time cracking on with making music. I agree with you 100% if Noel came in with a compete demo and the AA just tarted it up they don't deserve a writing credit. But their main complaint seems to be about songs such as The Right Stuff which were written in the studio and not previously demoed by Noel. Peace.
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Post by Doc Lobster on May 11, 2015 9:22:03 GMT -5
The question here is why would Noel suddenly have a problem with giving them co-writing credits when he already did so in the past (with SAHITS). I don't think the issue is that SAHITS is just a b-side, he's obviously proud of the song as he's still using it for gigs.
I remember Noel complaining about producers wanted to steal songwriting credits from him or something like that, so it seems like there's a disagreement. The AA guys may not be money-oriented, but they seem to have a huge ego and might think their contributions are more meaningful than those of other producers.
The Real People thing is a case of blatant stealing, of course.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 11, 2015 9:28:20 GMT -5
But they are like, really deep, maaaaan.
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