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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 31, 2015 23:29:20 GMT -5
I really don't think it'll ever be released. Seriously. The promotion for Chasing The Sun has obviously run out of steam - which was primarily pushed by their most renowned album, WTSMG, acting as the fulcrum for the originally planned three releases. Outside of this forum, I just don't see how they can rev up the advertising for a BHN release. And I don't believe the bullshit lie that Noel's Chasing Yesterday interfered (who created that spin? I can't remember?). IF ANYTHING Chasing Yesterday would have augmented the Oasis releases of BHN. So there's another reason behind why they didn't/won't release it. And I'm curious to know what it is (maybe it's to do with the difficulty of getting the Mustique Demos? I don't know, that just seems the only viable speculation I can come up with). Speaking of which, even if we do get the BHN release (which we won't), I'd put my house on there being NO Mustique Demos. Fact.Bookmarked, so if your wrong Noel goes from five houses (as Liam claimed) to six   I doubt you have anything to worry about either though |
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Post by mossy on Jan 2, 2016 14:02:20 GMT -5
Speaking of which, even if we do get the BHN release (which we won't), I'd put my house on there being NO Mustique Demos. Fact. We WILL get some of the Mustique Demos. Just not all of them. Opinion. |
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Post by davidjay on Jan 2, 2016 14:20:41 GMT -5
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Post by carryusall on Jan 2, 2016 14:33:39 GMT -5
I wonder if these linking tracks will be on the Be Here Now reissue. Would love to hear them. (Quoted from Mr Monobrow's excellent Oasis Interviews Archive site oasisinterviews.blogspot.co.uk/1997_07_01_archive.html ) I would love a two cd version of Be Here Now. That album is not long enough. The vinyl edition should come with a John Cale-style locked groove so that it never ends |
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Post by johnlennon696 on Jan 3, 2016 9:31:00 GMT -5
ALL I FUCKING WANT is the 8 minute guitar-laden, Liam snarled version of Record Fucking Machine, god damn it. Does this exist and when was it recorded? |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 3, 2016 9:33:50 GMT -5
It definitely exists, although I see no reason for it to be on the BHN reissue. Gotta wait for that 2028 DOYS box set.
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Post by Gas Panic on Jan 3, 2016 12:52:05 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure that version of Record Machine is from the DBTT sessions isn't it?
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Post by johnlennon696 on Jan 3, 2016 17:23:35 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure that version of Record Machine is from the DBTT sessions isn't it? What i thought TBH, considering the Noel sung version is from then (i think). |
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Post by Jim on Jan 3, 2016 17:44:56 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure that version of Record Machine is from the DBTT sessions isn't it? What i thought TBH, considering the Noel sung version is from then (i think). The leaked version we have is from the Don't Believe The Truth sessions, which came from a "borrowed" CD and the High Flying Birds demo which was released on Faster Than The Speed of Magic, is also from those sessions, albeit an alternative mix. The 8 minute version was recorded during the Dig Out Your Soul sessions and was confirmed by Noel on an official Q&A Japanese promo CD-R released for the press when the first HFB album came out. Andy Bell also said it had been recorded along with Come On, It's Alright (Outside) but without a final Liam vocal. I believe There will have been rough LG vocals recorded at the very least at one session. I can remember Liam tweeting something along the lines of : "50 piece choir? More like 50 guitar solos" It was when both were taking shots at each other during the DOYS tour on Twitter and the tour diary. Personally, I don't believe Noel's story that either song wasn't finished due to Liam leaving to get married, they had sufficient time before and afterwards for Liam to put down vocals before the album had to be mixed etc. We'll never get a proper answer to that mystery. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 3, 2016 17:51:42 GMT -5
What i thought TBH, considering the Noel sung version is from then (i think). The leaked version we have is from the Don't Believe The Truth sessions, which came from a "borrowed" CD and the High Flying Birds demo which was released on Faster Than The Speed of Magic, is also from those sessions, albeit an alternative mix. The 8 minute version was recorded during the Dig Out Your Soul sessions and was confirmed by Noel on an official Q&A Japanese promo CD-R released for the press when the first HFB album came out. Andy Bell also said it had been recorded along with Come On, It's Alright (Outside) but without a final Liam vocal. I believe There will have been rough LG vocals recorded at the very least at one session. I can remember Liam tweeting something along the lines of : "50 piece choir? More like 50 guitar solos" It was when both were taking shots at each other during the DOYS tour on Twitter and the tour diary. Personally, I don't believe Noel's story that either song wasn't finished due to Liam leaving to get married, they had sufficient time before and afterwards for Liam to put down vocals before the album had to be mixed etc. We'll never get a proper answer to that mystery. By my count, they had almost 8 months to record vocals to Record Machine and Come On Outside. Plenty of time. Noel sometimes can be a punk ass bitch. That song was dying to be an Oasis tune since 2002. Interesting you say the demo from the HFB DVD is from the DBTT sessions. I've never heard that before. Good find.  |
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Post by matt on Jan 3, 2016 18:04:01 GMT -5
I will be stunned if this is released. Let's face it - Noel's new album will come out, he will tour again. And the explanation - 'there just hasn't been the time to release it and the moment has passed'.
Read between the lines - just like the AA album: "I bottled it".
Problem with Noel is he's either a lazy money grabbing bastard who can't be bothered to finish off albums (Dig Out Your Soul) and ripping us all off in the process or he bottles it. Probably the worst traits possible for serious musician.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 18:15:02 GMT -5
They will release it, but only a 2 disc edition with just b-sides and some live songs like Help!, To Be Someone and The Boys Are Back in Town
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 3, 2016 18:20:05 GMT -5
I will be stunned if this is released. Let's face it - Noel's new album will come out, he will tour again. And the explanation - 'there just hasn't been the time to release it and the moment has passed'. Read between the lines - just like the AA album: "I bottled it". Problem with Noel is he's either a lazy money grabbing bastard who can't be bothered to finish off albums (Dig Out Your Soul) and ripping us all off in the process or he bottles it. Probably the worst traits possible for serious musician. I can name plenty of current bands who released new albums and reissues in the same year........... - Radiohead - Pearl Jam - Smashing Pumpkins (aka...Billy Corgan) |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 3, 2016 20:12:27 GMT -5
Carl Barat of the Libertines released albums with two different bands in 2015. It's definitely possible and since the work seems to be mostly done, there is no real reason not to release this fucker...but they won't.
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Post by carryusall on Jan 3, 2016 20:19:48 GMT -5
Carl Barat of the Libertines released albums with two different bands in 2015. It's definitely possible and since the work seems to be mostly done, there is no real reason not to release this fucker...but they won't. And those are both great albums |
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Jan 4, 2016 1:48:10 GMT -5
Lock all the Doors was written about the BHN reissue...Noel and the reissue were giggling on the floor that we would never find them.
Ok, LATD was mostly written in like 92 or whenever...but NGs been planning this tease for some time now.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 4, 2016 11:49:21 GMT -5
I will be stunned if this is released. Let's face it - Noel's new album will come out, he will tour again. And the explanation - 'there just hasn't been the time to release it and the moment has passed'. Read between the lines - just like the AA album: "I bottled it". Problem with Noel is he's either a lazy money grabbing bastard who can't be bothered to finish off albums (Dig Out Your Soul) and ripping us all off in the process or he bottles it. Probably the worst traits possible for serious musician. Yeah, I think that'll be it if it never comes out, Noel will bottle it. He knows that if the reissue comes out, it'll get reviewed again like Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory were, and inevitably just get slagged off all over again. He was obviously hurt by the negative press it ended up receiving in 97 - hence, his reaction to Chris Evan's 'review' on TFI Friday - so I doubt he'll want to put himself through that again. Got to remember with Noel, that he was always a dreamer. He had it all planned out: that third album was gonna be a triumphant, epic affair that would project them to rock and roll superstardom. And of course, it didn't. Not really. Noel could never have planned that their drug usage would spiral quite so out of control. So more than just not thinking it's very good, I think Noel feels incredibly bitter and resentful towards that record, so I can understand why he wouldn't want to bring all those feelings back up again, even if, as a fan, I wish he'd get over it and release the thing. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jan 4, 2016 12:13:50 GMT -5
I will be stunned if this is released. Let's face it - Noel's new album will come out, he will tour again. And the explanation - 'there just hasn't been the time to release it and the moment has passed'. Read between the lines - just like the AA album: "I bottled it". Problem with Noel is he's either a lazy money grabbing bastard who can't be bothered to finish off albums (Dig Out Your Soul) and ripping us all off in the process or he bottles it. Probably the worst traits possible for serious musician. Yeah, I think that'll be it if it never comes out, Noel will bottle it. He knows that if the reissue comes out, it'll get reviewed again like Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory were, and inevitably just get slagged off all over again. He was obviously hurt by the negative press it ended up receiving in 97 - hence, his reaction to Chris Evan's 'review' on TFI Friday - so I doubt he'll want to put himself through that again. Got to remember with Noel, that he was always a dreamer. He had it all planned out: that third album was gonna be a triumphant, epic affair that would project them to rock and roll superstardom. And of course, it didn't. Not really. Noel could never have planned that their drug usage would spiral quite so out of control. So more than just not thinking it's very good, I think Noel feels incredibly bitter and resentful towards that record, so I can understand why he wouldn't want to bring all those feelings back up again, even if, as a fan, I wish he'd get over it and release the thing. I think you're giving him too much credit! Alan McGee always said that Noel was pretty much winging it early on, telling him he'd just written a new song when really he'd got a load stashed away. By Be Here Now the cupboard was bare, that was the real problem. |
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Post by carryusall on Jan 4, 2016 12:17:15 GMT -5
I will be stunned if this is released. Let's face it - Noel's new album will come out, he will tour again. And the explanation - 'there just hasn't been the time to release it and the moment has passed'. Read between the lines - just like the AA album: "I bottled it". Problem with Noel is he's either a lazy money grabbing bastard who can't be bothered to finish off albums (Dig Out Your Soul) and ripping us all off in the process or he bottles it. Probably the worst traits possible for serious musician. Yeah, I think that'll be it if it never comes out, Noel will bottle it. He knows that if the reissue comes out, it'll get reviewed again like Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory were, and inevitably just get slagged off all over again. He was obviously hurt by the negative press it ended up receiving in 97 - hence, his reaction to Chris Evan's 'review' on TFI Friday - so I doubt he'll want to put himself through that again. Got to remember with Noel, that he was always a dreamer. He had it all planned out: that third album was gonna be a triumphant, epic affair that would project them to rock and roll superstardom. And of course, it didn't. Not really. Noel could never have planned that their drug usage would spiral quite so out of control. So more than just not thinking it's very good, I think Noel feels incredibly bitter and resentful towards that record, so I can understand why he wouldn't want to bring all those feelings back up again, even if, as a fan, I wish he'd get over it and release the thing. I feel that reviews of a reissue couldn't be as unkind to the record as retrospectives have been thus far. Re-issues reframe albums as artefacts and situate them in their historical and social contexts. It's the perfect time to reflect on the creation of a record, what led to it and its effect on the world. All reissue reviews open this way, and Be Here Now affords more interesting fodder for this sort of thing than any album since Exile on Main Street. This would be Be Here Now's best shot at critical rehabilitation: even if the b-sides, demos and live tracks don't convince reviewers to see the album differently, they do help to conjure up the spirit of where Oasis were at the time. And where Oasis were at that time is so interesting and anomalous a situation that surely reviews would have to recommend the album at least as a curiosity, a sort of set text for the uninitiated. For better or for worse, Be Here Now is a canonical album, more so for its negative reception and effect on Oasis' critical standing than anything else, but essential listening for any new rock n roll fan nonetheless. And I feel reviews of a reissue would have to reflect this and capitulate at least a little maddening, galvanising and occasionally coma-inducing mess of compression and cocaine that is Be Here Now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 12:49:40 GMT -5
I think the orginal plan was to remix it and therefore maybe in his mind bring it more up to par with the previous 2 but as Noel stated the way it was made, made it what it was or maybe Noel simply decided he still hated it and wanted nothing to do with it and seeing as the other 2 reissues likely didnt sell amazingly it was too easy to ditch it altogether.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 4, 2016 12:54:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that'll be it if it never comes out, Noel will bottle it. He knows that if the reissue comes out, it'll get reviewed again like Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory were, and inevitably just get slagged off all over again. He was obviously hurt by the negative press it ended up receiving in 97 - hence, his reaction to Chris Evan's 'review' on TFI Friday - so I doubt he'll want to put himself through that again. Got to remember with Noel, that he was always a dreamer. He had it all planned out: that third album was gonna be a triumphant, epic affair that would project them to rock and roll superstardom. And of course, it didn't. Not really. Noel could never have planned that their drug usage would spiral quite so out of control. So more than just not thinking it's very good, I think Noel feels incredibly bitter and resentful towards that record, so I can understand why he wouldn't want to bring all those feelings back up again, even if, as a fan, I wish he'd get over it and release the thing. I feel that reviews of a reissue couldn't be as unkind to the record as retrospectives have been thus far. Re-issues reframe albums as artefacts and situate them in their historical and social contexts. It's the perfect time to reflect on the creation of a record, what led to it and its effect on the world. All reissue reviews open this way, and Be Here Now affords more interesting fodder for this sort of thing than any album since Exile on Main Street. This would be Be Here Now's best shot at critical rehabilitation: even if the b-sides, demos and live tracks don't convince reviewers to see the album differently, they do help to conjure up the spirit of where Oasis were at the time. And where Oasis were at that time is so interesting and anomalous a situation that surely reviews would have to recommend the album at least as a curiosity, a sort of set text for the uninitiated. For better or for worse, Be Here Now is a canonical album, more so for its negative reception and effect on Oasis' critical standing than anything else, but essential listening for any new rock n roll fan nonetheless. And I feel reviews of a reissue would have to reflect this and capitulate at least a little maddening, galvanising and occasionally coma-inducing mess of compression and cocaine that is Be Here Now. Agree fully with this very smart response. And i gotta add that if BHN was to be re-released nowadays, it would get a better treatment. Oasis became a national gem, and BHN a treasure waiting to be rediscovered. Noel's every word are printed like they are words from god. In a world where rock bands dont exist anymore for the general audience, this record could finally get the praise it should have had back in 97. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 4, 2016 13:33:22 GMT -5
The next person to bump this will get their cocaine taken away upon release. There, that should do it.
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Post by matt on Jan 4, 2016 13:34:05 GMT -5
Thing is, if he hates Be Here Now, then what does he think of the following Oasis albums?
In my opinion - barring a handful of great tunes - all much worse than Be Here Now. The majority opinion on this site seems to think similarly.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 4, 2016 14:29:30 GMT -5
Thing is, if he hates Be Here Now, then what does he think of the following Oasis albums? In my opinion - barring a handful of great tunes - all much worse than Be Here Now. The majority opinion on this site seems to think similarly. I may have posted this before but I honestly think that his opinion on this album is based entirely on the circumstances of the time- drugs, fights and above all the missed opportunity to build Oasis into a long term internationally major rock n' roll band with an acclaimed and mega selling third album. I would be very surprised if he has even listened to it as a complete record since around 1998/1999. As to the other albums from 2000 onwards I strongly suspect it depends on what day you ask him, and whether it's on or off the record. Oh, and Beady’s Here Now says you've lost your cocaine upon the reissue's release, as you posted below his threat of this action |
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Jan 4, 2016 14:47:55 GMT -5
DM so raw, so new, so refreshing
WTSMG defining, confirms oasis as a phenomena, but too polished IMO almost too perfected
BHN so fucking epic, overblown yet to me the only album that you get the "this is fucking actually happening moment". DYKWIM gave me the best feeling , even though it's not reallly a scratch on the best from DM, WTSMG or the best b-sides from both.
A reissue won't really do much for anyone other than us (the true fanatics), it's for this reason I can't see it happening. But it's for this reason BHN Was my most anticipated. DM/WTSMG had been done to death, but BHN for the fans had so much more to give. ...be a shame if it doesn't happen.
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