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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 4, 2016 15:19:27 GMT -5
Why is everyone giving up on this? If Noel sees that nobody expects it, he won't release it!!
DON'T EVER GIVE UP!!! NEVER SAY NEVER!!!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 4, 2016 17:17:48 GMT -5
Thing is, if he hates Be Here Now, then what does he think of the following Oasis albums? In my opinion - barring a handful of great tunes - all much worse than Be Here Now. The majority opinion on this site seems to think similarly. I may have posted this before but I honestly think that his opinion on this album is based entirely on the circumstances of the time- drugs, fights and above all the missed opportunity to build Oasis into a long term internationally major rock n' roll band with an acclaimed and mega selling third album. I would be very surprised if he has even listened to it as a complete record since around 1998/1999. As to the other albums from 2000 onwards I strongly suspect it depends on what day you ask him, and whether it's on or off the record. Oh, and Beady’s Here Now says you've lost your cocaine upon the reissue's release, as you posted below his threat of this action  While I do agree with you, you're no longer getting yer pack of sugar, if you know what I mean. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 5, 2016 7:05:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that'll be it if it never comes out, Noel will bottle it. He knows that if the reissue comes out, it'll get reviewed again like Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory were, and inevitably just get slagged off all over again. He was obviously hurt by the negative press it ended up receiving in 97 - hence, his reaction to Chris Evan's 'review' on TFI Friday - so I doubt he'll want to put himself through that again. Got to remember with Noel, that he was always a dreamer. He had it all planned out: that third album was gonna be a triumphant, epic affair that would project them to rock and roll superstardom. And of course, it didn't. Not really. Noel could never have planned that their drug usage would spiral quite so out of control. So more than just not thinking it's very good, I think Noel feels incredibly bitter and resentful towards that record, so I can understand why he wouldn't want to bring all those feelings back up again, even if, as a fan, I wish he'd get over it and release the thing. I think you're giving him too much credit! Alan McGee always said that Noel was pretty much winging it early on, telling him he'd just written a new song when really he'd got a load stashed away. By Be Here Now the cupboard was bare, that was the real problem. I wasn't saying he had the track listing already in his head or anything, just that he knew what kind of album he'd make should he get as far as putting two out. Both him and Liam spoke about how Be Here Now would be the completion of a kind of trilogy, around the time it was coming out, and that they'd go on and make something totally different after that. I'm not saying Noel had it all planned, of course he didn't - even the biggest optimist in the world couldn't count on them achieving so much in such a short time - but there's no doubt Noel was a dreamer. I was reading something only the other day, about how Noel was part of the '50' - a group of 50 people in Manchester who'd go to every gig in town that they could get to. Apparently, Noel was just stand in a corner, all the time observing. And then of course, there's that remarkable story of Bonehead going up to him and asking why they weren't going to record All Around The World for Definitely Maybe, and being told it was for the third one. I think Noel was always going to make that third album a big, overblown affair, it's just his drug usage at the time clouded his vision, so that EVERYTHING on it was overblown, and a more delicate touch was never given to the songs that really needed it. |
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Post by space75gr on Jan 5, 2016 7:40:43 GMT -5
We should start somewhere an official petition and ask that lazy bastard (NG) to release the album.
also a 2nd petition for NG to finally stop talking against that masteripiece (BHN).
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Post by brumoscardo on Jan 5, 2016 7:54:23 GMT -5
I think BHN is great album but a bit of a lazy and unfinished work.
Everyone here is analyzing it as how they feel about it nowadays, but I tell you that back in 97/98, the album was praised and the band was in every magazine cover on the planet. Also all the fans were extasiastic with the tour and singles and bsides release etc.
So now that Noel has slagged the album off, everyone tends to overanalyze it and give a current review for the album. I tell you that we don't feel the same back then and we will never be able to feel the same again about the album, unless we recolect all the memorabilia and articles from back then.
How would you feel about a 'Please Please Me' reissue? Everybody feels the same way today about 'Twist and Shout' for instance? I can't stand listening to 'All Around the World' now, but I used to love it when it first came out.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 5, 2016 8:54:57 GMT -5
THIS IS NEVER COMING OUT
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 5, 2016 9:13:49 GMT -5
I've said this a hundred times before, possibly even in this thread, but I would much prefer some sort of Anthology thing, with unheard stuff, demo's, outtakes, funny bloopers, some special live stuff (songs that have been performed once or something, maybe some soundchecks of songs we haven't heard live) for all of their material rather than a reissue of Be Here Now.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 5, 2016 9:16:44 GMT -5
I've said this a hundred times before, possibly even in this thread, but I would much prefer some sort of Anthology thing, with unheard stuff, demo's, outtakes, funny bloopers, some special live stuff (songs that have been performed once or something, maybe some soundchecks of songs we haven't heard live) for all of their material rather than a reissue of Be Here Now. Oh the anthology will come, in time. Maybe another 10-12 years. Not now. Too much other things to hawk. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 5, 2016 9:21:34 GMT -5
I've said this a hundred times before, possibly even in this thread, but I would much prefer some sort of Anthology thing, with unheard stuff, demo's, outtakes, funny bloopers, some special live stuff (songs that have been performed once or something, maybe some soundchecks of songs we haven't heard live) for all of their material rather than a reissue of Be Here Now. Oh the anthology with come, in time. Maybe another 10-12 years. Not now. Too much other things to hawk. Oh yeah, not now, obviously. Just in general. If I look at the way the DM and WTSMG reissues were put together, I can't really get excited about this one. So unless I see the tracklist and it won't be the songs, the B-sides and 3 crap quality live performances, I can't get excited. This thing will probably not happen anyway. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 5, 2016 9:23:38 GMT -5
Oh the anthology with come, in time. Maybe another 10-12 years. Not now. Too much other things to hawk. Oh yeah, not now, obviously. Just in general. If I look at the way the DM and WTSMG reissues were put together, I can't really get excited about this one. So unless I see the tracklist and it won't be the songs, the B-sides and 3 crap quality live performances, I can't get excited. This thing will probably not happen anyway. That's why those reissues look so skimpy in places, Noel is obviously holding back true gems for future releases. A clear sign of this for me is no "Setting Sun aka Coming On Strong" on the DM reissue. Why hold that back? And if Noel had any REAL balls he'd put "Slow" on the canceled Be Here Now reissue.  |
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Jan 5, 2016 11:34:02 GMT -5
when…
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Jan 5, 2016 15:37:26 GMT -5
Oh yeah, not now, obviously. Just in general. If I look at the way the DM and WTSMG reissues were put together, I can't really get excited about this one. So unless I see the tracklist and it won't be the songs, the B-sides and 3 crap quality live performances, I can't get excited. This thing will probably not happen anyway. That's why those reissues look so skimpy in places, Noel is obviously holding back true gems for future releases. A clear sign of this for me is no "Setting Sun aka Coming On Strong" on the DM reissue. Why hold that back? And if Noel had any REAL balls he'd put "Slow" on the canceled Be Here Now reissue. Not convinced Noel is really doing anything at all. Too far fetched he is making a decision to hold things back. And to be fair he probably shouldn't give two monkeys about the old days and should focus on new stuff. It's the management team that have missed the opportunity to do something cool with the reissues. Think most people here who give a shit it's because we are massive fans with high hopes and expectations. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 18:24:08 GMT -5
Oh the anthology with come, in time. Maybe another 10-12 years. Not now. Too much other things to hawk. Oh yeah, not now, obviously. Just in general. If I look at the way the DM and WTSMG reissues were put together, I can't really get excited about this one. So unless I see the tracklist and it won't be the songs, the B-sides and 3 crap quality live performances, I can't get excited. This thing will probably not happen anyway. All the live versions that were released on the reissue were all great, especially the ones from Roskilde. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 18:24:53 GMT -5
Oh yeah, not now, obviously. Just in general. If I look at the way the DM and WTSMG reissues were put together, I can't really get excited about this one. So unless I see the tracklist and it won't be the songs, the B-sides and 3 crap quality live performances, I can't get excited. This thing will probably not happen anyway. That's why those reissues look so skimpy in places, Noel is obviously holding back true gems for future releases. A clear sign of this for me is no "Setting Sun aka Coming On Strong" on the DM reissue. Why hold that back? And if Noel had any REAL balls he'd put "Slow" on the canceled Be Here Now reissue. What about the reason that Lock All The Doors wasn't on the Definitely Maybe reissue??? |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 5, 2016 19:46:28 GMT -5
That's why those reissues look so skimpy in places, Noel is obviously holding back true gems for future releases. A clear sign of this for me is no "Setting Sun aka Coming On Strong" on the DM reissue. Why hold that back? And if Noel had any REAL balls he'd put "Slow" on the canceled Be Here Now reissue. What about the reason that Lock All The Doors wasn't on the Definitely Maybe reissue??? If it weren't for Noel's extreme laziness I'd say it was because he was gonna include it on CY, but most likely he's just a lazy bastard. |
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Post by glider on Jan 5, 2016 19:51:37 GMT -5
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 5, 2016 19:57:18 GMT -5
I've said this a hundred times before, possibly even in this thread, but I would much prefer some sort of Anthology thing, with unheard stuff, demo's, outtakes, funny bloopers, some special live stuff (songs that have been performed once or something, maybe some soundchecks of songs we haven't heard live) for all of their material rather than a reissue of Be Here Now. Oh the anthology with come, in time. Maybe another 10-12 years. Not now. Too much other things to hawk. We were lucky to get the other two, no matter how average they ended up being. Honestly, Noel is still putting out really good new music and earning money with it - he doesn't need the reissues. Maybe in 10, 15 or 20 years when things have slowed down for him it'll make more sense. |
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Post by space75gr on Jan 6, 2016 16:32:08 GMT -5
definitely. and we can count to the power of live4ever members/. WE CAN COUNT TO THE POWER OF LIVE4EVER so many people here LOVE/ADORE BHN and imo, that promo for BHN could give to the album extra promo in the press. i m definitely sure that our petition for BHN its gonna be in the news cause almost anything related to oasis is. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 7, 2016 9:20:00 GMT -5
Current mood.  |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 7, 2016 10:59:11 GMT -5
I definitely will. I had some Be Here Now-era stuff playing through my earphones last night whilst I was trying to get some work done, and because I had it on a lot quieter than I usually would, I swear I heard things I've never heard before: another guitar line at the end of Stay Young, for instance, and that awesome (backwards(?)) guitar bit in the bridge of D'You Know What I Mean? that was discovered with the OOPS mix things the other year, was a lot clearer. But then turn it up again, and they're just gone. Vanished. No longer able to be detected. It's not even like with other records that have a lot crammed in the mix, where you can hear all sorts of things if you know where to listen out, with Be Here Now, there are certain tunes (I Hope, I Think, I Know and the last chorus of D'YKWIM in particular) where there's just an impenetrable hiss down one of the channels, and you can't really hear anything at all. That's just not good enough. The record deserves better than that. I'm sure there are all sorts of treats buried in the mix (I would be disappointed if there weren't - they were at it recording the thing for 6 months), but even if all the remaster did was bring out some of that guitar on D'YKWIM, and the strings on Don't Go Away and Stand By Me more, it'd still be worth buying imo. But in the event that we manage to collect enough signatures, we have to know what we're gonna do then. Send it to the Oasis twitter account? Or maybe Noel's manager, Russell? |
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Post by NYR on Jan 8, 2016 10:40:37 GMT -5
I like turtles.
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Post by Ross on Jan 8, 2016 11:21:22 GMT -5
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 8, 2016 11:22:33 GMT -5
I definitely will. I had some Be Here Now-era stuff playing through my earphones last night whilst I was trying to get some work done, and because I had it on a lot quieter than I usually would, I swear I heard things I've never heard before: another guitar line at the end of Stay Young, for instance, and that awesome (backwards(?)) guitar bit in the bridge of D'You Know What I Mean? that was discovered with the OOPS mix things the other year, was a lot clearer. But then turn it up again, and they're just gone. Vanished. No longer able to be detected. It's not even like with other records that have a lot crammed in the mix, where you can hear all sorts of things if you know where to listen out, with Be Here Now, there are certain tunes (I Hope, I Think, I Know and the last chorus of D'YKWIM in particular) where there's just an impenetrable hiss down one of the channels, and you can't really hear anything at all. That's just not good enough. The record deserves better than that. I'm sure there are all sorts of treats buried in the mix (I would be disappointed if there weren't - they were at it recording the thing for 6 months), but even if all the remaster did was bring out some of that guitar on D'YKWIM, and the strings on Don't Go Away and Stand By Me more, it'd still be worth buying imo. But in the event that we manage to collect enough signatures, we have to know what we're gonna do then. Send it to the Oasis twitter account? Or maybe Noel's manager, Russell? Send it to the NME.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 16:24:34 GMT -5
BIG BUMP!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 16:25:24 GMT -5
GMEX 97 was OASIS's SHEA STADIUM!
A MAGNUM OPUS!!
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