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Post by A on Oct 27, 2014 18:13:31 GMT -5
Just because she slept with a married man, doesn't mean she's some terrible person. Blame Liam, not her. It certainly doesn't mean she's a good person either. What it shows is that her moral gauge is at least slightly off. So it leaves me wondering if she truly likes Liam, or if she's with him for the money and status. It's not like this sort of thing is rare. People like to manipulate others for their own gain, it just happens. It's unfortunate, but it is very real. As for Liam, he's to blame, but he's only half of that choice. She is capable of making her own decisions is she not? True, her moral compass may be off, and none of us know her true intentions of why she really is with Liam, but how many of us can truly say we'd pass up the chance to sleep with Jennifer Lawrence, or Liam, or whatever celebrity you fancy just because they're in a relationship? As someone who's been the other guy a few times (not something I'm exactly proud of), it's a lot easier to sit on the computer and say i won't do this and I won't do that, when in reality, ignoring your attraction and feelings for someone just because they're in a relationship isn't as easy as it sounds. She may have absolutely done it for money or whatever personal gain she could get, but I'd be willing to bet that she got caught up in the mystique of Liam Gallagher and found him to hard to resist and after that she had legitimate feelings for him. As for Liam, most people cheat, at least in my experience, because they're unhappy or neglected in their relationship. So things may have been rocky in his marriage, but I'd be more than willing to bet that Liam just likes hoeing around.
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Post by Sternumman on Oct 27, 2014 18:39:13 GMT -5
Will Noel be able to fill the gap in our hearts? as great as noel's songs are! for me not. Beady Eye were something special to me. I love Noel and his songs but I really liked the work of Beady Eye more, I don`t know why. Everybody can tell me, that noels lyrics are better written, and yeah they are not that simple, and that the songs of Morning glory were written with more enegery and better structures, than songs on BE, but I don`t know ... my taste made me feel such tall and full of joy, when I first listened to BE. Some ot you think the songs are poor but to me BE was one of the best gallagher related albums ever and yes over the first two. i'm not telling you your opinion is wrong but your opinion is wrong
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Post by Jim G. on Oct 27, 2014 19:29:08 GMT -5
Shame. In a way it wasn't that surprising, since their last failed tour.
I really liked BE, and I think the main problem was the bad promotion and bad luck with Gem's injuries and Liam's personal problems.
If they hadn't made their first album such in a hurry and had debuted with BE, maybe the story of the band would be different.
Let's see what he does next. Maybe an album with collaborations with different artists, as some have suggested, would be the best possibility.
Not really up for an Oasis reunion in the near future. Wanna see more of Noel solo career. Maybe in 10 years time, though.
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Post by Rain on Oct 27, 2014 21:38:08 GMT -5
Yeah, the team rivalry bs just gets on my nerves too. I'll admit, after the split, I was team Liam for a time until I came to my senses. I mean, if you don't like one of the brothers, fine, but don't go intentionally out of your way to wish them harm or failure in their career or even to try and sabotage them by slighting them every chance you get. That's just plain indecent. So when the team Gallagher stuff arised, I really liked that perspective. Funny thing is. I've been here since 02 , not 05 , only Rain posts daily here that was here longer than me , and I don't ever remember before I left for a bit ...either brother attacked the way it got or is now getting , even some respected members of forum WHOS opinion i hold high , are taking shots at liam ,,that never happened years ago , sorta sad really , I can see new people who came on after split , I ignore them ,but when I read some anti liam stuff from older members . Im like where were u with this hate pre split ?? Don't get it , don't want to rather than fight i ignore ...... And as you know I enjoy fighting , but it gets old. , Liam is always a love/hate thing. You respect he was the face of Oasis at the start. His voice carried Oasis away from the bland British bands. I know everyone loves The Stone Roses, but there's a reason why Oasis broke through the US musically and Stone Roses stayed famous in UK. Ian Brown couldn't carry it like Liam, but then again Liam hanged Oasis by the noose from being successful long term in US. The thing about here anymore you have users who want to chime in, but never post other times or even care put an avatar in their profile, but willing argue their point across.
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Post by morning_rain on Oct 28, 2014 3:05:46 GMT -5
I'd wish my english was better so I could explain myself properly but here we go.
The saddest part for me is that Beady Eye always felt like a bunch of friends having fun. I don't think there's a dark reason or a fight behind the split, just that they faced that people just don't care about Beady Eye, they released a pretty good album and it wasn't enough to get some attention or a decent chart position. I think they are just letting it go.
And I'm 100% sure that Liam don't want to go solo. He loves the confort of being in a band and I get the impression that he can't be bothered with all the process of forming a new band, with new people, finding a producer, etc...
Someone said on some of the previous pages that THIS feels like the ending of Oasis, and in some way it's true.
And on a selfish note: now that the band is over it would be amazing if Andy or Gem leaked some demos via twitter.
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Post by shinealight on Oct 28, 2014 3:39:57 GMT -5
Time will tell... Just really hope he did not fall out with the rest of BDI. When I saw the fake tweet that Liam has more talent... I somehow think he is capable of that sort of statement when in fighting mode Would be shame cause I don' t see many ppl out there (at least in music industry) that would openly admire Liam as the best frontman ever like Andy and Gem IMO
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Post by space75gr on Oct 28, 2014 4:15:56 GMT -5
3 average session musicians and a singer with no voice, the 4 "talentless" Oasis members, made a band, a gang of friends and released 2 albums that stand proudly to everything post BHN Oasis/Noel released. When your music has the balls to be compared with the music of one of the greatest songwriters ever, this means you are finally have a great talent and you're doing something right.Personally, i have enjoyed Beady Eye music more than any Oasis album post BHN. I have total respect for them and their music and i d love to see them release more music together. We live in hard times for rock music and Beady Eye was an oasis for me in the music map.The state of music today (low sales for rock bands, no hits), many wrong desicions and serious personal problems or whatever... , gave an end one of the last great rock gangs/bands...I feel grateful for their music and i m gonna miss them a lot as Beady Eye, no matter what comes next.It really hurts to lose something you really love. Beady Eye will always BE in my heart as one of my favorite bands ever. Cheers!
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Oct 28, 2014 6:40:40 GMT -5
Amen.
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Post by underneaththesky on Oct 28, 2014 7:10:02 GMT -5
Liam is probably laughing (not) reading all the crap written here. he will surprise us.
Beady Eye put out 2 good records. maybe they havent aged as well as I'd thought. but those times around the release were always great. I can't see how some people HERE are HAPPY with the disband. it still makes no sense to me. (as I can't see how someone can hate Noel as much. the guy gave you over 100 songs you enjoyed.
(on another note, I tried to listen back to H#1's first album and oh my that was rubbish)
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 28, 2014 7:24:08 GMT -5
Yeah I don't really understand that either. Did Beady Eye bother you? Too bad, no one forces you to listen to them. Don't understand the Noel hate either indeed. I thought this was an Oasis forum. Well, like it or not, but Noel wrote most of Oasis' songs.
I didn't really care for Beady Eye and I only liked a handful of songs, but it's not like I'm happy they disbanded. Why would I be? Would my life be better because of that? Would it be worse? No, it doesn't affect my life at all and I don't go around going "THANK GOD FINALLY". Now if this was Bieber or Thicke, it would have been different as they are EVERYWHERE . Beady Eye wasn't very succesful here so they didn't bother me.
I am happy that they disbanded in the aspect of that they didn't stand a chance and deserve better, all of them. They deserve to get a chance, and to be more succesful. I personally find it sad that they went down this road after Oasis.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Oct 28, 2014 7:40:47 GMT -5
I'm not happy BDi broke up, but I'd rather Liam collaborate with other people. 'Scorpio Rising' is probably my favorite song he's been apart of since (What's the Story)Morning Glory? album, and the song he did with the Prodigy is also great.
God bless.
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Post by underneaththesky on Oct 28, 2014 7:41:31 GMT -5
agree with everything you said...till the last line. I'm happy they went down this road. them agaisnt LOTS of people that wanted them to fail.
lookin at the 'best of' thread, they've got at least 5 great songs (read : good songs that Liam made great songs) and 4-6 good songs(read ok songs that Liam made good ones) that could easily fit on any Oasis record after 2000.
just like he did with Oasis, Liam gave life to many songs, him alone.
I'll always enjoy when he's on stage. even when he's shit and he's pissed and all that. thats also what made Oasis the great little band we all started to love
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Oct 28, 2014 8:10:06 GMT -5
^Had they waited a few months with their debut, killed a few of the obvious fillers and somehow managed to get a few of the BE songs on there...they could have done an absolutely amazing album. BE is at least as good as HC, imo, just lacking the Oasis name (and maybe the huge hit that is SCYHO), but way more consistent. Same goes for DGSS, actually. (Personally, I like both as much as DBTT as well.)
I don't think their failure was due to a lack of talent or style, because they obviously had that. Their bad management, poor song choices (stuff like Off at the Next Exit), praising DGSS in advance but not departing from their Oasis sound soon enough...and of course a musical landscape that doesn't take too kindly to "new" rock bands.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Oct 28, 2014 8:19:12 GMT -5
the bad management argument doesn't jive well with me....their management also has Arcade Fire and their latest album was promoted really well, and their ex-manager won a Manager of the Year award.
either management looked at the album and didn't think it was worth promoting much, or, and what I think actually happened, Liam decided not to promote the album much because he'd end up giving up half the profits to an ex-wife and a side chick.
whatever the case, my neighbor's house blew up the other day....they've got Geraldo over at the house right now excavating the basement looking for the Ark of the Covenant.
God bless.
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Post by dtr2014 on Oct 28, 2014 9:51:05 GMT -5
1.I didn't care for either Beady Eye record. I did buy them both hoping to.
2.Admittedly, I'm a Noel guy.
3. Now, I think Liam should adopt the Rod Stewart model. Find good songs and record them.
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Post by dtr2014 on Oct 28, 2014 9:52:58 GMT -5
the bad management argument doesn't jive well with me....their management also has Arcade Fire and their latest album was promoted really well, and their ex-manager won a Manager of the Year award. either management looked at the album and didn't think it was worth promoting much, or, and what I think actually happened, Liam decided not to promote the album much because he'd end up giving up half the profits to an ex-wife and a side chick. whatever the case, my neighbor's house blew up the other day....they've got Geraldo over at the house right now excavating the basement looking for the Ark of the Covenant. God bless. I agree. Unless the manager could write decent songs, that is....
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Post by Jgrp on Oct 28, 2014 10:37:55 GMT -5
Gutted they've broken up. Was hoping for them to take the new direction further. Not seeing liam live for a long time is gutting. Not overly fussed about an oasis reunion anytime soon would much rather a Beady Eye album. The fact is everyone think Liam's a cock and that's gone against BE from the start. FOTF, SBOTA, Start Anew, etc were top tunes and if oasis songs would all be regarded as legendary. Fact.
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Post by sammygreen on Oct 28, 2014 10:55:11 GMT -5
Personally I'm gutted beady eye are no more,although anyone could see it coming a mile off, still I'm happy for what I got from them, 2 class albums in my opinion (love DGSS) and my and some old pals had a chance to get together,travel to Portsmouth and go mad fer it once more with Liam singing rock and roll star,epic night,never forgotten So whatever happens, good luck lads and thanks again for the music
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 28, 2014 10:56:16 GMT -5
the bad management argument doesn't jive well with me....their management also has Arcade Fire and their latest album was promoted really well, and their ex-manager won a Manager of the Year award. either management looked at the album and didn't think it was worth promoting much, or, and what I think actually happened, Liam decided not to promote the album much because he'd end up giving up half the profits to an ex-wife and a side chick. whatever the case, my neighbor's house blew up the other day....they've got Geraldo over at the house right now excavating the basement looking for the Ark of the Covenant. God bless. Just don't open the Ark.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Oct 28, 2014 10:59:33 GMT -5
as great as noel's songs are! for me not. Beady Eye were something special to me. I love Noel and his songs but I really liked the work of Beady Eye more, I don`t know why. Everybody can tell me, that noels lyrics are better written, and yeah they are not that simple, and that the songs of Morning glory were written with more enegery and better structures, than songs on BE, but I don`t know ... my taste made me feel such tall and full of joy, when I first listened to BE. Some ot you think the songs are poor but to me BE was one of the best gallagher related albums ever and yes over the first two. i'm not telling you your opinion is wrong but your opinion is wrong Cause its not what General public thinks? Ah great... brought us cool stuff like clothing design and haircuts oft The 80s
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Post by squire on Oct 28, 2014 11:03:21 GMT -5
Gutted they've broken up. Was hoping for them to take the new direction further. Not seeing liam live for a long time is gutting. Not overly fussed about an oasis reunion anytime soon would much rather a Beady Eye album. The fact is everyone think Liam's a cock and that's gone against BE from the start. FOTF, SBOTA, Start Anew, etc were top tunes and if oasis songs would all be regarded as legendary. Fact. I'm liked them and I'm sad they broke up but FOTF, SBOTA, and Start Anew legendary? Sorry but these songs flopped because they are just average, not because they were under the name Beady Eye.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 28, 2014 11:15:21 GMT -5
Legendary? Please don't make me laugh.
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Post by Manualex on Oct 28, 2014 11:22:00 GMT -5
Legendary? Please don't make me laugh. Legen... wait for it.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Oct 28, 2014 11:42:01 GMT -5
Gutted they've broken up. Was hoping for them to take the new direction further. Not seeing liam live for a long time is gutting. Not overly fussed about an oasis reunion anytime soon would much rather a Beady Eye album. The fact is everyone think Liam's a cock and that's gone against BE from the start. FOTF, SBOTA, Start Anew, etc were top tunes and if oasis songs would all be regarded as legendary. Fact. I'm liked them and I'm sad they broke up but FOTF, SBOTA, and Start Anew legendary? Sorry but these songs flopped because they are just average, not because they were under the name Beady Eye. maybe not legendary, but I think I see his point. Under the name oasis songs like these could have reached kind of the live favourite status or hymn like "Lyla" or "stop crying your heart out", but in the end there is no point in discusing something like this, cause we will never know.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 28, 2014 12:07:28 GMT -5
Always wanted to do a edit of Start Anew. No better time than now really. Short and sweet, less plodding. A whole minute cut.
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