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Post by matt on Feb 20, 2022 19:23:08 GMT -5
I recall reading an interview with Nick McCabe recently and he was praising the classic Oasis songs and sound. He referenced how Noel's songs owed debts to various artists but no song had an explicit singular influence (he said the Beatles comparisons are only legit later on). It was familiar but you couldn't pinpoint it - something about Columbia is like that, familiar but very unique (same goes for that entire album tbh).
Heathen Chemistry and latter Oasis suffers from the fact they're just ripping of a direct influence rather than it being their own sound wrapped up in various influences. For example, Force of Nature is directly influenced by a Stooges song (or is it Iggy Pop, I can't remember), and later songs like Waiting For The Rapture are blatantly obvious with the Doors influence (riff not withstanding, it still sounds like The Doors).
Oasis and Noel's other main problem is that he stopped writing pop songs, resorting to dad rock of the 1960s and 1970s rather than anything chart friendly. Pop's always timeless in a way that the dad rock dirge of most latter Oasis albums are not.
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 20, 2022 19:28:17 GMT -5
I recall reading an interview with Nick McCabe recently and he was praising the classic Oasis songs and sound. He referenced how Noel's songs owed debts to various artists but no song had an explicit singular influence (he said the Beatles comparisons are only legit later on). It was familiar but you couldn't pinpoint it - something about Columbia is like that, familiar but very unique (same goes for that entire album tbh). Heathen Chemistry and latter Oasis suffers from the fact they're just ripping of a direct influence rather than it being their own sound wrapped up in various influences. For example, Force of Nature is directly influenced by a Stooges song (or is it Iggy Pop, I can't remember), and later songs like Waiting For The Rapture are blatantly obvious with the Doors influence (riff not withstanding, it still sounds like The Doors). Oasis and Noel's other main problem is that he stopped writing pop songs, resorting to dad rock of the 1960s and 1970s rather than anything chart friendly. Pop's always timeless in a way that the dad rock dirge of most latter Oasis albums are not. That's a great point about him no longer writing pop tunes - The Importance of Being Idle, even with all it's retro influences, is the only post-2000's Oasis tune to capture the fun, freewheeling, pop magnificence of an Underneath the Sky or a She's Electric. And it's by far the best song they ever did with Bonehead being involved, in my opinion. Noel's solo career has benefitted massively from him being able to loosen up and feel like his songs are fun again - What a Life, Holy Mountain, The Death of You and Me all carry that tuneful but playful pop feel, and they're easily the stand-outs of his solo work so far as well. It's a shame the third-album-that-shall-not-be-named just made Noel equate fun with crap for pretty much two decades. |
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Post by megyesitomate on Feb 20, 2022 21:05:42 GMT -5
This album is better than DBTT, by far, though TIOBI is the best song from the two combined albums. I imagine the reason why people prefer DBTT to HC might have been the state of the indie/rock'n'roll music scene at the time...? I wasn't around back then so I'm only guessing but it's interesting that HC is generally considered to be the worst Oasis album with songs like SCYHO, Little by Little and Songbird on it.
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 20, 2022 21:18:51 GMT -5
This album is better than DBTT, by far, though TIOBI is the best song from the two combined albums. I imagine the reason why people prefer DBTT to HC might have been the state of the indie/rock'n'roll music scene at the time...? I wasn't around back then so I'm only guessing but it's interesting that HC is generally considered to be the worst Oasis album with songs like SCYHO, Little by Little and Songbird on it. DBTT is the softest Oasis album, that's the problem with it, there isn't rock on it for better or for worse, it's all mid-tempo plus acoustic ballads, ok some great moments on it but it's all a bit vanilla. HC however is Oasis on automatic pilot. |
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Post by PepsiNebula on Feb 20, 2022 21:24:37 GMT -5
That's a great point about him no longer writing pop tunes - The Importance of Being Idle, even with all it's retro influences, is the only post-2000's Oasis tune to capture the fun, freewheeling, pop magnificence of an Underneath the Sky or a She's Electric. And it's by far the best song they ever did with Bonehead being involved, in my opinion. Noel's solo career has benefitted massively from him being able to loosen up and feel like his songs are fun again - What a Life, Holy Mountain, The Death of You and Me all carry that tuneful but playful pop feel, and they're easily the stand-outs of his solo work so far as well. It's a shame the third-album-that-shall-not-be-named just made Noel equate fun with crap for pretty much two decades. Huh. I like Underneath the Sky, but I can't say it strikes me as notably more pop than the rest of Noel's output during that period. When I think of fun, I think of something a little more lighthearted, which She's Electric is, even though I'd consider it a lesser Oasis song. And I guess Holy Mountain counts, even though I personally can't stand that one, but What a Life doesn't strike me that way at all. Like Underneath the Sky, WAL feels like a sonically heavy, kind of melancholy song (as is almost everything on that album, IMO).
Maybe I'm just not understanding what you mean by pop, but to me the stuff Noel's written since TIOBI that I'd call fun was all on DOYS. Bag It Up is just big fun rock, The Rapture is funny (which Noel rarely lets himself be), and I know High Horse doesn't have a lot of fans here, but IMO the melody has a sense of fun to it that Oasis hadn't had much of since BHN.
I guess I'd also count some of his EP tracks as having that light-hearted feel, but the ones that do mostly go too cheesy for my tastes.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Feb 20, 2022 21:26:30 GMT -5
This album is better than DBTT, by far, though TIOBI is the best song from the two combined albums. I imagine the reason why people prefer DBTT to HC might have been the state of the indie/rock'n'roll music scene at the time...? I wasn't around back then so I'm only guessing but it's interesting that HC is generally considered to be the worst Oasis album with songs like SCYHO, Little by Little and Songbird on it. Agreed on all counts. TIOBI is the best song across the two albums, but it's the only song on DBTT that I ever need to hear again. HC has a full three songs I enjoy, so I have to call it the better album. |
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Post by stuporsonic on Feb 21, 2022 3:59:56 GMT -5
[01] The Hindu Times
[02] Hung In A Bad Place
[03] Little by Little
[04] SYCHO
[05] Born on a Different Cloud
[06] Songbird
[07] You Got The Heart of A Star
[08] Better Man
[09] The Cage
[10] Shout It Out Loud
[11] Force of Nature
[12] Just Getting Older
[13] TYFTGT
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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 21, 2022 8:58:17 GMT -5
It’s hard to put a finger on it but post-2000 albums didn’t sound like Oasis. They lacked those killer hooks and melodies, they sounded like an MOR, generic mish-mash of classic rock. The sum never quite equalled the parts.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 21, 2022 9:01:46 GMT -5
I recall reading an interview with Nick McCabe recently and he was praising the classic Oasis songs and sound. He referenced how Noel's songs owed debts to various artists but no song had an explicit singular influence (he said the Beatles comparisons are only legit later on). It was familiar but you couldn't pinpoint it - something about Columbia is like that, familiar but very unique (same goes for that entire album tbh). Heathen Chemistry and latter Oasis suffers from the fact they're just ripping of a direct influence rather than it being their own sound wrapped up in various influences. For example, Force of Nature is directly influenced by a Stooges song (or is it Iggy Pop, I can't remember), and later songs like Waiting For The Rapture are blatantly obvious with the Doors influence (riff not withstanding, it still sounds like The Doors). 'Force of Nature' doesn't rip off 'Nightclubbing'. It samples the same drum loop. 'Waiting for the Rapture' however absolutely does rips 'Five To One' by The Doors but as I'm sure you're aware Noel has always ripped off artists. I'd say there were clearly more examples during Oasis's early years than at any other time. What Nick might be grasping at it that Oasis had their own unique sound (a mixture of familiar favourites sure) back in the 90's and this was shed for a sound which isn't as identifiably 'Oasis' (Liam's voice withstanding). I think Noel's always been a pop songwriter. A point I made some time back (to which I believe The Escapist agreed with me) is that a sense of 'fun' was lost post Be Here Now. It certainly appears on 'Go Let It Out' and 'TIOBI' (two of the bands best loved songs of the 00's) but is scantily heard elsewhere. Of course a song doesn't have to be 'fun' to be good, I wouldn't classify all of Oasis's 90's songs in that manner, but it neatly fit with Noel's pop songwriting and the attitude of the band. I think po-faced songs don't ring as genuine with a band like Oasis. Could you clarify what you mean by "Dad Rock"? It's a term you use frequently. To me it conjures up a generation of popular music from abt. the mid 60's to the dawn of punk & new wave (abt. 76/77) which has become less fashionable and notably more removed from more contemporary music. Hard rock, glam rock, prog rock, some 60's stuff which has dated less well (etc.). Maybe your definition is different. Which stuff of Oasis's do you think best typifies this term? |
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Post by quantum on Feb 21, 2022 9:28:58 GMT -5
There have been some fantastic posts in this thread, but ultimately it comes down to: Noel was great when he was...- Skint & driven (loads of his good stuff was written before his first big pay out)
- On drugs
- Not happily married (to Sara)
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 21, 2022 10:27:14 GMT -5
HC Era - great songs. album track listing is all wrong, three class songs, Liam sounded good along with a cool af hairstyle.
Only the disappointment of the HC being the plodding album with the wrong set ot album tunes.
Also public interest with Oasis had waned considerable from their heights, normal for all big stars.
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Post by RocketMan on Feb 21, 2022 14:18:13 GMT -5
Its probably the oasis album I listened to the least. Horrible, bland production mixed with some of the worst songs they have written. Hung in a bad place, force of nature, she is love, probably all in the mind, better man. Holy hell.
Only a year earlier the strokes released „is this it“ so it’s pretty shocking how dated oasis sounded already in comparison
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 21, 2022 14:28:01 GMT -5
I've always liked Heathen Chemistry even though it's not their best album. And, as for The Strokes I think that they're a shit band with only a couple of good songs.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Feb 21, 2022 15:15:04 GMT -5
I've always liked Heathen Chemistry even though it's not their best album. And, as for The Strokes I think that they're a shit band with only a couple of good songs. They really were / are terrible. Biggest load of hype in the likes of NME Vs. the biggest disappointment on actually hearing their dreadful records IMO. Don't @ me peeps, if you liked them good luck to you, you found something of value there that I never saw. |
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 21, 2022 16:36:24 GMT -5
The main problem with HC was a combination of lack of energy + lazyness + bad production.
I believe that the songs are there, great singles, it is just that it all needed more colors, the album is just too monochromatic, nothing stands out.
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2022 18:13:12 GMT -5
I recall reading an interview with Nick McCabe recently and he was praising the classic Oasis songs and sound. He referenced how Noel's songs owed debts to various artists but no song had an explicit singular influence (he said the Beatles comparisons are only legit later on). It was familiar but you couldn't pinpoint it - something about Columbia is like that, familiar but very unique (same goes for that entire album tbh). Heathen Chemistry and latter Oasis suffers from the fact they're just ripping of a direct influence rather than it being their own sound wrapped up in various influences. For example, Force of Nature is directly influenced by a Stooges song (or is it Iggy Pop, I can't remember), and later songs like Waiting For The Rapture are blatantly obvious with the Doors influence (riff not withstanding, it still sounds like The Doors). 'Force of Nature' doesn't rip off 'Nightclubbing'. It samples the same drum loop. 'Waiting for the Rapture' however absolutely does rips 'Five To One' by The Doors but as I'm sure you're aware Noel has always ripped off artists. I'd say there were clearly more examples during Oasis's early years than at any other time. What Nick might be grasping at it that Oasis had their own unique sound (a mixture of familiar favourites sure) back in the 90's and this was shed for a sound which isn't as identifiably 'Oasis' (Liam's voice withstanding). I think Noel's always been a pop songwriter. A point I made some time back (to which I believe The Escapist agreed with me) is that a sense of 'fun' was lost post Be Here Now. It certainly appears on 'Go Let It Out' and 'TIOBI' (two of the bands best loved songs of the 00's) but is scantily heard elsewhere. Of course a song doesn't have to be 'fun' to be good, I wouldn't classify all of Oasis's 90's songs in that manner, but it neatly fit with Noel's pop songwriting and the attitude of the band. I think po-faced songs don't ring as genuine with a band like Oasis. Could you clarify what you mean by "Dad Rock"? It's a term you use frequently. To me it conjures up a generation of popular music from abt. the mid 60's to the dawn of punk & new wave (abt. 76/77) which has become less fashionable and notably more removed from more contemporary music. Hard rock, glam rock, prog rock, some 60's stuff which has dated less well (etc.). Maybe your definition is different. Which stuff of Oasis's do you think best typifies this term? Oh ignore me when I say dad rock, it's just a term I throw out without thinking for a lot of old bands that I really don't care about (honestly, of all the 60s bands, I could probably count on one hand the ones I adore). More so for whipping from bands that are old and unfashionable in my opinion (e.g. stuff like glam rock goes over my head like many others). Just a matter of personal opinion of course, but it's also more of a dig at Noel for not being more contemporary and just being stuck in a rut of small group of influences. I think a lot of latter Oasis just apes a particular band or sound too directly, and there's really no evidence of the undefinable spirit that made them great. Occasionally it sparks into life, but it's few and far between. I like Who Built The Moon for it's numerous influences, and there's no song that is the cliched '[ insert generic rock act] meets [ insert generic rock act] snorting coke with aliens on Mars' or whatever nonsense Noel usually spouts when hyping up another mid tempo plodder. It all had various influences in each song. It also has that sense of fun, and faint whiff of ridiculousness that made Oasis great. Pop, fun and melancholy is what best describes Noel's songwriting at its best, I really don't need to hear him write rock at this stage in his career. |
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 21, 2022 18:59:13 GMT -5
I've always liked Heathen Chemistry even though it's not their best album. And, as for The Strokes I think that they're a shit band with only a couple of good songs. They really were / are terrible. Biggest load of hype in the likes of NME Vs. the biggest disappointment on actually hearing their dreadful records IMO. Don't @ me peeps, if you liked them good luck to you, you found something of value there that I never saw. Yeah, The Strokes are/were terrible but I do like Last Night by them and Some Day (I think it's called) are ok. But that's about it. |
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Post by darmin on Feb 21, 2022 23:48:40 GMT -5
I don’t care, I like HC more than DBTT and DOYS, just for 2 singles, SCYHO and Songbird. SCYHO is the 3rd most popular oasis song on Spotify rn and that’s w/o any newish promo or ads or anything (that I’m aware of). That’s something
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Post by RocketMan on Feb 22, 2022 9:02:03 GMT -5
I don’t care, I like HC more than DBTT and DOYS, just for 2 singles, SCYHO and Songbird. SCYHO is the 3rd most popular oasis song on Spotify rn and that’s w/o any newish promo or ads or anything (that I’m aware of). That’s something Stop crying your heart out is fascinating to me. Song gets barely mentioned here if ever, Liam and noel never play it live and i don’t think anyone has ever asked Liam on Twitter if he could play it. Must be the most underrated song by Fans and the Band |
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Post by darmin on Feb 22, 2022 9:16:11 GMT -5
I don’t care, I like HC more than DBTT and DOYS, just for 2 singles, SCYHO and Songbird. SCYHO is the 3rd most popular oasis song on Spotify rn and that’s w/o any newish promo or ads or anything (that I’m aware of). That’s something Stop crying your heart out is fascinating to me. Song gets barely mentioned here if ever, Liam and noel never play it live and i don’t think anyone has ever asked Liam on Twitter if he could play it. Must be the most underrated song by Fans and the Band Actually Noel covered itin 2018 or 2019 but that version wasn’t very good so I understand why you forgot about it. Yeah I don’t know why the fans are so dismissive about SCYHO. Yes it is a bit cheesy but its cheesiness was well hidden in the original, that version is simply exquisite |
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Post by Aman on Feb 22, 2022 9:21:48 GMT -5
I don’t care, I like HC more than DBTT and DOYS, just for 2 singles, SCYHO and Songbird. SCYHO is the 3rd most popular oasis song on Spotify rn and that’s w/o any newish promo or ads or anything (that I’m aware of). That’s something Stop crying your heart out is fascinating to me. Song gets barely mentioned here if ever, Liam and noel never play it live and i don’t think anyone has ever asked Liam on Twitter if he could play it. Must be the most underrated song by Fans and the Band Used to love it in the 2000s but it's funny how opinions change, not been able to stand that song for years now. |
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Post by matt on Feb 22, 2022 9:51:52 GMT -5
I assumed Stop Crying isn’t really mentioned as it goes without saying it’s one of their best post-90s tune. I definitely think it’s one of their greatest from the 2000s. A shame it was on such a dog of an album.
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 22, 2022 10:09:36 GMT -5
I don’t care, I like HC more than DBTT and DOYS, just for 2 singles, SCYHO and Songbird. SCYHO is the 3rd most popular oasis song on Spotify rn and that’s w/o any newish promo or ads or anything (that I’m aware of). That’s something Stop crying your heart out is fascinating to me. Song gets barely mentioned here if ever, Liam and noel never play it live and i don’t think anyone has ever asked Liam on Twitter if he could play it. Must be the most underrated song by Fans and the Band I think some songs are way more popular with casual fans like SCYHO, Lyla and Stand By Me. As for the albums HC and DBTT are both more popular with casual fans I guess while BHN being more popular with the hardcore fanbase. |
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Post by Flashbax on Feb 22, 2022 10:48:14 GMT -5
What album was better reviewed? SOTSOG or HC?
And what about SOTSOG or DOYS?
How would people in the UK rate the Oasis albums? DM & MG obviously #1&2 but then? Here in the Netherlands I think people would say DM & MG. And then probably Little by Little & Lyla.
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Post by jezza2 on Feb 22, 2022 13:28:23 GMT -5
Do we know who leaked the album? I remember hearing it was Alan White.
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