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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 18:24:54 GMT -5
I am posting this as a thread because I really didn't know where it applied ..... from the day Liam formed them I was against it saying liam needed to get as far away from the " brand " Oasis as possible , and reuniting with the other members without noel would be viewed as Oasis light ...... I ran into a old friend today from the gym here , he knows of my love for the band , haven't seen him in a few years , anyway we are talking and he goes " by the way saw Oasis at the Olympics they seemed off ". And im like what ? He said yea they sounded different something was missing , they got boring ....I KID YOU NOT .. I wish I had a cell that records to post the coversation .... Anyway after I explained it was not Oasis , he understood and was like why keep the band without noel ? Said liam shoud go solo that was like watching watered down oasis .... This was my point from the get go , fanatics like us didn't care , we would support and such , but here a regular rock guy who likes Oasis but not in love , noticed the difference , was dissapointed , but thought it was Oasis cause it looked so similiar but with something missing ( duh ) Just thought I'd pass that along sometimes in this forum some forget that outside of the forum not many even heard of beady eye , and when they see them thought Oasis and not in a good way For the record this guy is a security head at the biggest strip joint in cocoa beach and works security. At the Magic center in Orlando for all the bands so he is in tune with new music , he never even heard of them .......this was a major problem and why I said liam need to distance himself from the brand .... Believe me I wish I was wrong Willie T. Soke I'll tell you the name , you can actually read his facebook post from 2012 and see he thought that even back then . Edit : and when I say go solo I mean like we talked about collaborate with guest artists ..... Im sure there WOULDA been plenty Great post. I had a similar experience when watching Wonderwall at the Olympics on TV. My friend turned around to me and said 'Oh God, they've hired a Noel lookalike' He was in fact referring to Jeff Wooton who he didn't realise was playing bass, not guitar. And who is almost 20 years younger than Noel! A classic example of the general public seeing them as an Oasis tribute with Liam, and how they were destined not to succeed the way they imagined. cheers mate  |
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Post by leak4ever on Dec 21, 2014 8:51:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure BDI failed because they didn't release anything worthy of any recognition in their entire lifespan.
You can postulate whatever you like about the pros and cons have forming a band from the remnants of Oasis, but the simple fact of the matter is that if they had released a hit single that the general public actually liked, they wouldn't have gone out with such a whimper.
Even die hard fans such as ourselves can agree that the singles released by the band were terrible.
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Post by Gas Panic on Dec 21, 2014 10:06:39 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure BDI failed because they didn't release anything worthy of any recognition in their entire lifespan. You can postulate whatever you like about the pros and cons have forming a band from the remnants of Oasis, but the simple fact of the matter is that if they had released a hit single that the general public actually liked, they wouldn't have gone out with such a whimper. Even die hard fans such as ourselves can agree that the singles released by the band were terrible. The single choices were indeed dreadful, Bring The Light as an introduction to the band was really daft considering they could have gone with FLW (although I do acually quite like BTL tbh), then we also got Shine a Light and Soul Love which clearly dont have much mass appeal. The Roller was their best single I think, but even that lacked something... |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 21, 2014 10:11:28 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure BDI failed because they didn't release anything worthy of any recognition in their entire lifespan. You can postulate whatever you like about the pros and cons have forming a band from the remnants of Oasis, but the simple fact of the matter is that if they had released a hit single that the general public actually liked, they wouldn't have gone out with such a whimper. Even die hard fans such as ourselves can agree that the singles released by the band were terrible. The single choices were indeed dreadful, Bring The Light as an introduction to the band was really daft considering they could have gone with FLW (although I do acually quite like BTL tbh), then we also got Shine a Light and Soul Love which clearly dont have much mass appeal. The Roller was their best single I think, but even that lacked something... The Roller would have been PERFECT for Heathen Chemistry.  |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 21, 2014 10:29:23 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure BDI failed because they didn't release anything worthy of any recognition in their entire lifespan. You can postulate whatever you like about the pros and cons have forming a band from the remnants of Oasis, but the simple fact of the matter is that if they had released a hit single that the general public actually liked, they wouldn't have gone out with such a whimper. Even die hard fans such as ourselves can agree that the singles released by the band were terrible. Hahahaha when have you ever been a fan of BE let alone a 'die hard' one? I don't consider BE a failure from a personal point of view. They released a couple of albums I like with some good stuff on, did some great gigs to. Commercially they didn't sell that much but I still think people here were expecting way to much in the first place. They could have gone on and done another album but Liam didn't want it. I hope we hear something more from them in t he future. |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 21, 2014 15:50:32 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure BDI failed because they didn't release anything worthy of any recognition in their entire lifespan. You can postulate whatever you like about the pros and cons have forming a band from the remnants of Oasis, but the simple fact of the matter is that if they had released a hit single that the general public actually liked, they wouldn't have gone out with such a whimper. Even die hard fans such as ourselves can agree that the singles released by the band were terrible. Hahahaha when have you ever been a fan of BE let alone a 'die hard' one? I don't consider BE a failure from a personal point of view. They released a couple of albums I like with some good stuff on, did some great gigs to. Commercially they didn't sell that much but I still think people here were expecting way to much in the first place. They could have gone on and done another album but Liam didn't want it. I hope we hear something more from them in t he future. To be fair, when you say people here expected too much, Liam's and co setup those expectations from the beginning. The better than Definitely Maybe quote and Liam's saying they were going to be best band in the world did them no favors. Even if someone takes those quotes as jokes it still sets up larger expectations than there should have been. They would have been a little better off to low key it like Noel did with HFB's. I think part of that comes from Noel having more time and distance to calm his nerves and Liam's and co still having the rawness of what happened with Oasis. They came off as far more emotional. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 23, 2014 20:45:33 GMT -5
Great example of why Beady Eye Failed:
Good tidings. x
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Post by welshylad on Dec 24, 2014 11:14:55 GMT -5
I honestly believe one reason they wasn't as commercial as NGHFB is because of their name.
If they were called Liam Gallagher's Beady Eye I think alot more people would of paid attention because they would recognise Liam's name.
That's why I think Noel gets more of the general public paying an interest. Because his songs sure as shit are nothing compared to when he was in Oasis. It's just people recognise his name.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Liam needs Noel's songs... Noel needs Liam's voice.. It's as simple as that
Beady eye lacked the great songs Noel can write, and Noel's songs are plodding & boring without Liam.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 24, 2014 11:20:53 GMT -5
I honestly believe one reason they wasn't as commercial as NGHFB is because of their name. If they were called Liam Gallagher's Beady Eye I think alot more people would of paid attention because they would recognise Liam's name. That's why I think Noel gets more of the general public paying an interest. Because his songs sure as shit are nothing compared to when he was in Oasis. It's just people recognise his name. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Liam needs Noel's songs... Noel needs Liam's voice.. It's as simple as that Beady eye lacked the great songs Noel can write, and Noel's songs are plodding & boring without Liam. Does Noel still need Liam's voice? Noel sings better than Liam these days and his solo career thus far has matched DOYS success in the UK and around the Globe. He didn't really suffer a drop off. Even plays arenas in some countries. On the flip side, I don't think Liam needs Noel's songs per se. He just needs BETTER songs to sing. Could come from anyone or anywhere. |
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Post by carlober on Dec 24, 2014 13:01:38 GMT -5
I honestly believe one reason they wasn't as commercial as NGHFB is because of their name. If they were called Liam Gallagher's Beady Eye I think alot more people would of paid attention because they would recognise Liam's name. That's why I think Noel gets more of the general public paying an interest. Because his songs sure as shit are nothing compared to when he was in Oasis. It's just people recognise his name. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Liam needs Noel's songs... Noel needs Liam's voice.. It's as simple as that Beady eye lacked the great songs Noel can write, and Noel's songs are plodding & boring without Liam. I'm sorry to say this, but honestly I think that Liam himself needed Liam's voice more than Noel needs it now. Look at how much he was insulted for his bad performances (there have always been some unfair comments, but his voice is not the same one which defined him, and most people still won't accept this). Noel is no Liam, he's not a great frontman, he hasn't got the attitude and the stage presence of his little brother but he always performs. I agree on the name thing though. And I've always thought that Beady Eye was a shitty name for a band: it sounds like a low quality Indie band made by kids wannabes, not a great rock act with the greatest singer of the '90s in its lineup... |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 24, 2014 13:05:08 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure if the name would have made a difference. Those things are all "ifs" and they are easy to say now, in hindsight.
That Noel needs Liam is of course bullshit, as other people already explained.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 13:20:08 GMT -5
Oasis was amazing with Liam's voice and for a stretch in the mid 90s he was the best rock singer in the world - maybe ever in 93/94. He never had any real talent save his voice/charisma - both of which are now gone IMO. He's a singer who can't sing and a writer who can't write...that's why BDI failed.
Noel, however is a genius back on the top of his game and his voice is greatly improved, and if CY is as Avant-Garde as Noel seems to think it is then we could see him take his legendary talent to areas we have never seen.
I think Noel never NEEDED Liam but Liam has always needed Noel - now more than ever.
Which is why I hope to god we don't see an Oasis reunion for some time, it would only be a backward step for Noel and tbh I no longer care about Liam.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 24, 2014 17:30:14 GMT -5
Half the people say that the reason that BDI flopped because no one was willing to give Liam a chance. The other half that no one knew Liam was in the band at all.
If he had called it Liam Gallagher's anything and it had flopped people might have said it flopped because the public opinion was so strong against Liam that no one would give the album a chance.
You could blame lack of recognition for DGSS selling a bit less than Noel MAYBE. Although at least in the UK surely he was on enough TV shows, magazine covers, festivals, and radio shows that it was hardly a shock.
However that has nothing to do with the dramatic drop off to BE. That was lack of interest by even the people that had bought them first time around which could only be music related. Either had been so disappointed by DGSS that they didn't give them another chance. Or they listened and didn't like BE.
I know that the popular opinion on here was that BE was a massive improvement or DGSS. But personally I don't think it was a dramatic shift in song quality.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 24, 2014 17:40:21 GMT -5
Half the people say that the reason that BDI flopped because no one was willing to give Liam a chance. The other half that no one knew Liam was in the band at all. If he had called it Liam Gallagher's anything and it had flopped people might have said it flopped because the public opinion was so strong against Liam that no one would give the album a chance. You could blame lack of recognition for DGSS selling a bit less than Noel MAYBE. Although at least in the UK surely he was on enough TV shows, magazine covers, festivals, and radio shows that it was hardly a shock. However that has nothing to do with the dramatic drop off to BE. That was lack of interest by even the people that had bought them first time around which could only be music related. Either had been so disappointed by DGSS that they didn't give them another chance. Or they listened and didn't like BE. I know that the popular opinion on here was that BE was a massive improvement or DGSS. But personally I don't think it was a dramatic shift in song quality. Can we at least agree that sonically it towers over DGSS? |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 24, 2014 18:08:58 GMT -5
I agree. People just need an excuse. Had they used his name it would have flopped because of that, now they didn't and people say it flopped because they didn't incorporate his name in the bandname.
Everyone who truly gave a fuck about Liam Gallagher knew he was in Beady Eye, I would think. If you heard them you instantly recognized his voice. If you didn't know he was in Beady Eye you also wouldn't have known it if he would have been in a band with his name in it.
Beady Eye got attention because Liam was in it. If they were called Liam Gallagher's Beady Eye they wouldn't have received more attention. Radiopeople know he was in that band and would tell the public that. If he wasn't in the band they would never get the attention they got. They mostly got attention because Liam was in the band and not because the songs were great, and you all know it.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 24, 2014 21:10:53 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure if the name would have made a difference. Those things are all "ifs" and they are easy to say now, in hindsight. That Noel needs Liam is of course bullshit, as other people already explained. Not really. Noel used to provide contrast on Oasis albums. On his own for a whole album his voice lacks edge, is weak at times and is hardly unique. |
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Dec 24, 2014 21:22:15 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure if the name would have made a difference. Those things are all "ifs" and they are easy to say now, in hindsight. That Noel needs Liam is of course bullshit, as other people already explained. Not really. Noel used to provide contrast on Oasis albums. On his own for a whole album his voice lacks edge, is weak at times and is hardly unique. I was actually listening to the HFB's album the other day and I think I noticed how 'The Death of You And Me' sounds a lot like 'Dream On', or some other song sounds a lot like 'Dream On', I don't know. But that doesn't really bother me because I like the songs themselves. I guess what I'm really trying to say is: I hope to one day posess a Tom Brady sex tape. Merry Christmas. |
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Post by gdforever on Dec 24, 2014 21:50:15 GMT -5
Half the people say that the reason that BDI flopped because no one was willing to give Liam a chance. The other half that no one knew Liam was in the band at all. If he had called it Liam Gallagher's anything and it had flopped people might have said it flopped because the public opinion was so strong against Liam that no one would give the album a chance. You could blame lack of recognition for DGSS selling a bit less than Noel MAYBE. Although at least in the UK surely he was on enough TV shows, magazine covers, festivals, and radio shows that it was hardly a shock. However that has nothing to do with the dramatic drop off to BE. That was lack of interest by even the people that had bought them first time around which could only be music related. Either had been so disappointed by DGSS that they didn't give them another chance. Or they listened and didn't like BE. I know that the popular opinion on here was that BE was a massive improvement or DGSS. But personally I don't think it was a dramatic shift in song quality. Can we at least agree that sonically it towers over DGSS? I guess I've never listened to an album for it's "sound." Only for it's tunes. It sounds a bit better depending on your preferences but I don't think the songs are better so I don't see why that would matter really. Personally I thought the long outros were pretty stupid. The other production choices weren't THAT amazing that they made up for songs that just don't catch my interest. Personally I think that Oasis had very catchy tunes. So presumably that is something that appeals to Oasis fans. So I wouldn't be shocked if they lost sales because the 2nd album wasn't very catchy even though ostensibly the production was more interesting. DGSS was much more straightforward and FLW and The Roller in particular were pretty catchy IMHO. It is possible that they actually lost some fans not just because of disappointment in DGSS but also people giving BE a list and not finding it catchy. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 24, 2014 23:02:40 GMT -5
LAG was a three ring circus.
Good tidings. x
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 25, 2014 1:32:03 GMT -5
I agree. People just need an excuse. Had they used his name it would have flopped because of that, now they didn't and people say it flopped because they didn't incorporate his name in the bandname. Everyone who truly gave a fuck about Liam Gallagher knew he was in Beady Eye, I would think. If you heard them you instantly recognized his voice. If you didn't know he was in Beady Eye you also wouldn't have known it if he would have been in a band with his name in it. Beady Eye got attention because Liam was in it. If they were called Liam Gallagher's Beady Eye they wouldn't have received more attention. Radiopeople know he was in that band and would tell the public that. If he wasn't in the band they would never get the attention they got. They mostly got attention because Liam was in the band and not because the songs were great, and you all know it. So you're trying to tell me that I was aware of who Beady Eye were because Liam Gallagher was in it? Well errrr...yeah?. Although would have known of them anyway had they had the same radio play etc. Bit of a silly thing to say on a Oasis msg board. Are you going to go over to the Radiohead board and tell them that people only listened to Thom Yorke's solo album because he was in Radiohead? Its an odd thing that people say on semi regular basis who are generally trying to run the band down for reasons I don't understand. |
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Post by LlAM on Dec 25, 2014 2:44:24 GMT -5
I doubt picking 'the right' band name would've helped.
In fact, if we were able to test it, I doubt it would even be measurable in album and ticket sales either way.
Their challenge was reaching a broad audience.
Could be due to bad management.
Which could be due to lack in faith in the material at hand.
Which could be due to them not having the necessary skills to compose a hit single.
The real questions should be: DID they fail? And if so, by which standards? Who's expectations?
Do we know for a fact if their management/label gave up on them?
They may not have been the biggest band in the World, but surely none of them are moving on to anything bigger, hence the 'their egos hurt' theory doesn't apply?
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Post by icebreath on Dec 25, 2014 3:34:17 GMT -5
The lack of a hit single is for me the reason that BE flopped. Of course all the other negative events (gem's injury, liam's divorce, coachella) made it rather difficult to establish the band in the music scene as a decent indie rock act. The second album was a crucial move in the band's future. If the album and the tour sales didn't go as the first one, the band's future was ominous. As it happened.
As great Flick of The Finger was, it didn't have a mass appeal, neither in the indie fans or the mainstream fans. The first album had the Roller and it went nice in terms of appeal in the general audience.
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Dec 25, 2014 4:13:50 GMT -5
As I stated earlier in this thread, I think BDi were good enough to continue if they chose but I don't think Liam really cared anymore for whatever reason, maybe because of his personal life or whatever.
I also don't get the impression that Liam puts much effort into many things. He's the youngest child, never really had a real job or at least not for very long, and was in a very successful band for many years and had a lot things handed to him. I, uh, can relate to some of this. I've probably only heard the word 'no' about five times in my life and I, uh, get what I want with minimal effort. Mainly these days that's because I'm pretty much a sociopath but I don't abuse it and I have real feelings, so....
Anyway, I never really got the impression that the band or Liam put much effort into maintaining the band. It's like in the movie 'Catch Me If You Can', when Tom Hanks' character keeps asking Leonardo DiCaprio's character throughout the movie how he passed the bar to become a lawyer and finally at the end of the movie he asked him one last time and Leonardo Dicaprio's character said he studied his ass off.
You have to be willing to put in the work to be successful; talent will only get you so far.
God bless.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Dec 25, 2014 5:30:57 GMT -5
I liked them, no matter they were successful or not. Somehow it was quite charming, that musicians, that came out of a giant rock n roll band, were playing clubs and they seemed enjoying it during the DGSS era. To bad Liam ended Beady Eye, but if there is no heart in it ....
I can not look into their heads, but I think they all made music in a very linear way. I want them to wake up and see, that you do not need a big chorus or whatever in every song.
As much as I love Oasis and all the related bands, after quite some time every band seems really like "we need to reach charts" and not really into the music. They all seem to care too much about peoples opinion altough they don`t need to after the financial success of Definitely Maybe and Whats the story morning glory.
I would go apeshit as a musician if I had that financial comfort zone and could do whatever I want.
I do it in real life, but I have the problem, that there is not a big audience, that is waiting for stuff^^
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Post by joladella on Dec 25, 2014 5:48:22 GMT -5
Do we know for a fact if their management/label gave up on them? In one of those Ride reunion interviews Andy said that they were not dropped by Sony. As for the finer details what it was that demotivated Liam, I just hope that one day he will tell us when he comes out of his hole again. |
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