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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 9, 2014 22:17:39 GMT -5
For me, Born On A Different Cloud is one of my absolute favourite Oasis tunes and sort of carries this album. I was pretty disappointed with Heathen Chemistry when it first came out.....but lately i've been warming up to it more and more. I do appreciate the relatively 'simple' production on it.... BUT the best thing about this album are the LAST 2 TRACKS. Born on a Different Cloud and Better Man are just fooking AMAZING! I could have lived with "Better Man" never have coming out. I like "Born On A Different Cloud" but feel it wasn't recorded right. The scope of that song sonically should have been better executed. I'd have paid top dollar for Spike Stent to run point on that tune fully.  |
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Post by shoes222 on Apr 10, 2014 20:12:08 GMT -5
Looking at this objectively, Better Man is probably B-side material. Like most of Liam's early songs, there just isn't enough going on there. But as others have said, it sounded pretty cool live, so I'm glad it was released in some form.
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Post by dennizz on Apr 11, 2014 2:59:27 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is my least favourite Oasis album, but i still love it to bits because it coincided with my first Oasis gigs in England. The Finsbury Park gigs will always remain my favourite gigs ever, by any band and that makes HC just a little bit better.
The problem i have with that album is the production and the delivery. Little By Little is a great tune but too fucking slow, Hung In A Bad Place lacks passion and Stop Crying Your Heart Out is just too big.
I love Force Of Nature, Songbird and Born On A Different Cloud and as always Noel is a dick for leaving Idler's Dream of.
01 The Hindu Times (demo version)
02 Force Of Nature
03 Songbird
04 Idler's Dream
05 Stop Crying Your Heart Out (acoustic version)
06 Born On A Different Cloud
07 Thank You For The Good Times
08 Probably All In The Mind
09 Little By Little (faster version)
10 Better Man (with extra verse and extended outro full of mad guitars)
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Post by nataliemckinney on Dec 31, 2018 23:32:47 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is still my favorite Christmas album.
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Post by World71R on Jan 1, 2019 2:32:48 GMT -5
I still think this album would've sounded better as a more acoustic-guitar/stripped back EP with some of the standouts sprinkled in there (THT, LBL, SCYHO, BOADC). Give me an EP with those four plus Songbird, Idler's Dream, Heart of a Star (with Liam vox), and you have something good. Then move on to DBTT which had a good crop of songs that could make up a solid, full-length album.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 1, 2019 7:56:07 GMT -5
I think one of the major problems with Heathen Chemistry was Noel wasn't producing the right kind of songs for Liam to sing over and so Liam/Andy/Gem songs had to be included to balance out the vocal duties on the album.
I also don't think it helped that there wasn't a particularly cohesive style amongst the songs and so things were watered down to balance things out.
In my opinion the band should have given it one more year to see if Noel could come up with the goods. 'Record Machine' would have been one of them and that would've been perfect.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 1, 2019 8:38:01 GMT -5
I think one of the major problems with Heathen Chemistry was Noel wasn't producing the right kind of songs for Liam to sing over and so Liam/Andy/Gem songs had to be included to balance out the vocal duties on the album. I also don't think it helped that there wasn't a particularly cohesive style amongst the songs and so things were watered down to balance things out. In my opinion the band should have given it one more year to see if Noel could come up with the goods. 'Record Machine' would have been one of them and that would've been perfect. The problem with that plan is Record Machine turned out just to be average. One of Noel’s most over hyped songs of all time along with Stop The Clocks. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 1, 2019 8:39:15 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is still my favorite Christmas album. Christmas album? I tend to remember albums when they leaked. In this case April 2002. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 1, 2019 8:53:26 GMT -5
I think one of the major problems with Heathen Chemistry was Noel wasn't producing the right kind of songs for Liam to sing over and so Liam/Andy/Gem songs had to be included to balance out the vocal duties on the album. I also don't think it helped that there wasn't a particularly cohesive style amongst the songs and so things were watered down to balance things out. In my opinion the band should have given it one more year to see if Noel could come up with the goods. 'Record Machine' would have been one of them and that would've been perfect. The problem with that plan is Record Machine turned out just to be average. One of Noel’s most over hyped songs of all time along with Stop The Clocks. Personally I think 'Record Machine' and 'Stop the Clocks' are both solid album tracks and hold their own amongst Noel's solo discography - even if they are more of the same. They'd certainly be a significant improvement over much of what was included on Heathen Chemistry. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 1, 2019 9:51:02 GMT -5
The problem with that plan is Record Machine turned out just to be average. One of Noel’s most over hyped songs of all time along with Stop The Clocks. Personally I think 'Record Machine' and 'Stop the Clocks' are both solid album tracks and hold their own amongst Noel's solo discography - even if they are more of the same. They'd certainly be a significant improvement over much of what was included on Heathen Chemistry. Well I definitely agree with that last part but overall they never matched the hype. Noel’s is to blame but so are we for over hyping on this forum. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 1, 2019 10:58:42 GMT -5
Fuck Heathen Chemistry.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 1, 2019 11:07:34 GMT -5
I think one of the major problems with Heathen Chemistry was Noel wasn't producing the right kind of songs for Liam to sing over and so Liam/Andy/Gem songs had to be included to balance out the vocal duties on the album. I also don't think it helped that there wasn't a particularly cohesive style amongst the songs and so things were watered down to balance things out. In my opinion the band should have given it one more year to see if Noel could come up with the goods. 'Record Machine' would have been one of them and that would've been perfect. Interesting observation. I wonder if Noel was seriously considering going solo following the dwindling success of SOTSOG. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 1, 2019 11:31:55 GMT -5
I think one of the major problems with Heathen Chemistry was Noel wasn't producing the right kind of songs for Liam to sing over and so Liam/Andy/Gem songs had to be included to balance out the vocal duties on the album. I also don't think it helped that there wasn't a particularly cohesive style amongst the songs and so things were watered down to balance things out. In my opinion the band should have given it one more year to see if Noel could come up with the goods. 'Record Machine' would have been one of them and that would've been perfect. Interesting observation. I wonder if Noel was seriously considering going solo following the dwindling success of SOTSOG. I always thought the perfect time for a small Noel solo album was right after SOTSOG or even better, late 2003 when HC was over. This would allow Noel to flush out slower non Oasisy type songs and give DBTT perhaps more ammo when the time came. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 1, 2019 12:20:47 GMT -5
I think one of the major problems with Heathen Chemistry was Noel wasn't producing the right kind of songs for Liam to sing over and so Liam/Andy/Gem songs had to be included to balance out the vocal duties on the album. I also don't think it helped that there wasn't a particularly cohesive style amongst the songs and so things were watered down to balance things out. In my opinion the band should have given it one more year to see if Noel could come up with the goods. 'Record Machine' would have been one of them and that would've been perfect. Interesting observation. I wonder if Noel was seriously considering going solo following the dwindling success of SOTSOG. This isn't isolated to 'Heathen Chemistry' either as it carried on over to 'Don't Believe the Truth'. Even worse in fact. Things only started to revert back to the heyday winning formula during 'Dig Out Your Soul' ('Bag It Up', 'The Turning', The Shock of the Lightning', 'Come On Outside'). In 5 years of writing (2000-2005) 4 Noel written songs featured Liam as vocalist were released. In 8 years, 7 songs. Unbelievable! It's a topic which isn't discussed enough in my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 8:31:25 GMT -5
Interesting observation. I wonder if Noel was seriously considering going solo following the dwindling success of SOTSOG. This isn't isolated to 'Heathen Chemistry' either as it carried on over to 'Don't Believe the Truth'. Even worse in fact. Things only started to revert back to the heyday winning formula during 'Dig Out Your Soul' ('Bag It Up', 'The Turning', The Shock of the Lightning', 'Come On Outside'). In 5 years of writing (2000-2005) 4 Noel written songs featured Liam as vocalist were released. In 8 years, 7 songs. Unbelievable! It's a topic which isn't discussed enough in my opinion. After Guigs and Bonehead left fracturing the band... the democratization of the band from 2000 onwards is by far the greatest downfall of the band. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 2, 2019 9:32:53 GMT -5
This isn't isolated to 'Heathen Chemistry' either as it carried on over to 'Don't Believe the Truth'. Even worse in fact. Things only started to revert back to the heyday winning formula during 'Dig Out Your Soul' ('Bag It Up', 'The Turning', The Shock of the Lightning', 'Come On Outside'). In 5 years of writing (2000-2005) 4 Noel written songs featured Liam as vocalist were released. In 8 years, 7 songs. Unbelievable! It's a topic which isn't discussed enough in my opinion. After Guigs and Bonehead left fracturing the band... the democratization of the band from 2000 onwards is by far the greatest downfall of the band. I think Noel lost some confidence in his songwriting abilities after Be Here Now and he saw the loss of Bonehead and Guigsy as more of an opportunity to bring new songwriters onboard than stepping up musically. It wasn't a terrible idea but in hindsight it was probably the wrong decision. Bonehead and Guigsy especially didn't contribute much but what they did inadvertently provide was formulaic stability. |
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Post by nataliemckinney on Jan 2, 2019 14:06:59 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is still my favorite Christmas album. Christmas album? I tend to remember albums when they leaked. In this case April 2002. No, I meant I listen to it at Christmas. Not sure why... but it gets me in the holiday spirit. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 2, 2019 15:02:19 GMT -5
This isn't isolated to 'Heathen Chemistry' either as it carried on over to 'Don't Believe the Truth'. Even worse in fact. Things only started to revert back to the heyday winning formula during 'Dig Out Your Soul' ('Bag It Up', 'The Turning', The Shock of the Lightning', 'Come On Outside'). In 5 years of writing (2000-2005) 4 Noel written songs featured Liam as vocalist were released. In 8 years, 7 songs. Unbelievable! It's a topic which isn't discussed enough in my opinion. After Guigs and Bonehead left fracturing the band... the democratization of the band from 2000 onwards is by far the greatest downfall of the band. The shame of it all is that Noel really didn’t need the help - he had all the songs right there, but once again picked wrong tracklist. It’s actually amazing that Noel’s self doubt is seen through his not trusting in the songs he wrote when he’s very arrogant, and shrewd in pretty much every other area of his life. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 2, 2019 16:33:36 GMT -5
Just read this in Noel's recent MOJO interview. Very relevant to what's been discussed on here recently. It's a very interesting read which agrees with a lot of what has been said on this forum.  |
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 2, 2019 16:50:24 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly about Little By Little, a very good song, but not a great recording.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 2, 2019 17:01:17 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly about Little By Little, a very good song, but not a great recording. I've said it a million times, Oasis needed BADLY a legit producer between 2001 and 2005. So many good songs were wasted with bland, generic production. Noel should not be allowed to run point on anything. He needs supervision. Tough supervision. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 17:59:25 GMT -5
He slags off the only good song on Heathen Chemistry...
Songbird >>> Little By Little.
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Post by Jack on Jan 2, 2019 19:34:27 GMT -5
He's really got it in for Liam now. I remember old interviews from HC and DBTT era, and Noel was proper gushing over Songbird and I'm Outta Time. Now he's just dismissing them as filler tracks.
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Post by underneaththesky on Feb 20, 2022 18:20:01 GMT -5
OH, HC
1. The Hindu Times
2. Better Man
3. The Roller
4. Stop Crying Your Heart Out
5. Songbird
6. Little By Little
7. A Quick Peep
8. All In The Mind
9. Shout It Out Loud
10. Thank You For The Good Times
11. Born On A Different Cloud
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 20, 2022 19:07:56 GMT -5
01) The Hindu Times
02) Force of Nature
03) Little by Little
04) Songbird
05) Stop Crying Your Heart Out
06) Shout it Out Loud
07) The Roller
08) A Quick Peep
09) Just Getting Older
10) Idler's Dream
11) Born on a Different Cloud
All sang by Liam. Produced by Stent. Would have been decent.
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