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Post by OasisFan199 on Sept 10, 2021 9:15:56 GMT -5
Sounds nice but also boring somehow. Something is missing. No passion no energy. Just my first impression.. I definitely loved this idea when he floated it a couple years back. Richard can really bring it acoustically. I agree that this version is low gear to me. It definitely needs a bit more urgency as it goes along. Where is the burning passion and fire? He needs to do a straight up live acoustic album. Him and a guitar. The bootlegs are better then this. By a mile. |
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Post by OasisFan199 on Sept 10, 2021 9:18:08 GMT -5
I definitely loved this idea when he floated it a couple years back. Richard can really bring it acoustically. I agree that this version is low gear to me. It definitely needs a bit more urgency as it goes along. Where is the burning passion and fire? He needs to do a straight up live acoustic album. Him and a guitar. The bootlegs are better then this. By a mile. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 10, 2021 9:57:20 GMT -5
I definitely loved this idea when he floated it a couple years back. Richard can really bring it acoustically. I agree that this version is low gear to me. It definitely needs a bit more urgency as it goes along. Where is the burning passion and fire? He needs to do a straight up live acoustic album. Him and a guitar. The bootlegs are better then this. By a mile. In my mind I imagined just Richard and an acoustic guitar. This obviously has a lot of production work added to it which is fine I guess. |
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Post by Day Tripper on Sept 10, 2021 10:10:04 GMT -5
Feels weird seeing Kate Radley on an album cover with RA even though they've been together for so long. I still associate her better with Jason Pierce.  |
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 10, 2021 10:38:58 GMT -5
Because what The Verve always really needed was less influence from the band.
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Post by OasisFan199 on Sept 10, 2021 11:17:53 GMT -5
Because what The Verve always really needed was less influence from the band. Ha. I think the next phase of Mad Dick’s career is the early dinner buffet circuit. Swapping headlining with other bands who have a few solid tunes. |
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Post by plaskins1 on Sept 10, 2021 16:59:39 GMT -5
Quite curious how much you will hear Liam on Cmon people. Super excited to hear sonnet, probably my favourite Ashcroft song I hope the Liam collab is good. The drugs don't work used to be a bad karaoke song choice of mine, looking forward to that! |
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Post by glider on Sept 10, 2021 18:20:53 GMT -5
Feels weird seeing Kate Radley on an album cover with RA even though they've been together for so long. I still associate her better with Jason Pierce. Pure Phase might be in the top 5 most underrated albums of 90s - this photo reminded me of it. Hell, Lazer Guided Melodies has a case as well. |
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Post by captainsoul on Sept 18, 2021 8:29:04 GMT -5
Is there more new music on the way? The following piece of information has just been published on Damon Michella's Facebook account. What up? British Grove Studios today with my bros Richard Ashcroft and Steve Sidelnyk doing some music stuff with the main man Chris Potter on the wheels of steel. #NS
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Post by captainsoul on Sept 23, 2021 7:28:26 GMT -5
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 23, 2021 7:34:55 GMT -5
Something symbolic about a hall of empty seats, with only Richard sat there, watching himself on a giant screen.
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Post by captainsoul on Sept 23, 2021 7:43:50 GMT -5
Something symbolic about a hall of empty seats, with only Richard sat there, watching himself on a giant screen. Here there were a few more people:  |
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Post by glider on Sept 23, 2021 16:24:00 GMT -5
"You gotta learn to drop your foolish pride" 🤔
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 28, 2021 1:59:02 GMT -5
Yes it’s cheesy, yes his ego is out of control - but I quite like this.
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Post by Wolf on Sept 28, 2021 3:18:14 GMT -5
It's getting to a point now where I'm starting to not recognise him anymore, and I say this as someone who's favourite band is The Verve.
He treats the legacy of the band with such contempt its laughable. They broke up 3 times for a reason, it was because of him. There is bits of information floating around to say on record he was the catalyst for all of the splits. I believe at one point due to how intense one of the periods of The Verve was, Simon Jones had to go to therapy.
The fact of the matter is ANY Verve record beats his own 100x over. Richard was best when he was part of a group, co-writing with McCabe, rather than this Ed Sheeran type solo career he's embarked on with his record company yes men. If he could see the music and the image he's putting out now back in '93 he would be appalled.
Edit: whilst I'm here I'm going to ask has anyone got an audio rip of the VHS "The Video 96-98" by the Verve?
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Post by Wolf on Sept 28, 2021 3:27:02 GMT -5
Verve hade two great indie albums. And one stone cold classic. Ashcroft’s solo work is just awful. Sure. Each record has a tune or two I like. But the issue is all of his solo songs are 4 chord plodders. They are boring and his lyrics are all sort of referring to his wife or drugs. Again. Boring. And honestly this version of BSS is also…..bland and boring. For a guy who has all kinds of attitude his music is MOR - and poor quality MOR. He needed to find songwriters like Liam. Put out a decent record and tour a hybrid of verve and originals. But his time has passed. And now he rehashes 1 record (really 5 songs) endlessly. Over and over and over. And now he is bragging Liam is on his record. Another desperate attempt to hitch to liam’s renaissance. Two great indie albums - Urban Hymns and A Northern Soul Stone cold classic - A Storm In Heaven 😁 1 great indie album - Urban Hymns 2 stone cold classics - A Northern Soul + A Storm In Heaven |
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Sept 28, 2021 4:26:49 GMT -5
It's getting to a point now where I'm starting to dislike him, and I say this as someone who's favourite band is The Verve. He treats the legacy of the band with such contempt its laughable. They broke up 3 times for a reason, it was because of him. There is bits of information floating around to say on record he was the catalyst for all of the splits. I believe at one point due to how intense one of the periods of The Verve was, Simon Jones had to go to therapy. The fact of the matter is ANY Verve record beats his own 100x over. Richard was best when he was part of a group, co-writing with McCabe, rather than this Ed Sheeran type solo career he's embarked on with his record company yes men. If he could see the music and the image he's putting out now back in '93 he would be appalled. Edit: whilst I'm here I'm going to ask has anyone got an audio rip of the VHS "The Video 96-98" by the Verve? The Video 96-98 was released on DVD as a part of Urban Hymns Deluxe. |
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Post by Wolf on Sept 28, 2021 4:38:15 GMT -5
It's getting to a point now where I'm starting to dislike him, and I say this as someone who's favourite band is The Verve. He treats the legacy of the band with such contempt its laughable. They broke up 3 times for a reason, it was because of him. There is bits of information floating around to say on record he was the catalyst for all of the splits. I believe at one point due to how intense one of the periods of The Verve was, Simon Jones had to go to therapy. The fact of the matter is ANY Verve record beats his own 100x over. Richard was best when he was part of a group, co-writing with McCabe, rather than this Ed Sheeran type solo career he's embarked on with his record company yes men. If he could see the music and the image he's putting out now back in '93 he would be appalled. Edit: whilst I'm here I'm going to ask has anyone got an audio rip of the VHS "The Video 96-98" by the Verve? The Video 96-98 was released on DVD as a part of Urban Hymns Deluxe. I know, I have it, but don't have the facilities to rip it myself to my laptop. There was an audio version floating around years ago with split tracks which is what I'm after. |
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Post by Bellboy on Sept 28, 2021 5:56:17 GMT -5
Verve hade two great indie albums. And one stone cold classic. Ashcroft’s solo work is just awful. Sure. Each record has a tune or two I like. But the issue is all of his solo songs are 4 chord plodders. They are boring and his lyrics are all sort of referring to his wife or drugs. Again. Boring. And honestly this version of BSS is also…..bland and boring. For a guy who has all kinds of attitude his music is MOR - and poor quality MOR. He needed to find songwriters like Liam. Put out a decent record and tour a hybrid of verve and originals. But his time has passed. And now he rehashes 1 record (really 5 songs) endlessly. Over and over and over. And now he is bragging Liam is on his record. Another desperate attempt to hitch to liam’s renaissance. Now you put it that way I actually 100% agree with this. I was just speaking to a mate the other day who is a big fan of Ashcroft and I was saying that the Verve only had 2 great albums but his solo albums are just a bit meh with some forgettable tunes mixed with 1 or 2 bangers. His best solo song is A Song For The Lovers for me. I have however pre-ordered the Amazon gold vinyl version of this new 1. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 28, 2021 6:29:13 GMT -5
It's getting to a point now where I'm starting to dislike him, and I say this as someone who's favourite band is The Verve. He treats the legacy of the band with such contempt its laughable. They broke up 3 times for a reason, it was because of him. There is bits of information floating around to say on record he was the catalyst for all of the splits. I believe at one point due to how intense one of the periods of The Verve was, Simon Jones had to go to therapy. The fact of the matter is ANY Verve record beats his own 100x over. Richard was best when he was part of a group, co-writing with McCabe, rather than this Ed Sheeran type solo career he's embarked on with his record company yes men. If he could see the music and the image he's putting out now back in '93 he would be appalled. Edit: whilst I'm here I'm going to ask has anyone got an audio rip of the VHS "The Video 96-98" by the Verve? If you don’t like it, don’t listen. It’s up to him what music he makes. It’s no secret he’s had his fair share of mental health problems over the years, including a pretty public breakdown, so if he’s happy making this music then all power to him. The Verve’s success was built on Ashcroft’s songs - he doesn’t owe them anything. Was he a nightmare to work with? I don’t doubt it - so maybe that’s partly why he isn’t rushing to reunite. At the end of the day, it’s up to him. Enjoy the stuff you enjoy and don’t bother with the stuff you don’t. |
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Post by Wolf on Sept 28, 2021 6:56:36 GMT -5
It's getting to a point now where I'm starting to dislike him, and I say this as someone who's favourite band is The Verve. He treats the legacy of the band with such contempt its laughable. They broke up 3 times for a reason, it was because of him. There is bits of information floating around to say on record he was the catalyst for all of the splits. I believe at one point due to how intense one of the periods of The Verve was, Simon Jones had to go to therapy. The fact of the matter is ANY Verve record beats his own 100x over. Richard was best when he was part of a group, co-writing with McCabe, rather than this Ed Sheeran type solo career he's embarked on with his record company yes men. If he could see the music and the image he's putting out now back in '93 he would be appalled. Edit: whilst I'm here I'm going to ask has anyone got an audio rip of the VHS "The Video 96-98" by the Verve? If you don’t like it, don’t listen. It’s up to him what music he makes. It’s no secret he’s had his fair share of mental health problems over the years, including a pretty public breakdown, so if he’s happy making this music then all power to him. The Verve’s success was built on Ashcroft’s songs - he doesn’t owe them anything. Was he a nightmare to work with? I don’t doubt it - so maybe that’s partly why he isn’t rushing to reunite. At the end of the day, it’s up to him. Enjoy the stuff you enjoy and don’t bother with the stuff you don’t. The Verve's success was built on them being a band, and putting all their ideas together. Ashcroft had the skeleton for Urban Hymns, but what made it what is, is the band coming together to create a record. Its exactly why he brought McCabe back. If you read the book that comes with the Urban Hymns deluxe edition and read some of the band interviews post third break-up, you come to understand that the narrative that UH was Richard's record is greatly over exaggerated. It was much more of a collaborative effort than we've been told by him, with the band helping with the structure and lyrics of most of the songs. Plus some of the songs from the album were written years before by all of them. I love RA, I'm a fan don't get me wrong, but the way he talks about the other members is almost as if they were session musicians and nothing more. So saying "if you don't like, don't listen" doesn't mean anything. The Verve were a success because of The Verve, not because of Richard alone. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 28, 2021 7:42:11 GMT -5
If you don’t like it, don’t listen. It’s up to him what music he makes. It’s no secret he’s had his fair share of mental health problems over the years, including a pretty public breakdown, so if he’s happy making this music then all power to him. The Verve’s success was built on Ashcroft’s songs - he doesn’t owe them anything. Was he a nightmare to work with? I don’t doubt it - so maybe that’s partly why he isn’t rushing to reunite. At the end of the day, it’s up to him. Enjoy the stuff you enjoy and don’t bother with the stuff you don’t. The Verve's success was built on them being a band, and putting all their ideas together. Ashcroft had the structure for Urban Hymns, but what made it what is, is the band coming together to create a record. Its exactly why he brought McCabe back. If you read the book that comes with the Urban Hymns deluxe edition and read some of the band interviews post third break-up, you come to understand that the narrative that UH was Richard's record is greatly over exaggerated. It was much more of a collaborative effort than we've been told by him, with the band helping with the structure and lyrics of most of the songs. Plus some of the songs from the album were written years before by all of them. I love RA, I'm a fan don't get me wrong, but the way he talks about the other members is almost as if they were session musicians and nothing more. His solo career has proved him wrong. He needed those guys probably more than he ever realized. He isn’t a Noel Gallagher or Paul Weller type to do it alone. |
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Post by glider on Sept 28, 2021 10:57:09 GMT -5
If you don’t like it, don’t listen. It’s up to him what music he makes. It’s no secret he’s had his fair share of mental health problems over the years, including a pretty public breakdown, so if he’s happy making this music then all power to him. The Verve’s success was built on Ashcroft’s songs - he doesn’t owe them anything. Was he a nightmare to work with? I don’t doubt it - so maybe that’s partly why he isn’t rushing to reunite. At the end of the day, it’s up to him. Enjoy the stuff you enjoy and don’t bother with the stuff you don’t. The Verve's success was built on them being a band, and putting all their ideas together. Ashcroft had the skeleton for Urban Hymns, but what made it what is, is the band coming together to create a record. Its exactly why he brought McCabe back. If you read the book that comes with the Urban Hymns deluxe edition and read some of the band interviews post third break-up, you come to understand that the narrative that UH was Richard's record is greatly over exaggerated. It was much more of a collaborative effort than we've been told by him, with the band helping with the structure and lyrics of most of the songs. Plus some of the songs from the album were written years before by all of them. I love RA, I'm a fan don't get me wrong, but the way he talks about the other members is almost as if they were session musicians and nothing more. Not to mention after Youth left, Nick was essentially the producer of the final Urban Hymns product. Chris Potter was a sound engineer/mixer for the Olympic studios sessions. Alot of those songs were drastically different before Nick came back. Lucky Man and Weeping Willow were uptempo acoustics, Bitter Sweet Symphony didn't have the iconic string intro in the beginning until Nick suggested it. This Time originally was far from being trip hop. By all instances Urban Hymns was in development hell until January 1997. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 29, 2021 11:02:41 GMT -5
I loved The Verve - saw them two nights in a row at the start of the Urban Hymns tour and they were magical nights.
But we’re talking about stuff that happened a quarter of a century ago. Ashcroft is 50 now - he’s free to make whatever music he wants to. You don’t have to listen to it (or like him as an individual) if you don’t want to.
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Post by glider on Sept 29, 2021 15:19:55 GMT -5
I loved The Verve - saw them two nights in a row at the start of the Urban Hymns tour and they were magical nights. But we’re talking about stuff that happened a quarter of a century ago. Ashcroft is 50 now - he’s free to make whatever music he wants to. You don’t have to listen to it (or like him as an individual) if you don’t want to. To be fair not many are listening to it to begin with. |
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