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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 11:39:09 GMT -5
If Noel said this .....he has no leg of credibility to stand on. Even could not spin this in his favor ...... you know why he let them write ?? Because NOEL WAS OUT OF IDEAS .....AS HIS SOLO STUFF PROVED ....SO NOW HE CRITISIZES THE REST  ? HYPOCRITE That's judgement. It just is. As I said hypocritical ...... Guess he judged damon ....I don't think i judged noel as harsh as that .....mate  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 11:41:47 GMT -5
Dude , do you have a issue with me ?? You say your my age . I know this , I respect it ...so what's up I defend myself your right , but what am I defending ? theyknowwhatimean thank u mate ....... I'll sort this
Seriously? A message board thing is THAT serious? Man, I sure don't want you chasing me down and bumping chests with me. I'm sorry for calling you a Noel Hater. And I'm sorry for offending your friend. I'd hate for you to have to "sort this".
As i said I'll debate you all day ..... And if you don't get the " pun " in ill sort it ......your either immature , or on something ....I could care less if I ever see you ..if I did Id probably shake your hand , just for the fact you prolonged this thread |
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Post by beentherenow on Jan 14, 2015 12:09:25 GMT -5
I agree and I remember an interview circa 2002 in which the interviewer said something along the lines of 'letting loose the chains of control' when discussing the LAG tunes and Noel said he wasn't loosening the grip but that Bonehead and Guigs were never interested so it was never an issue. In saying that, yes by all means let them contribute and bring things to the table but if they're not of sufficient quality then don't let them on. If Noel didn't think they were great songwriters then he should have said, its not as if he doesn't hold back about how he feels! This may have been a difficult subject to breech but what were LAG going to do? Leave Oasis? The biggest paycheck of their careers? They must have known when they took the gig that Noel was in charge, to write a song on an Oasis album must have been an added bonus. It's quotes like this which really hit home how little they gave a shit about their final albums. Noel must have known if he wrote the entire album they'd be much better and successful but couldn't be arsed writing 15-20 songs for an album. Shambolic when its your job and you've worked bloody hard to get it To be fair though, after the first 3 albums did so well, keeping up that form was always going to be unlikely, mainly down to a lack of motivation if anything. Once you've already conquered the world then i'd imagine you do lose a bit of the motivation to do it all again. Especially for someone like Noel. The Importance of Being Idle..."can't get a life if my hearts not in it" Yes there was an inevitable come down after the euphoria of the 90's but if his hearts not in it then he shouldn't have been doing it at all. Maybe took 5 years off or something I believe that every time a band releases an album it should be the very best they can do at that time. They may want to experiment but it must be something they give their all in at that time. If something worth doing it's worth doing properly. Or in Noels case 'I've got 5 songs, anyone else got any? Yeah they'll do. Whack an Oasis logo on and they'll buy it' |
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Post by joladella on Jan 14, 2015 12:41:11 GMT -5
Noel's remarks about Liam are quite brotherly and supportive, notwithstanding the screaming headline. His remarks about Beady Eye not being great songwriters though...ouch. True, but not necessary to point that out. And great timing after saying that Liam should make a solo record. Being a shit songwriter? Because I assume that is what people, especially those not in favour of Beady Eye, will take from that not exactly nice remark. To say nothing of Andy and Gem ... |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 14, 2015 12:53:26 GMT -5
Noel's remarks about Liam are quite brotherly and supportive, notwithstanding the screaming headline. His remarks about Beady Eye not being great songwriters though...ouch. True, but not necessary to point that out. And great timing after saying that Liam should make a solo record. Being a shit songwriter? Because I assume that is what people, especially those not in favour of Beady Eye, will take from that not exactly nice remark. To say nothing of Andy and Gem ... Yeah that was not exactly the most tactful thing to say. I was a bit annoyed about him slagging off eh..pretty much everything. I think it's sad that in order to stay in the news you need to do that by slagging people off. |
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Post by dtr2014 on Jan 14, 2015 12:54:33 GMT -5
I think there is quite a bit of difference between "not great songwriters" and "sh*t songwriters"... or is just me?
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Post by dtr2014 on Jan 14, 2015 12:55:41 GMT -5
I was a bit annoyed about him slagging off eh..pretty much everything. I think it's sad that in order to stay in the news you need to do that by slagging people off. Seriously? Has Noel NOT slagged off everything in every medium for the last 20 years? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 13:00:28 GMT -5
I was a bit annoyed about him slagging off eh..pretty much everything. I think it's sad that in order to stay in the news you need to do that by slagging people off. Seriously? Has Noel NOT slagged off everything in every medium for the last 20 years? THANK YOU  . FROM MEMBERS OF BLUR GETTING AIDS ON DOWN THE LINE ....NOEL HAS SLAGGED OFF FOR YEARS ....BUT NEVER BEEN CALLED TO THE CARPET AS LIAM HAS ...WELL SAID r WHEN LIAM SLAGS ITS CALLED RUDE .....WHEN NOEL DOES SAME ...ITS CALLED "CLEVER" ........ Hypocroytical |
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Post by dtr2014 on Jan 14, 2015 13:03:54 GMT -5
The point that is missed is, both brothers understand that press is press. If you talk bad about another artist, it starts a dialogue in the media, and their names are front page news. If they complimented another artist, it's gone in a flash. I don't see it as one being right or wrong. It's just playing the game.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 14, 2015 13:08:33 GMT -5
I was a bit annoyed about him slagging off eh..pretty much everything. I think it's sad that in order to stay in the news you need to do that by slagging people off. Seriously? Has Noel NOT slagged off everything in every medium for the last 20 years? Eh no? What I meant was that it's really noticeable in this interview that he does, because it literally happens every few lines. |
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Post by joladella on Jan 14, 2015 13:12:16 GMT -5
Well, I don't think it is as harsh as you are saying. I don't think Noel thinks any of them are shit songwriters. I think he thinks they're decent to good songwriters. Which is completely accurate, along with Noel's other comments. They're capable of writing good songs, and they made a worthy, interesting album. But they don't have that big song that could break them. All of this is true, and most of it was fair and complementary enough to BE. But what's the point of coming out and saying they're not great songwriters? Like you just did, people are going to jump to conculsions that he therefore thinks theyre shit. I am totally with you there, which might surprise you, because I said I assume that that is what people who already don't like Beady Eye's output will take from that. I have read the whole thing now and as he goes on saying that he thinks Liam should keep on working with Gem, he obviously meant it in the way you said, that they are decent, but lack being able to write that big hit. But then I think he should have said it like that, because "not great" can mean lots of things. I actually do hope that this comes up again in later interviews and he might clarify how exactly he meant that. Especially because we know how the press works and loves to take quotes like that and plaster them all over the internet. |
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Post by Rolo on Jan 14, 2015 13:23:27 GMT -5
''They needed one great song. Not just a hit single, a great fucking tune.''
Bullshit.
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Post by matt on Jan 14, 2015 13:39:41 GMT -5
Just read this on the NME actually and one bit really wound me up, 'They’re a fucking great band but they're not great songwriters'.
Well why the fuck did you let them write half of Oasis' last three albums then?! Live tours were more important to them sadly. It's always a kop out when bands do that - pretty much reaffirming their status as heritage act rather than musicians who really care about every album they make. |
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Post by matt on Jan 14, 2015 13:41:48 GMT -5
''They needed one great song. Not just a hit single, a great fucking tune.''
Bullshit. Four Letter Word and Flick of the Finger are great, wigwams really decent too, not too fussed about the others, but there's one glaring omission surely in The Morning Son? Many of these songs are really good and they were written prior to Dig Out Your Soul - how so much crap made it onto that album is anyone's guess. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 14, 2015 13:46:54 GMT -5
''They needed one great song. Not just a hit single, a great fucking tune.''
Bullshit. I often feel that the term "great" is overused in the music community. Most of them listed above are really really really good but maybe not truly great. I reserve that for songs like Hey Jude, Wish You Were Here, Paint It Black, Smells Like Teen Spirit. You know, songs that transcend a time and place. Just my opinion. Beady Eye just needed a fucking hit single. Something to keep them in the charts and have people talking about them. Keep the conversation going. |
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Post by matt on Jan 14, 2015 13:51:53 GMT -5
Just read this on the NME actually and one bit really wound me up, 'They’re a fucking great band but they're not great songwriters'.
Well why the fuck did you let them write half of Oasis' last three albums then?! I think he did this because Gem and Andy showed interest in songwriting as opposed to Bonehead and Guigs. So, being in a band, which means collaborative effort, he 'let' them write songs for the records. I couldn't say if it was on purpose or not but it was also a great occasion to get rid of this crack whipping chief image he'd been carrying around from the day he joined Oasis. Yes but that 'dictatorship' so to speak gave us Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory and, not without its merits, Be Here Now. |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 14, 2015 13:58:12 GMT -5
I think there is quite a bit of difference between "not great songwriters" and "sh*t songwriters"... or is just me? Yea, there is. But it's very easy to make that leap and this be confirmation if you already didn't like or respect Beady Eye. It becomes a game of telephone. Noel is smarter than that. He should have qualified it. |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 14, 2015 13:59:53 GMT -5
''They needed one great song. Not just a hit single, a great fucking tune.''
Bullshit. I often feel that the term "great" is overused in the music community. Most of them listed above are really really really good but maybe not truly great. I reserve that for songs like Hey Jude, Wish You Were Here, Paint It Black, Smells Like Teen Spirit. You know, songs that transcend a time and place. Just my opinion. Beady Eye just needed a fucking hit single. Something to keep them in the charts and have people talking about them. Keep the conversation going. I agree. Same with songs like TDOYAM, WAL, or Alone on the Rope. Really really good songs. But truly great? Probably not. |
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Post by mossy on Jan 14, 2015 14:08:17 GMT -5
Seriously? Has Noel NOT slagged off everything in every medium for the last 20 years? Eh no? What I meant was that it's really noticeable in this interview that he does, because it literally happens every few lines. The NME has just posted some juicy sections to sell more copies of the mag with the full interview next week... |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 14, 2015 14:08:58 GMT -5
I honestly think some of you are in dream land when it comes to Noe, he is a bundle of contradictions and prone to talking a bit of rubbish.
He had nothing after Be Here Now and admitted there were two shit songs on SOTSOG. He claimed he was glad the others were writing as it took a bit of pressure off him for Heathen Chemistry and regardless of what the others contributed to HC the best he had to put on there included Probably All In The Mind, She Is Love and Force of Nature. On DBTT he contributed a couple of crackers. The others were decent and one was 5 years old. On DOYS he was much more consistent, a really great period for him especially as he wrote some of those in the studio.
He has said more than once that the time passes for songs and yet there were two demoed for Oasis on the first record and one that is 20 years old going on this one. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that but he does contradict himself from time to time.
He might be prolific but I'm not sure if that means he is prolifically good. His output over a period with Oasis would suggest not. Some of you might say he had the songs but didn't put them out, well you can't judge the other contributors to Oasis when the main man is not putting his best songs on the record.
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Post by ihearttheocracy on Jan 14, 2015 14:19:09 GMT -5
How does one transcend *a* time and place? An enquiry especially disconcerting for nonbelievers, who choose to believe that time is only of the linear and place the planar?
In other words, "Hey Jude" was and is complete kitsch, and "Paint It Black" has not been celebrated outside of the countercultural elite--never mind the "music community," which I assume now is the cultural elite(?).
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 14, 2015 14:26:04 GMT -5
I honestly think some of you are in dream land when it comes to Noe, he is a bundle of contradictions and prone to talking a bit of rubbish. He had nothing after Be Here Now and admitted there were two shit songs on SOTSOG. He claimed he was glad the others were writing as it took a bit of pressure off him for Heathen Chemistry and regardless of what the others contributed to HC the best he had to put on there included Probably All In The Mind, She Is Love and Force of Nature. On DBTT he contributed a couple of crackers. The others were decent and one was 5 years old. On DOYS he was much more consistent, a really great period for him especially as he wrote some of those in the studio. He has said more than once that the time passes for songs and yet there were two demoed for Oasis on the first record and one that is 20 years old going on this one. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that but he does contradict himself from time to time. He might be prolific but I'm not sure if that means he is prolifically good. His output over a period with Oasis would suggest not. Some of you might say he had the songs but didn't put them out, well you can't judge the other contributors to Oasis when the main man is not putting his best songs on the record. Yes, it does seem like he's holding some songs back during these periods doesn't it? Especially now that we know when a lot of the songs on these solo records were written. Could it be that Noel held them back on purpose, specifically for when Oasis inevitably hit boiling point? Did he save his best ideas for the solo project he always planned and expected on doing? Obviously I have no idea, but it's worth a thought. |
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Post by cigarsinhell on Jan 14, 2015 15:06:34 GMT -5
I think Noel just pops his mouth off in interviews and says whatever he happens to be thinking at the moment. It's part of his charm. Liked the bit about Liam being like an "angry barking dog". Sound like he needs to be sent to Obedience School and learn to sit, heel, and stop peeing in the neighbors' yard.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Jan 14, 2015 15:14:20 GMT -5
Give it a rest. I'm older than he is. And how long I've been around doesn't change the English language. Kalas doesn't need you swinging from his nuts. He can take care of himself. ....my opinion of him is not what it once was , but hey its my opinion ......he also had a failed marriage , was a adulter , I don't judge that either ..part of life  |
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Post by NYR on Jan 14, 2015 15:29:02 GMT -5
I actually agree with Noel. Beady Eye had a few good songs, but none of them were particularly great. The band was great, obviously, but the songs were, on the most part, mediocre.
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