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Post by spaneli on Nov 20, 2014 12:30:48 GMT -5
Noel is down to #19 on the singles chart
That does not bode well for a top 20 placing. He's gonna need a really good last second push from Johnathan Ross to catapult back in the top 20 if he falls out. I still think #22 is where he ends up. But you never know.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 20, 2014 12:33:53 GMT -5
Oh well, 22 isn't that bad. I don't even know where he's charting here but it's not even in the top 100.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 20, 2014 12:45:50 GMT -5
Something between #23 and #18, depending on how much Jonathan Ross will help him
It's doing good anyway, I didn't expect him to end in the top 25 tbh
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 20, 2014 13:03:18 GMT -5
Oh man, I was hoping Spotify would help him but it doesn't. Even Taylor Swift dumped Spotify.  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 20, 2014 13:53:06 GMT -5
Oh man, I was hoping Spotify would help him but it doesn't. Even Taylor Swift dumped Spotify. Isn't it supposed to be "Taylor Swift even dumped Spotify"? If you get my lame joke of course. |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 20, 2014 14:01:46 GMT -5
Even Taylor Swift dumped Spotify. Isn't it supposed to be "Taylor Swift even dumped Spotify"? If you get my lame joke of course. at least she'll be able to write a song about it |
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Post by smash on Nov 21, 2014 0:01:47 GMT -5
I can't help but think if this was a Beady Eye single many of the folks that post here would be gloating that it was an utter failure with similar chart positions.
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Post by spaneli on Nov 21, 2014 0:17:11 GMT -5
I can't help but think if this was a Beady Eye single many of the folks that post here would be gloating that it was an utter failure with similar chart positions. Chart position is worthless. Would it be great if Noel charted top 10? Yes. But just like beady eye, if it falls out of the charts after two weeks then what does it matter? When beady eye got their #2 and subsequent positions they did so on significantly lower sales than DGSS. If Noel were to get say #1 with his album, but did so with 60k after he debuted last album with 120k, most people would see it as a failure sales wise. Right now, if TDOYAM is used as a comparison it appears Noel will have a lower chart position and less sales, with far less promotion. Most people are happy because he's still going to have a decent charting with no promotion. However, if he goes all out in promotion on Ballad of the Might I and still only ends up with #22 then it would also be seen as a commercial failure. It's the context of a charting, like sales, promotion, and longevity that matter. WAL only charted #20 but had amazimg longevity. So far ITHOTM has goos longevity for something that isnt being promoted. Beady Eye failed in all three areas. The book is still out on Noel. But like last time, it looks good for him. He's winning where he needs to win for a decent chart run. As I always say, numbers never lie. The intentions that people use for them do, but numbers don't |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 21, 2014 1:17:58 GMT -5
How is top 20/25 a failure? |
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Post by spaneli on Nov 21, 2014 1:39:19 GMT -5
How is top 20/25 a failure? If he drops to #80 the next week that means it came and went, but made only a partial sound. Like I said, WAL went to #20, but if it had fallen out of the charts in two weeks then no one would remember it. It'd just be another song that charted decent. Its longevity made it a hit, not chart position. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 21, 2014 1:49:36 GMT -5
I know, but how can it be a failure now?
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Post by spaneli on Nov 21, 2014 1:52:37 GMT -5
I know, but how can it be a failure now? That's what I mean by the book is still out on Noel. We'll see how this album cycle will play out. |
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Post by fiv3oclocksh4dow on Nov 21, 2014 1:54:09 GMT -5
Isn't it supposed to be "Taylor Swift even dumped Spotify"? If you get my lame joke of course. at least she'll be able to write a song about it I'd run over an infant with my car to be dumped by Taylor Swift. |
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Post by lamboasis on Nov 21, 2014 3:54:33 GMT -5
Spotify is not helping. 75k streams in 4/5 days.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 21, 2014 5:31:40 GMT -5
#19 again on Itunes, still #19 on Amazon
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Nov 21, 2014 7:54:54 GMT -5
Single charts are not that important for Noel I guess - with the way this was promoted (like streaming it on youtube a month before release!) it was obvious it wouldn't be a big hit.
What's more important is how the album charts - HFB at #1 was a nice success the first time, doing it again would be great. Pretty sure that's more important for him as well.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 21, 2014 8:06:35 GMT -5
As I said before, the proper lead single will probably be Ballad Of The Mighty I, ITHOTM is doing good, especially considering it's not been promoted at all,but the album is out in March, there are still 4 months and an half to go, when the next single comes out I guess he'll start doing more tv and radio shows,performances, he'll ne interviewed by various magazines etc.
So that he'll promote the single and the album properly, and maybe BOTMI could make the top 15 and be a "hit" (well npt really a hit, but a hit for him and rock in general) like What A Life did
This looks more like a taster than like a proper first single
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 21, 2014 9:29:51 GMT -5
#20 in the midweek now
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Post by lamboasis on Nov 21, 2014 9:35:19 GMT -5
Basically on iTunes
16 nov. #16
17 nov. #18
18 nov. #18
19 nov. #18
20 nov. #20
21 nov. #20/21 (?)
Plus, since the official midweek update he's doing well on Amazon, but on Spotify ITHOTM was streamed only 75,000 times.
Vinyls sales count for the midweek update?
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 21, 2014 12:11:01 GMT -5
Still #20 on Itunes, up to #17 on Amazon
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Post by spaneli on Nov 21, 2014 12:18:41 GMT -5
Still #20 on Itunes, up to #17 on Amazon If you're noel you hope you only slip one position by tomorrow. Then the thought would be that Johnathan Ross would be the push to swing back to #20. The good thing is that usually around the 18-25 range there tends to be a bit of bunching in terms of sales. So swing back from #21 to #20 won't be that large of a leap. |
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Post by smash on Nov 21, 2014 12:21:02 GMT -5
I can't help but think if this was a Beady Eye single many of the folks that post here would be gloating that it was an utter failure with similar chart positions. Someone else said: You are aware that BE's singles did not even sniff the top 100, aren't you? If Second Bite of the Apple hit #22 on the charts this forum would be throwing a fucking parade for Andy Bell. And I say.... Most of the talk right now is around the iTune Charts - I agree for singles they never did great (though they did make iTunes top 100 in the UK on several occasions: www.itunescharts.net/artists/music/beady-eye/). But even with the album and the iTunes charts - when it was in the top 3, people were quick to declare it a failure that first week despite being in the top 3. I re-read part of that thread last night. |
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Post by lamboasis on Nov 21, 2014 12:21:54 GMT -5
How he's doing on the U.S. of A?
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Post by spaneli on Nov 21, 2014 12:30:28 GMT -5
Someone else said: You are aware that BE's singles did not even sniff the top 100, aren't you? If Second Bite of the Apple hit #22 on the charts this forum would be throwing a fucking parade for Andy Bell. And I say.... Most of the talk right now is around the iTune Charts - I agree for singles they never did great (though they did make iTunes top 100 in the UK on several occasions: www.itunescharts.net/artists/music/beady-eye/). But even with the album and the iTunes charts - when it was in the top 3, people were quick to declare it a failure that first week despite being in the top 3. I re-read part of that thread last night. DGSS charting at #3 was a good start. Can't knock a gold record. But BE, I don't care if it did chart at #2. It was a commercial failure. Anytime you lose 2/3 of your audience from one album to the next, then it's a commercial failure. No matter the chart position. No matter the artist. Lastly, who in this thread is only quoting iTunes? ITunes, amazon, vinyl sales, Spotify, and radio plays are all being used to quantify what Noel is doing. In the end, numbers don't lie. And the numbers say that beady eye lost 2/3 of their record buying audience from one album to the next and only had one top 40 single that barely stayed in the charts. A Noel comparison is not even remotely viable at this point. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 21, 2014 12:32:58 GMT -5
Someone else said: You are aware that BE's singles did not even sniff the top 100, aren't you? If Second Bite of the Apple hit #22 on the charts this forum would be throwing a fucking parade for Andy Bell. And I say.... Most of the talk right now is around the iTune Charts - I agree for singles they never did great (though they did make iTunes top 100 in the UK on several occasions: www.itunescharts.net/artists/music/beady-eye/). But even with the album and the iTunes charts - when it was in the top 3, people were quick to declare it a failure that first week despite being in the top 3. I re-read part of that thread last night. Yes but still how could putting a single in the top 25 if not top 20 be a failure? Sadly Beady never did it, their most successful single was The Roller which entered the charts at #31, and never having a "hit" was one of the things that killed them and their success If one of the BE singles even with minimal promotion topped at #21/22 all the people here would have been happy and probably surprised as well |
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