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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 10:13:55 GMT -5
That's not my point ,, and you know this ,,,, they got critisized for stepping out with SOTSOG. they are always critisized for trying anything but the formula , you may wNt that as a guy who loves production and shit , and that's cool ....but it's no coincidence the album that garnered the most praise since morning glory is the one that they truly reverted to formula DBTT. , I'm not saying your wrong , I'm saying if they did what you want they woulda got crushed irregardless , and most fans ...most not you woulda hated it anyway They got crushed anyway for playing it safe with "dad rock". Might as well be creative and push themselves. I remember reading one US review in the late 2000s, "heard one Oasis album, heard'em all." I guess that's my point , for some reason no matter what they can't win .... Like I said your not wrong ,,, they just can't do right it seems |
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Post by manic on Apr 1, 2014 10:15:55 GMT -5
The only problem with what your saying is if they would have been bolder as u say , you may have approved , I may have .... But the critics and WONDERWALL wannabes would cry murder ....why they can't win man Well guess what, Oasis didn't have another Wonderwall in them either way. After 1996, Oasis had no more global tracks. I'd say Don't Go Away had that potential. But they fucked it. |
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Post by allingoodtime on Apr 1, 2014 10:16:45 GMT -5
dont go away is too whiny
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Post by mouth on Apr 1, 2014 10:18:23 GMT -5
heathen chemistry had shittle by shittle. it was bound to be shit.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 1, 2014 10:23:04 GMT -5
Well guess what, Oasis didn't have another Wonderwall in them either way. After 1996, Oasis had no more global tracks. I'd say Don't Go Away had that potential. But they fucked it. It did. It should have been the first US single of Be Here Now. America was craving another Wonderwall. D'You Know What I Mean? got zero airplay. By the time they released Don't Go Away as a radio single in America in October 1997, it was too late. The ship sailed. |
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Post by manic on Apr 1, 2014 10:23:41 GMT -5
dont go away is too whiny On what planet? |
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Post by manic on Apr 1, 2014 10:24:49 GMT -5
I'd say Don't Go Away had that potential. But they fucked it. All of that. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 1, 2014 10:28:07 GMT -5
It did. It should have been the first US single of Be Here Now. America was craving another Wonderwall. D'You Know What I Mean? got zero airplay. By the time they released Don't Go Away as a radio single in America in October 1997, it was too late. The ship sailed. All of that. I would have tackled America much different that Oasis did. Pre Internet, you could tailor your singles by market place. I'd have gone: First single - Don't Go Away in late July 1997
Second single - Stand By Me (edit) in September 1997
Third single - I Hope, I Think I Know in January 1998Oasis really lost their USA beachhead during this era over their choice of singles. |
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Post by matt on Apr 1, 2014 10:39:05 GMT -5
That's not my point ,, and you know this ,,,, they got critisized for stepping out with SOTSOG. they are always critisized for trying anything but the formula , you may wNt that as a guy who loves production and shit , and that's cool ....but it's no coincidence the album that garnered the most praise since morning glory is the one that they truly reverted to formula DBTT. , I'm not saying your wrong , I'm saying if they did what you want they woulda got crushed irregardless , and most fans ...most not you woulda hated it anyway They got crushed anyway for playing it safe with "dad rock". Might as well be creative and push themselves. I remember reading one US review in the late 2000s, "heard one Oasis album, heard'em all." I remember an interview with Noel wondering why people wanted Oasis to move out 'of their comfort zone'. 'I'm in my comfort zone because that is where I'm comfortable' or words to that effect. Yes Noel, but when your comfort zone is worn, torn and soiled with shit, you need to change. And that is what we got with Heathen Chemistry - a soiled mattress. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 10:41:16 GMT -5
I would have tackled America much different that Oasis did. Pre Internet, you could tailor your singles by market place. I'd have gone: First single - Don't Go Away in late July 1997
Second single - Stand By Me (edit) in September 1997
Third single - I Hope, I Think I Know in January 1998Oasis really lost their USA beachhead during this era over their choice of singles. That shoulda been the ticket  |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Apr 1, 2014 11:11:07 GMT -5
Last month i was about to spend 12 hours on a bus and from all Oasis discography i ve chosen heathen chemistry to put on my ipod and really regret it. It's just painful to ears how that album is produced. Few good songs there but didn't stand a test of time.
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Post by beentherenow on Apr 1, 2014 11:15:50 GMT -5
Last month i was about to spend 12 hours on a bus and from all Oasis discography i ve chosen heathen chemistry to put on my ipod and really regret it. It's just painful to ears how that album is produced. Few good songs there but didn't stand a test of time. Ouch, there's a bad decision if ever I heard one Point 1, Whatever drove you to select HC?! If you wanted to be leftfield surely SOTSOG or DBTT would have been better choices? Point 2, Why isn't all of Oasis' back catalogue on your ipod?! Edit; Or point 3, have I read that wrong and you just selected to listen to HC?  |
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Post by allingoodtime on Apr 1, 2014 12:07:07 GMT -5
tbh I dont think i'd listen to any of their albums nowadays..I prefer having my own selection (including live versions).
But HC would be close to the bottom of my list. WTSMG would probably be top.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Apr 1, 2014 12:12:07 GMT -5
Good singles, shit album.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 1, 2014 12:13:59 GMT -5
Good singles, shit album. |
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Post by bardes on Apr 1, 2014 12:54:35 GMT -5
Awesome singles (Songbird!!!) and horrible album tracks.
So... this is weak album.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 1, 2014 12:57:53 GMT -5
I'd call Heathen Chemistry "Oasis's Let It Be" but I don't want to insult that fine album.
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 1, 2014 13:23:15 GMT -5
Great singles but overall a poor bad produced album.
I take this album as Noel pressing the restart button, they had new band members, a new democracy, new songwriters, so Noel wanted to make a back-to-basics album at the time, after all that layering of noises that were both SOTSOG and BHN.
Just take a look at what was the state of rock music in 2002: The Strokes, White Stripes, Vines, Queens of Stone Age..., all bands doing more of a basic rock sound, I think Noel wanted to do this way too.
But above it all, the band needed a real producer, to make the songs shine bright, the majority of songs on it are just mundane and flat, they should have hired someone to be on the desk.
Force of Nature is a pure exemple, the production on it is just monotonous, but a real producer could have made the song better and with more colours.
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Post by Manualex on Apr 1, 2014 13:50:27 GMT -5
Lennon2217 The chorus of Force of Nature have so much enegery that is a shame that the lyrics aren't clever enough... but that could be said of all of the tracks that weren't released as singles from the album.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 1, 2014 13:52:15 GMT -5
Lennon2217 The chorus of Force of Nature have so much enegery that is a shame that the lyrics aren't clever enough... but that could be said of all of the tracks that weren't released as singles from the album. It's outrageous Noel wanted "Force of Nature" as a single. I'm glad the record executives talked him out of that one. I remember in the moment, maybe early summer 2002 he said he only agreed to release "Stop Crying Your Heart Out" as a single because a promise was made to later release "Force of Nature". Thank fuck that didn't happen. |
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Post by Manualex on Apr 1, 2014 13:55:08 GMT -5
Lennon2217 The chorus of Force of Nature have so much enegery that is a shame that the lyrics aren't clever enough... but that could be said of all of the tracks that weren't released as singles from the album. It's outrageous Noel wanted "Force of Nature" as a single. I'm glad the record executives talked him out of that one. I remember in the moment, maybe early summer 2002 he said he only agreed to release "Stop Crying Your Heart Out" as a single because a promise was made to later release "Force of Nature". Thank fuck that didn't happen. Imagine footage of England losing in the world cup with the following: "For smoking all my stash and burning all my cash I bet you knew right away it's all over town that the sun's going down on the days of your easy life." Actually that would make it more hillarious |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 1, 2014 13:57:57 GMT -5
It's outrageous Noel wanted "Force of Nature" as a single. I'm glad the record executives talked him out of that one. I remember in the moment, maybe early summer 2002 he said he only agreed to release "Stop Crying Your Heart Out" as a single because a promise was made to later release "Force of Nature". Thank fuck that didn't happen. Imagine footage of England losing in the world cup with the following: "For smoking all my stash and burning all my cash I bet you knew right away it's all over town that the sun's going down on the days of your easy life." Actually that would make it more hillarious I think Noel even wanted "Force of Nature" to be the lead single off Heathen Chemistry if Liam was able to sing it. Oh man thank you Liam for not nailing that one. Granted I like the vibe and feel of the song despite it being a slight Iggy Pop ripoff but some of the lyrics are shit. See everybody, I can rip Noel too.  |
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Post by scott1 on Apr 1, 2014 14:14:28 GMT -5
It also had a lot to do with the "build them up, knock them down" thing going on in the music business. Noel knew right after Be Here Now started being toured, "now the NME have got it in for us, the slags" - the tables had turned long ago by the time we got Heathen Chemistry. They made a rod for their own backs with two albums that were lapped up by the music press, it was impossible to continue making albums like that - but this was exactly the reason they began being slammed, even though it was completely out of their control. I sometimes wish the music press would've taken a back seat. If they hadn't fed the country opinions on Oasis then their post-'97 albums may have been better received. |
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 1, 2014 14:39:19 GMT -5
Oasis experimented new stuffs on SOTSOG and DOYS, but as some said here, they just can't win, critics will slagged them off in every oportunity, releasing either good or bad records.
You can't ask Oasis to do a Dark Side of The Moon, because it is not their strenghts, Oasis isn't a band to do "an out there" album IMO, they are more like Led Zeppelin, where they could put new stuffs into their sound, but their basic sound still remains the same.
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Post by allingoodtime on Apr 1, 2014 14:42:05 GMT -5
Force of nature wouldn't have been that bad either with good production..theres a good song in there somewhere
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