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Post by jaq515 on Dec 19, 2015 5:32:17 GMT -5
The last official update was beginning of October putting it on 210k so it's only sold 20k copies in the last 10 weeks Guess that's not what he expected especially with the media push he's done in last few weeks for Xmas
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 5:47:31 GMT -5
The last official update was beginning of October putting it on 210k so it's only sold 20k copies in the last 10 weeks Guess that's not what he expected especially with the media push he's done in last few weeks for Xmas Yeah, I thought it would be closer to the 250k mark by now... Anyway it should be a bit more than that by now, because I think it was around #70 back at the start of December and now it's up into the top 40 (which should count for a bit more at this time of year).
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 19, 2015 5:54:17 GMT -5
The last official update was beginning of October putting it on 210k so it's only sold 20k copies in the last 10 weeks Guess that's not what he expected especially with the media push he's done in last few weeks for Xmas Yeah, I thought it would be closer to the 250k mark by now... Anyway it should be a bit more than that by now, because I think it was around #70 back at the start of December and now it's up into the top 40 (which should count for a bit more at this time of year). Yeah the last 2 weeks probably has it nearing 240k at least I sure he said he'll be touring into festival season again so sure it'll end selling 350k all in all
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 19, 2015 6:46:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought it would be closer to the 250k mark by now... Anyway it should be a bit more than that by now, because I think it was around #70 back at the start of December and now it's up into the top 40 (which should count for a bit more at this time of year). Yeah the last 2 weeks probably has it nearing 240k at least I sure he said he'll be touring into festival season again so sure it'll end selling 350k all in all Yeah the NME Awards probably will give him a little boost too Now a nomination for the Brits would be amazing,but I think it's unlikely
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 19, 2015 6:58:28 GMT -5
Yeah the last 2 weeks probably has it nearing 240k at least I sure he said he'll be touring into festival season again so sure it'll end selling 350k all in all Yeah the NME Awards probably will give him a little boost too Now a nomination for the British would be amazing,but I think it's unlikely sure he'll get a best british male nod. Not sure about album but maybe.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 19, 2015 7:00:52 GMT -5
Yeah the NME Awards probably will give him a little boost too Now a nomination for the British would be amazing,but I think it's unlikely sure he'll get a best british male nod. Not sure about album but maybe. Best male mmh maybe,but with the likes of Hozier,George Ezra,Ed Sheeran,James Bay and Sam Smith,Mark Ronson being around it's gonna be tough
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 19, 2015 7:17:50 GMT -5
sure he'll get a best british male nod. Not sure about album but maybe. Best male mmh maybe,but with the likes of Hozier,George Ezra,Ed Sheeran,James Bay and Sam Smith,Mark Ronson being around it's gonna be tough yeah defo but the brits is all about marketing for the industry so they'll drop one those if needed to so they can hit a bigger demographic. Especially as they'll get nominations in different catergories that sort of mean something
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 19, 2015 7:21:38 GMT -5
Best male mmh maybe,but with the likes of Hozier,George Ezra,Ed Sheeran,James Bay and Sam Smith,Mark Ronson being around it's gonna be tough yeah defo but the brits is all about marketing for the industry so they'll drop one those if needed to so they can hit a bigger demographic. Especially as they'll get nominations in different catergories that sort of mean something Hozier or Bay getting the drop to allow in Noel would be my money if anyone is going to, based on record sales. The other advantage Noel has is The Brits historically tend to favour safe artists- not musically, but those with a strong selling track record, leaving more innovative artist awards to Mercury, MOBO, etc.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 19, 2015 17:05:26 GMT -5
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 19, 2015 17:32:43 GMT -5
C'mon guys get it to platinum
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Post by jaq515 on Dec 19, 2015 17:49:04 GMT -5
C'mon guys get it to platinum i've already got 5 copies so i'll leave it to you
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Post by spaneli on Dec 19, 2015 17:53:07 GMT -5
Seems like since the June 180k update, he's essentially been putting up a 10k average per month. To make platinum he'd have to continue that for the next five months or so. Touring will help out certainly and so will festivals (though not like it caused any bit of surge during last festival season). But my guess is that he'll need something extra to keep him in the press enough for more casuals to buy it, and a BRITS nomination would certainly help. With HFB his sales could be split into three sections, the initial hype of his first post Oasis release,the WAL commercial, and the BRITS nomination.
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Post by leak4ever on Dec 20, 2015 22:23:16 GMT -5
I know it's a different world now, but surely Noel can't be happy with these sales figures. When it's all said and done, Adele will end up selling probably 50x more copies of '25' globally. I wonder how Noel feels about getting completely annihilated by someone he's criticised so much.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 20, 2015 23:41:04 GMT -5
I know it's a different world now, but surely Noel can't be happy with these sales figures. When it's all said and done, Adele will end up selling probably 50x more copies of '25' globally. I wonder how Noel feels about getting completely annihilated by someone he's criticised so much. Probably frustrated in private perhaps, but also I would think understanding of a number of factors against him. He doesn't have an array of marketing and songwriting professionals with a multi million pound budget backing him up, nor has he ever been willing to play industry games in being manipulated into the every person appeal that Adele has by having deep sounding but ultimately shallow songs on the usual love, life and sex themes, and being as media trained as Steve McLaren to the media in order to portray the right image and not cause offence, whilst also pushing your own particular tragic back story- The irony being of course that both the Gallaghers could have done that part over the years given their childhood. I think ultimately for Noel he has had his big selling albums with Oasis, and is now in the respected elder statesman phase like Marr and Weller. He can look back with pride that he and his band created not only a sales phenomenon with the first three Oasis albums, in particular WTSMG, in the same way Adele has with 25, but unlike Adele they also culturally changed what was going on around them in the UK, which is a claim that few artists and certainly not Adele can make. He puts out records that he enjoys making by the sound of his interviews and knows that he will always be able to do well with good sized tours as he chooses to do so.
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Post by leak4ever on Dec 21, 2015 0:37:42 GMT -5
I know it's a different world now, but surely Noel can't be happy with these sales figures. When it's all said and done, Adele will end up selling probably 50x more copies of '25' globally. I wonder how Noel feels about getting completely annihilated by someone he's criticised so much. Probably frustrated in private perhaps, but also I would think understanding of a number of factors against him. He doesn't have an array of marketing and songwriting professionals with a multi million pound budget backing him up, nor has he ever been willing to play industry games in being manipulated into the every person appeal that Adele has by having deep sounding but ultimately shallow songs on the usual love, life and sex themes, and being as media trained as Steve McLaren to the media in order to portray the right image and not cause offence, whilst also pushing your own particular tragic back story- The irony being of course that both the Gallaghers could have done that part over the years given their childhood. I think ultimately for Noel he has had his big selling albums with Oasis, and is now in the respected elder statesman phase like Marr and Weller. He can look back with pride that he and his band created not only a sales phenomenon with the first three Oasis albums, in particular WTSMG, in the same way Adele has with 25, but unlike Adele they also culturally changed what was going on around them in the UK, which is a claim that few artists and certainly not Adele can make. He puts out records that he enjoys making by the sound of his interviews and knows that he will always be able to do well with good sized tours as he chooses to do so. Are you in the UK now? I'm curious to know what kind of social and cultural impact Adele is making with 25. I remember when MG came out, the impact went far beyond music.
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 21, 2015 4:37:49 GMT -5
Probably frustrated in private perhaps, but also I would think understanding of a number of factors against him. He doesn't have an array of marketing and songwriting professionals with a multi million pound budget backing him up, nor has he ever been willing to play industry games in being manipulated into the every person appeal that Adele has by having deep sounding but ultimately shallow songs on the usual love, life and sex themes, and being as media trained as Steve McLaren to the media in order to portray the right image and not cause offence, whilst also pushing your own particular tragic back story- The irony being of course that both the Gallaghers could have done that part over the years given their childhood. I think ultimately for Noel he has had his big selling albums with Oasis, and is now in the respected elder statesman phase like Marr and Weller. He can look back with pride that he and his band created not only a sales phenomenon with the first three Oasis albums, in particular WTSMG, in the same way Adele has with 25, but unlike Adele they also culturally changed what was going on around them in the UK, which is a claim that few artists and certainly not Adele can make. He puts out records that he enjoys making by the sound of his interviews and knows that he will always be able to do well with good sized tours as he chooses to do so. Are you in the UK now? I'm curious to know what kind of social and cultural impact Adele is making with 25. I remember when MG came out, the impact went far beyond music. I don't think she's making that much social or cultural impact with 25 to be honest. It'll sell a heck of a lot in the UK but I don't get the feeling it's going to change much socially or culturally.
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Post by frogerz on Dec 21, 2015 6:20:09 GMT -5
Probably frustrated in private perhaps, but also I would think understanding of a number of factors against him. He doesn't have an array of marketing and songwriting professionals with a multi million pound budget backing him up, nor has he ever been willing to play industry games in being manipulated into the every person appeal that Adele has by having deep sounding but ultimately shallow songs on the usual love, life and sex themes, and being as media trained as Steve McLaren to the media in order to portray the right image and not cause offence, whilst also pushing your own particular tragic back story- The irony being of course that both the Gallaghers could have done that part over the years given their childhood. I think ultimately for Noel he has had his big selling albums with Oasis, and is now in the respected elder statesman phase like Marr and Weller. He can look back with pride that he and his band created not only a sales phenomenon with the first three Oasis albums, in particular WTSMG, in the same way Adele has with 25, but unlike Adele they also culturally changed what was going on around them in the UK, which is a claim that few artists and certainly not Adele can make. He puts out records that he enjoys making by the sound of his interviews and knows that he will always be able to do well with good sized tours as he chooses to do so. Are you in the UK now? I'm curious to know what kind of social and cultural impact Adele is making with 25. I remember when MG came out, the impact went far beyond music. I'm from the UK and being completely honest I'm yet to ind anyone who actually likes Adelle, young or old. Her music certainly isn't changing culture in the UK that's for sure.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 21, 2015 6:33:38 GMT -5
Everyone's buying it, but no one gives a fuck about it.
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Post by space75gr on Dec 21, 2015 6:39:11 GMT -5
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 21, 2015 6:44:31 GMT -5
^ Oh Florence had 246.000 when I looked at a different site the other day. Can't imagine she sold 14.000 in a few days time.
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Post by Let It🩸 on Dec 21, 2015 6:50:23 GMT -5
ElvÃs has been dead for 38 years and is in fourth place, pretty impressive.
Thanks.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 21, 2015 8:17:18 GMT -5
Probably frustrated in private perhaps, but also I would think understanding of a number of factors against him. He doesn't have an array of marketing and songwriting professionals with a multi million pound budget backing him up, nor has he ever been willing to play industry games in being manipulated into the every person appeal that Adele has by having deep sounding but ultimately shallow songs on the usual love, life and sex themes, and being as media trained as Steve McLaren to the media in order to portray the right image and not cause offence, whilst also pushing your own particular tragic back story- The irony being of course that both the Gallaghers could have done that part over the years given their childhood. I think ultimately for Noel he has had his big selling albums with Oasis, and is now in the respected elder statesman phase like Marr and Weller. He can look back with pride that he and his band created not only a sales phenomenon with the first three Oasis albums, in particular WTSMG, in the same way Adele has with 25, but unlike Adele they also culturally changed what was going on around them in the UK, which is a claim that few artists and certainly not Adele can make. He puts out records that he enjoys making by the sound of his interviews and knows that he will always be able to do well with good sized tours as he chooses to do so. Are you in the UK now? I'm curious to know what kind of social and cultural impact Adele is making with 25. I remember when MG came out, the impact went far beyond music. Adele is making a huge media and public relations statement with her sales, but in terms of comparison to Oasis they are really two different cases. When Oasis released Definitely Maybe in 1994 it was against a backdrop in UK music of the dying Grunge scene, which had been torn apart by drug related deaths cumulating in the suicide of it's leading star Kurt Cobain, and European based electronic dance/pop music such as Snap!, 2 Unlimited and Culture Beat. British Music had started a renaissance from April 1993 when Select Magazine had Brett Anderson on it's cover as part of a feature on British bands that also included Blur, yet the sales of Suede the album stand at 300,000 to date with just over 100,000 in the USA, whilst Blur's 'Modern Life Is Rubbish' remains critically acclaimed but is their lowest selling album in their catalogue, a situation rectified in part by the 1,200,000 selling Parklife the following year. When Definitely Maybe it became the fastest selling debut of all time at that point in the UK, going on to be certified for 2,100,000 sales whilst signalling a shift from American and dance dominated sounds to guitar based music. The impact was significant culturally as they grew in size as I remember seeing alot of grunge looking kids at their earlier gigs in 1994/95 with Wonder Stuff/EMF T-Shirts, loon pants, etc. which by the time of the Earls Court shows had changed to a sea of Liam lookalikes and short hair cuts for the boys, and ladette or made up looks for the girls. (What's The Story) Morning Glory? took this change even further with more than double it's predecessor's sales, and the application of over 2,600,000 people for Knebworth tickets showing the coming together of a nations pop and youth culture in a way not seen since the effects of The Beatles some thirty years before- All of this being achieved in a pre-social media and world wide web era. Adele by contrast is very much IMO a product of the culture around her, rather than creating it. She arrived with 19 as a Brit School graduate who had been moulded by certain marketeers and producers to become the 'safe' version of the late Amy Winehouse (who was still alive but already struggling with drugs and health issues), which is a template she has continued to follow leading up to 25. Her music reflects the need many people have for emotionally charged music dealing with lover, loss, etc. whilst not really saying anything meaningful IMO- it is the kind of soundtrack to a bottle of wine, 20 B&H, a box of Kleenex and an introspective crying session over an ex in many ways. In a wider cultural sense Oasis had an impact where people were openly playing their records, wearing their T-shirts, quoting their catchphrases such as "mad for it", which was actually used as the title kids & teens game show on TV, and influencing the choice of clothing and hairstyles of many of the younger generation. In Adele's case I am struggling to find anyone who even admits they have brought the record, although with those sales there must be plenty who have, and she certainly hasn't inspired a change in attitudes or fashion- rather she soundtracks a very bland, safe culture that is afraid IMO to confront any personal, political or social issues for fear of offending anyone, and instead likes to have something that can be on the surface perceived as deep or meaningful, but on closer inspection proves itself to by empty and shallow, rather like the culture it inhabits. I think Oasis were the last of the music led cultural game changers, partly because in this day and age the advent of the internet and social media means you cannot surprise the masses with an artist or songs that seem to have come from nowhere, as someone will have made them available somewhere online. Social media has also seen the fragmentation of culture, particularly youth based, back into communities or groups in a similar sense to the eighties, where there is a circle of friends or peers and they have very defined parameters to their cultural tastes in films, music, politics, television, etc. I think the next big change will come from youth again, as it invariably has throughout history, but my own feeling is it will be a political one at first borne out of frustration with the current stagnant, increasingly corrupt and detached establishments that seem to be getting further from democracy with each term in office (are you listening theyknowwhatimean ? Your time is now! ) which in turn I hope will stimulate creative forces in art, music and performing arts once more that will take part of mainstream culture as opposed to being underground or off the radar at present. Right, morning rant over I am off to lose myself in a sea of accounts to the strains of the KLF's White Room album- If ever art, cultural statements and music came together in one package it was the one put together by former A&R Genius turned pop star prankster Bill Drummond & his cohorts!
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 21, 2015 8:19:09 GMT -5
Everyone's buying it, but no one gives a fuck about it. This. It's almost like the ASDA/Tesco CD sales days at their peak when Katie Melua or The Lighthouse Family had million selling records that were purchased almost entirely by people who brought music perhaps once a year, and did so as part of a grocery shopping list in between toothpaste and cereals.
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Post by joladella on Dec 21, 2015 15:17:19 GMT -5
Probably frustrated in private perhaps, but also I would think understanding of a number of factors against him. He doesn't have an array of marketing and songwriting professionals with a multi million pound budget backing him up, nor has he ever been willing to play industry games in being manipulated into the every person appeal that Adele has by having deep sounding but ultimately shallow songs on the usual love, life and sex themes, and being as media trained as Steve McLaren to the media in order to portray the right image and not cause offence, whilst also pushing your own particular tragic back story- The irony being of course that both the Gallaghers could have done that part over the years given their childhood. That's a bit of a weird stick to beat her with, from the POV of an Oasis/Noel fan, because his lyrics are usual not that "deep" either. Especially on the last album quite a few songs (as I read them) seem to be about that elusive dream woman, just from the top of my head, Riverman, X-Ray eyes, Lock all the doors, Mighty I, ... Which is not meant as a critique, btw, because I usually don't care much about lyrics.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 21, 2015 15:46:52 GMT -5
Probably frustrated in private perhaps, but also I would think understanding of a number of factors against him. He doesn't have an array of marketing and songwriting professionals with a multi million pound budget backing him up, nor has he ever been willing to play industry games in being manipulated into the every person appeal that Adele has by having deep sounding but ultimately shallow songs on the usual love, life and sex themes, and being as media trained as Steve McLaren to the media in order to portray the right image and not cause offence, whilst also pushing your own particular tragic back story- The irony being of course that both the Gallaghers could have done that part over the years given their childhood. That's a bit of a weird stick to beat her with, from the POV of an Oasis/Noel fan, because his lyrics are usual not that "deep" either. Especially on the last album quite a few songs (as I read them) seem to be about that elusive dream woman, just from the top of my head, Riverman, X-Ray eyes, Lock all the doors, Mighty I, ... Which is not meant as a critique, btw, because I usually don't care much about lyrics. I understand what you are saying but then on that same theme Oasis were never marketed as a lyric based or emotional band, with Noel's lyrics questioned even in early UK music press releases for Supersonic and particularly Shakermaker. With Adele from what I have heard and also read in reviews appears to be trying to come across on those themes which would suggest an attempt at meaningful lyrics, but falling at that hurdle IMO when compared to contemporary R n' B/Soul artists- There is an article from Eurweb that laments this fact, although I do disagree somewhat on the 'white privilege' argument they also attempt to make when referring to Adele's radio and music television playlist support. I suppose the best way to explain my views is that it is based on my own perceptions of listening and observing Adele and her team's marketing strategies, which essentially is what critiquing is- The individual's own opinions. Appreciate the feedback though, as it always gives another perspective to a viewpoint
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