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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 11, 2014 19:58:18 GMT -5
this side of his musicianship seems to have been abandoned after SOTSOG (minus TSOTL). Really far, far too early. Interesting to think how important the events of 1998-2000 were on Oasis's second half of their career and how little we know about them. Lots of important but understated events: -The backlash against BHN and constant criticism of the band for being too over-the-top -Noel going cold turkey and finding new inspiration for songwriting (from "Gas Panic" to "PYMWYMI") -Reaction to BHN "failure" is a much more contained and less inhibited approach to future records -Band trying to rebuild themselves and find a new sense of purpose as the world of pop music changed drastically from the mid 90s, "Oasis aren't fashionable anymore" -Bonehead and Guigsy leaving and being replaced by Andy and Gem -Reception to SOTSOG, a new and very different Oasis record, is largely mixed -The risk-taking record and approach is "punished", which is another blow to the band's invincibility and led to the play-it-safe retread of HC -The SOTSOG world tour is for the first time, a "greatest hits" setlist. No acoustic set and somewhat mechanical performances, given the fact that new members are in -The personal problems going on during the SOTSOG tour, Barcelona incident We really need a good detailed book on this period, which I think is one of the most important in their history. I think all of those points are absolutely spot on for why it happened, and it is indeed arguably one of the most important eras for the band, that wrongly gets overlooked. I still maintain it was a mistake though. Evolution needed to happen, and it did, but in doing so they practically abandoned one of their most captivating sides, which they did so well. I personally put the decline of Oasis down to Noel loosing his confidence after Be Here Now (including all of the above reasons you list), Liam wanting to go back into the studio too early (Before Noel had built up sufficient material), the rest of the band having to fill the gaps left (in terms of songs) and a loss of motivation having already reached the height of music (Noel wrote tonnes of music before 1994, large chunks of the first 3 albums, but during the 2000's I read an interview where he said he's slowed down as a writer and was only writing a few a year). |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 11, 2014 21:00:52 GMT -5
Interesting to think how important the events of 1998-2000 were on Oasis's second half of their career and how little we know about them. Lots of important but understated events: -The backlash against BHN and constant criticism of the band for being too over-the-top -Noel going cold turkey and finding new inspiration for songwriting (from "Gas Panic" to "PYMWYMI") -Reaction to BHN "failure" is a much more contained and less inhibited approach to future records -Band trying to rebuild themselves and find a new sense of purpose as the world of pop music changed drastically from the mid 90s, "Oasis aren't fashionable anymore" -Bonehead and Guigsy leaving and being replaced by Andy and Gem -Reception to SOTSOG, a new and very different Oasis record, is largely mixed -The risk-taking record and approach is "punished", which is another blow to the band's invincibility and led to the play-it-safe retread of HC -The SOTSOG world tour is for the first time, a "greatest hits" setlist. No acoustic set and somewhat mechanical performances, given the fact that new members are in -The personal problems going on during the SOTSOG tour, Barcelona incident We really need a good detailed book on this period, which I think is one of the most important in their history. I think all of those points are absolutely spot on for why it happened, and it is indeed arguably one of the most important eras for the band, that wrongly gets overlooked. I still maintain it was a mistake though. Evolution needed to happen, and it did, but in doing so they practically abandoned one of their most captivating sides, which they did so well. I personally put the decline of Oasis down to Noel loosing his confidence after Be Here Now (including all of the above reasons you list), Liam wanting to go back into the studio too early (Before Noel had built up sufficient material), the rest of the band having to fill the gaps left (in terms of songs) and a loss of motivation having already reached the height of music (Noel wrote tonnes of music before 1994, large chunks of the first 3 albums, but during the 2000's I read an interview where he said he's slowed down as a writer and was only writing a few a year). Somebody stole Noel's mojo.  |
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Post by warewolf95 on Oct 11, 2014 21:01:22 GMT -5
This is the kind of epic thread I typically avoid posting my thoughts in because I know I'll just be interrupting. Carry on.  |
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Post by losingmyhead on Oct 11, 2014 21:06:08 GMT -5
Hadn't listened to NGHFB for half a year, and popped it into the car CD player today to see that I felt about it.
Stop The Clocks should've been buried and dead years ago, Soldier Boys and Jesus Freaks should have been a nice B-side, Dream On goes on two minutes too long and If I Had A Gun is wasted potential personified, but:
The Death of You and Me is a great, great tune, a worthy candidate for Noel's finest post 1997 song, What A Life is kick ass pop single, no small feat for a 45 year old non-frontman, Broken Arrow is a beautiful melody, Record Machine, for all of the nonsense in its history, gets my heart pumping every time, Stranded On the Wrong Beach is a sleazy bluesy rocker that belies the idea that Noel has gone completely soft, Everybody;s On the Run is an true anthem and If I Had Gun, for all of the atrocities committed on it by Sardy, still gets across somehow.
Noel's a classicist as heart. He's never gonna be Radiohead. He's going to write songs that sound firmly in the pop-rock mainstream continium extending back to the 60s. NGHFB was a hell of an accomplishment and is probably about as good as we can expect. If he replicates it, I will be impressed.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 11, 2014 21:06:26 GMT -5
This is the kind of epic thread I typically avoid posting my thoughts in because I know I'll just be interrupting. Carry on. |
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Post by Thomas on Oct 11, 2014 21:20:07 GMT -5
I think people are gonna be disappointed if they want rock 'n roll and energy from Noel or BDi. Noel's getting up there in age and BDi lack the songs/songsmanship, and BDi aren't young themselves. God bless. The funny thing is that as much people talk about Noel being mid-tempo, Beady Eye weren't that much more rocking on their own albums. DGSS was mostly mid-tempo light tunes. BE was darker, but it wasn't much heavier or rocking. It still had tunes like Soul Love, Soon Comes Tomorrow, Iz Rite, Don't Brother Me, Start Anew, Ballroom Figured. There are only three real "rockers" on that album: Face the Crowd (possibly the worst song), Shine A Light, and Flick of the Finger. But everything else is either mid-tempo pop tunes or slower tempo and drudging. In terms of mix of uptempo rockers and mid-tempo, there's not that much of a difference between HFB's and Beady Eye. What about I'm Just Saying? Sounds pretty "rocker" to me. |
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Post by Manualex on Oct 11, 2014 21:38:24 GMT -5
This is the kind of epic thread I typically avoid posting my thoughts in because I know I'll just be interrupting. Carry on. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 11, 2014 21:45:50 GMT -5
This is the kind of epic thread I typically avoid posting my thoughts in because I know I'll just be interrupting. Carry on. |
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 11, 2014 22:56:12 GMT -5
and a loss of motivation having already reached the height of music (Noel wrote tonnes of music before 1994, large chunks of the first 3 albums, but during the 2000's I read an interview where he said he's slowed down as a writer and was only writing a few a year). That's absolutely true, I forgot that. Where do you go next after playing to 250,000 people? And the other point you make is very valid, that Noel's stash of songs was depleted by the end of BHN. DYKWIM - written in '96, done in soundchecks acoustically (Getting High book) My Big Mouth - same as ^^ Magic Pie - this must be a "new" one for the album Stand by Me - An old one apparently, but do we know when from? 92? 93? IHITIK - Noel wanted this to be the first single so maybe written 96 TGITDS - written in 96 I think, Hewitt's book describes it Fade In/Out - Mustique Dont Go Away - "Feel the Pain", written during MG days apparently BHN - not sure about this one AATW - obviously from 92 IGBM - Also from 96 Wow, I've lead us even further off topic than before. Nevermind, then. |
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Post by manic on Oct 11, 2014 23:33:08 GMT -5
I think all of those points are absolutely spot on for why it happened, and it is indeed arguably one of the most important eras for the band, that wrongly gets overlooked. I still maintain it was a mistake though. Evolution needed to happen, and it did, but in doing so they practically abandoned one of their most captivating sides, which they did so well. I personally put the decline of Oasis down to Noel loosing his confidence after Be Here Now (including all of the above reasons you list), Liam wanting to go back into the studio too early (Before Noel had built up sufficient material), the rest of the band having to fill the gaps left (in terms of songs) and a loss of motivation having already reached the height of music (Noel wrote tonnes of music before 1994, large chunks of the first 3 albums, but during the 2000's I read an interview where he said he's slowed down as a writer and was only writing a few a year). Somebody stole Noel's mojo. So what you're saying is, we need to send Noel back in time so he can go to the moon and reclaim his mojo? I'm up for it. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 11, 2014 23:53:53 GMT -5
Somebody stole Noel's mojo. So what you're saying is, we need to send Noel back in time so he can go to the moon and reclaim his mojo? I'm up for it. Yes, that's exactly what I am suggesting. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 12, 2014 2:23:00 GMT -5
I dont expect another Headshrinker from him, but come on Noel, we can get something like Rockin Chair.
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Post by manic on Oct 12, 2014 2:26:49 GMT -5
So what you're saying is, we need to send Noel back in time so he can go to the moon and reclaim his mojo? I'm up for it. Yes, that's exactly what I am suggesting.  |
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Post by spud on Oct 12, 2014 6:19:42 GMT -5
I just hope it has a good hook. I worry he's ran out of hooks.
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Post by scott1 on Oct 12, 2014 6:25:47 GMT -5
If we take a step back and think for a second...
Tomorrow theres a chance we'll hear new Noel material that we've heard in some form before, demos/soundchecks etc. - and that's pretty exciting.
However there's also a chance that whatever we hear tomorrow is completely unheard, unknown and fresh to our ears - I'll find it hard not to wet myself if this happens.
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Post by mouth on Oct 12, 2014 6:34:13 GMT -5
if there will be something new, it will be something unheard.
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Post by Gas Panic on Oct 12, 2014 6:37:11 GMT -5
If we take a step back and think for a second... Tomorrow theres a chance we'll hear new Noel material that we've heard in some form before, demos/soundchecks etc. - and that's pretty exciting. However there's also a chance that whatever we hear tomorrow is completely unheard, unknown and fresh to our ears - I'll find it hard not to wet myself if this happens. I'd be surprised if the first thing we hear isn't completely unheard. If it's come on outside or revolution song I think that'll really be an anticlimax. I'd take a spectacular version of TDOTL however! |
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Post by LlAM on Oct 12, 2014 7:17:34 GMT -5
If we take a step back and think for a second... Tomorrow theres a chance we'll hear new Noel material that we've heard in some form before, demos/soundchecks etc. - and that's pretty exciting. However there's also a chance that whatever we hear tomorrow is completely unheard, unknown and fresh to our ears - I'll find it hard not to wet myself if this happens. It might even leak today  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 7:31:50 GMT -5
I hope it's not In the Heat Of The Moment, that would mean Webbys Cat's track listing is real and I seriously fecking hope it isn't! Only 10 songs one is the already released Freaky Teeth and one is the dullest, least interesting song ever Revolution Song. My moneys on it being The Dying Of The Light, it's safe and Noel knows everyone likes it
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 12, 2014 7:34:33 GMT -5
If we take a step back and think for a second... Tomorrow theres a chance we'll hear new Noel material that we've heard in some form before, demos/soundchecks etc. - and that's pretty exciting. However there's also a chance that whatever we hear tomorrow is completely unheard, unknown and fresh to our ears - I'll find it hard not to wet myself if this happens. It might even leak today THE LEAK IS IMMINENT! But seriously, we might not even hear anything tomorrow. |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 12, 2014 7:39:44 GMT -5
I hope it's not In the Heat Of The Moment, that would mean Webbys Cat's track listing is real and I seriously fecking hope it isn't! Only 10 songs one is the already released Freaky Teeth and one is the dullest, least interesting song ever Revolution Song. My moneys on it being The Dying Of The Light, it's safe and Noel knows everyone likes it It wouldn't mean that at all the guy who mentioned in the heat of the moment was prior to webby cat mention. So if the list is wrong they could've just included ITHOTM as that looks like is genuine |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 7:40:38 GMT -5
Probably, Im finding it confusing to keep up with all these rumours  |
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Post by Gin & Tonic on Oct 12, 2014 7:50:49 GMT -5
Didn't think I'd be that excited for new Noel material after being pretty indifferent to the first album bar a couple of songs. But I'm sitting here like a kid at Christmas time, god damn you Noel you wee scallywag! |
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Post by You're My van der Waal on Oct 12, 2014 8:15:04 GMT -5
I still find it hard to understand how a guitarist can go from playing 5 min solos to hardly playing them at all. The last Noel guitar solo I enjoyed playing was TIOBI, which happened like a decade ago.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Oct 12, 2014 8:15:41 GMT -5
Melody is far more important than rocking. HFB had that in abundance. All I want is quality songs with great melodies, they don't have to be rocking. Essentially, I want pop songs rather than rock songs. This. There are plenty of bands out there that can do good rock songs, but only a handful of songwriters with the melodic qualities that Noel has. Also, how many rock bands/songwriters can do really good rock albums in their 40s or 50s? |
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