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Post by jaq515 on Apr 17, 2014 13:21:58 GMT -5
those things and Americans don't get British humor and culture. british humor is really dry and Americans don't really get it. also, americans couldn't understand what the hell Liam ever said, he literally had subtitles in interviews and he needed them. Very much agreed with this statement. Americans don't "get" a lot about British culture, PERIOD. Or any other culture, for that matter, including their own. Americans don't "get" much of anything since most of them are illiterate, lobotomized, and incapable of thinking for themselves. We'll it hasn't stopped Coldplay, Radiohead, Muse or Mumford & Sons from continuing to sell shit loads of albums in America. Not everyone can or will be huge in America. It's all about great timing combined with good songs. But they aren't the characters that Liam and noel were in the 90s. Oasis did whatever they wanted and if America didn't get them them or their antics so be it. They were so big here and were big all around the world it didn't matter if they 'cracked' America. Like I said before oasis were so massively culturally important in the u.k . They sealed their part of history. None of the bands mentioned above can dream of claiming that which is more important than selling records in the u.s |
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Apr 17, 2014 15:09:37 GMT -5
Liam doesn't have much of a sense of humor at all though. In fact, I think the public would let him get away with a lot more if he exhibited even the slightest degree of self-aware humor. I think he has. Pretty sure a lot of other people think he has to. Okay, of course he has *some* sense of humor, but it's far from the famous British wit alluded to in this thread. It's laughable to say America didn't "get" Liam because his sense of humor was too sophisticated. |
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Post by plaskins1 on Apr 17, 2014 19:24:12 GMT -5
On the Liam sense of humor thing. In my opinion he has a great sense of humor - but that's only if you 'get' him. We are all fans and are familiar with his sense of humor. We will enjoy/laugh at his interviews (slagging off other bands etc, I reckon a lot of it is put on because it is expected of him - but atleast he speaks his mind). An outsider could view it differently, as he also comes across as quite serious in his delivery of his humor, which I think people relate with high levels of arrogance. No denying, he has that in abundance too. Oasis, and the Gallagher are marmite, some people just won't allow themselves to listen to them
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 17, 2014 21:25:39 GMT -5
We'll it hasn't stopped Coldplay, Radiohead, Muse or Mumford & Sons from continuing to sell shit loads of albums in America. Not everyone can or will be huge in America. It's all about great timing combined with good songs. But they aren't the characters that Liam and noel were in the 90s. Oasis did whatever they wanted and if America didn't get them them or their antics so be it. They were so big here and were big all around the world it didn't matter if they 'cracked' America. Like I said before oasis were so massively culturally important in the u.k . They sealed their part of history. None of the bands mentioned above can dream of claiming that which is more important than selling records in the u.s Radiohead are more well regarded by music critics and music fans than Oasis ever will be. Not a popular opinion on this forum but it is the truth. They have had 4 classic albums, Oasis 2 and none since 1995. Oasis not sustaining any USA success is rather unfortunate. I bet it bothers Noel. |
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 18, 2014 2:57:51 GMT -5
But they aren't the characters that Liam and noel were in the 90s. Oasis did whatever they wanted and if America didn't get them them or their antics so be it. They were so big here and were big all around the world it didn't matter if they 'cracked' America. Like I said before oasis were so massively culturally important in the u.k . They sealed their part of history. None of the bands mentioned above can dream of claiming that which is more important than selling records in the u.s Radiohead are more well regarded by music critics and music fans than Oasis ever will be. Not a popular opinion on this forum but it is the truth. They have had 4 classic albums, Oasis 2 and none since 1995. Oasis not sustaining any USA success is rather unfortunate. I bet it bothers Noel. I'm not talking about music critics (who cares what they say?) and music fans probably do regard them higher. My point was oasis transcended well past a just band and actually crafted a change of momentum in the uk in the 90s by being themselves. Massive cliche but you always see oasis aren't a band they are a generation banded about and that's true To have that impact on a country and have that spot In history was worth not caring about the u.s for (ie being themselves out there and not pandering to the u.s press) I doubt it does bother him too much I don't think he sits worrying about a 'what could've been' from nearly 20 years ago. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 18, 2014 7:10:43 GMT -5
Radiohead are more well regarded by music critics and music fans than Oasis ever will be. Not a popular opinion on this forum but it is the truth. They have had 4 classic albums, Oasis 2 and none since 1995. Oasis not sustaining any USA success is rather unfortunate. I bet it bothers Noel. I'm not talking about music critics (who cares what they say?) and music fans probably do regard them higher. My point was oasis transcended well past a just band and actually crafted a change of momentum in the uk in the 90s by being themselves. Massive cliche but you always see oasis aren't a band they are a generation banded about and that's true To have that impact on a country and have that spot In history was worth not caring about the u.s for (ie being themselves out there and not pandering to the u.s press) I doubt it does bother him too much I don't think he sits worrying about a 'what could've been' from nearly 20 years ago. We'll i do remember when Noel was doing press for HFB and journalists asking about any regrets with Oasis he mentioned never having a USA #1 and screwing up that late America tour of 1996. Oasis toured the USA heavily in 1994, 1995 and 1996. They were attempting to break it with hopes to keep that footings for years to come. Too much potential money to pass up. Also you think Radiohead aren't being themselves? They didn't play any games either, did less press and had more USA success than Oasis. |
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 18, 2014 10:44:41 GMT -5
I'm not talking about music critics (who cares what they say?) and music fans probably do regard them higher. My point was oasis transcended well past a just band and actually crafted a change of momentum in the uk in the 90s by being themselves. Massive cliche but you always see oasis aren't a band they are a generation banded about and that's true To have that impact on a country and have that spot In history was worth not caring about the u.s for (ie being themselves out there and not pandering to the u.s press) I doubt it does bother him too much I don't think he sits worrying about a 'what could've been' from nearly 20 years ago. We'll i do remember when Noel was doing press for HFB and journalists asking about any regrets with Oasis he mentioned never having a USA #1 and screwing up that late America tour of 1996. Oasis toured the USA heavily in 1994, 1995 and 1996. They were attempting to break it with hopes to keep that footings for years to come. Too much potential money to pass up. Also you think Radiohead aren't being themselves? They didn't play any games either, did less press and had more USA success than Oasis. Yes but worldwide oasis far surpass' radioheads record sales. Success there hasn't equalled as much worldwide commercial success. Normally those things go hand in hand I'm not saying Radiohead not themselves at all but as a whole they aren't very press worthy outside of music. A lot of the press for oasis in 90s even there was about the sex, fighting, drugs etc look at Celebrity death match. Like noel says all bands takes drugs we are just honest about it. I'm sure in middle America in the 90s that wasn't really an appreciated view. I personally think noel is strange to blame the '96 tour when a year later, BHN went to #2 there (which at the time was still an impressive feat for uk artist). Obv the tour did cost them some momentum but If BHN was MG pt2 then that tour be just another chapter in the oasis story and they'd been more successful there. As some else has said the real reason is because BHN wasn't the album the masses wanted there, they wanted wonderwall and champagne supernova again. Anyway have a good Easter. |
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Apr 19, 2014 9:17:51 GMT -5
I'll never understand why so many people on here obsess over sales. I think a lot have hit the nail on the head though in this thread, Beady Eye will never be bigger than what they are because of the general perception of Liam. There's not a lot they can really do to change that.
Whilst it's a bit shit for the band that they never really got a fair crack of the whip, it does work both ways. How many 'new bands' sell out their first tour within hours of going on sale before they'd released an album? The situation with them is what it is but if I was them I'd be looking to maximise what they're good at rather than flogging a dead horse. They keep releasing singles for example which seems a massive waste of everyone's time as they barely trouble the charts, but they're a great live band, concentrate on that instead.
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Post by syed on Apr 20, 2014 13:23:37 GMT -5
I'll never understand why so many people on here obsess over sales. I think a lot have hit the nail on the head though in this thread, Beady Eye will never be bigger than what they are because of the general perception of Liam. There's not a lot they can really do to change that. Whilst it's a bit shit for the band that they never really got a fair crack of the whip, it does work both ways. How many 'new bands' sell out their first tour within hours of going on sale before they'd released an album? The situation with them is what it is but if I was them I'd be looking to maximise what they're good at rather than flogging a dead horse. They keep releasing singles for example which seems a massive waste of everyone's time as they barely trouble the charts, but they're a great live band, concentrate on that instead. 1000fucking% agree. i don't give a crap for sales. if anything, when sales go up the music is generally worse!! occasionally there are xceptions...but whateva. i give a shit about the music..... |
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Apr 20, 2014 21:12:04 GMT -5
I'll never understand why so many people on here obsess over sales. I think a lot have hit the nail on the head though in this thread, Beady Eye will never be bigger than what they are because of the general perception of Liam. There's not a lot they can really do to change that. I agree mostly and certainly don't care about sales, but I still think Liam could easily change the negative perception of him if he publicly reconciled with Noel. The success of Noel's album indicates that a lot of people chose to buy his album but not BE's. If they were on better terms with each other, the public might be less inclined to pick a side. |
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Post by Sternumman on Apr 23, 2014 6:24:10 GMT -5
I personally think noel is strange to blame the '96 tour when a year later, BHN went to #2 there (which at the time was still an impressive feat for uk artist). Obv the tour did cost them some momentum but If BHN was MG pt2 then that tour be just another chapter in the oasis story and they'd been more successful there. As some else has said the real reason is because BHN wasn't the album the masses wanted there, they wanted wonderwall and champagne supernova again. . Number two is impressive but when your previous album sells four million copies topping off at a million in sales is a disappointment |
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Post by Sternumman on Apr 23, 2014 6:27:42 GMT -5
How to fix these and make the third album sell: 1. Improve songwriting. .. If only it was that easy. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 23, 2014 8:28:41 GMT -5
I personally think noel is strange to blame the '96 tour when a year later, BHN went to #2 there (which at the time was still an impressive feat for uk artist). Obv the tour did cost them some momentum but If BHN was MG pt2 then that tour be just another chapter in the oasis story and they'd been more successful there. As some else has said the real reason is because BHN wasn't the album the masses wanted there, they wanted wonderwall and champagne supernova again. . Number two is impressive but when your previous album sells four million copies topping off at a million in sales is a disappointment Good point. Sure #2 looks great but the album sank like a stone in America. It had zero TV or radio success. Yes it sold a million copies but back in 1997 that was considered just ok. They were projected to sell 5 million or more. They also had trouble filling the arenas on their USA tour. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Apr 23, 2014 8:45:34 GMT -5
and a big laugh to the ones saying Americans dont get British Culture.
you probably have a passeport, don't you?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 23, 2014 9:02:29 GMT -5
and a big laugh to the ones saying Americans dont get British Culture. you probably have a passeport, don't you? Oasis not succeeding in America long term has NOTHING to do with not getting British culture. Plenty of UK bands make it over here. At the end of the day it comes down to the quality of music being offered and pray for some good press.  |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 23, 2014 10:53:33 GMT -5
I'll never understand why so many people on here obsess over sales. I think a lot have hit the nail on the head though in this thread, Beady Eye will never be bigger than what they are because of the general perception of Liam. There's not a lot they can really do to change that. I agree mostly and certainly don't care about sales, but I still think Liam could easily change the negative perception of him if he publicly reconciled with Noel. The success of Noel's album indicates that a lot of people chose to buy his album but not BE's. If they were on better terms with each other, the public might be less inclined to pick a side. To publicly reconcile with Noel for the purpose of changing public opinion and record generating record sales would be the worst thing Liam could do. |
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Post by welshylad on Apr 23, 2014 11:10:12 GMT -5
Damn right
The general public are all fucking idiots who have fallen for Noel's bullshit.
Because Liam swears/gets pissed etc and the way he acted in the 90's he gets labeled as the arrogant twat.
People need to wake up and see its Noel who's the dick, but that won't happen.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 23, 2014 11:19:53 GMT -5
Damn right The general public are all fucking idiots who have fallen for Noel's bullshit. Because Liam swears/gets pissed etc and the way he acted in the 90's he gets labeled as the arrogant twat. People need to wake up and see its Noel who's the dick, but that won't happen. Liam still acts like he is in the 90s. |
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Post by Sternumman on Apr 23, 2014 11:36:48 GMT -5
Number two is impressive but when your previous album sells four million copies topping off at a million in sales is a disappointment Good point. Sure #2 looks great but the album sank like a stone in America. It had zero TV or radio success. Yes it sold a million copies but back in 1997 that was considered just ok. They were projected to sell 5 million or more. They also had trouble filling the arenas on their USA tour. DYWIM got fairly good play on MTV and they showed a concert from the tour but the other singles I only remember seeing a few times. I always thought DGA would have been a bigger single over here. I can't remember the venue I saw them in on the BHN tour in Florida but I don't remember it being very full. |
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Post by Sternumman on Apr 23, 2014 11:40:24 GMT -5
Damn right The general public are all fucking idiots who have fallen for Noel's bullshit. Because Liam swears/gets pissed etc and the way he acted in the 90's he gets labeled as the arrogant twat. People need to wake up and see its Noel who's the dick, but that won't happen. Noel may be but he tried to play the game over here doing interviews. When Liam showed up for TRL to promote SOTSOG and acted like a complete buffoon I think that is the lasting impression a lot of Americans have of him. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Apr 23, 2014 12:00:18 GMT -5
Good point. Sure #2 looks great but the album sank like a stone in America. It had zero TV or radio success. Yes it sold a million copies but back in 1997 that was considered just ok. They were projected to sell 5 million or more. They also had trouble filling the arenas on their USA tour. I can't remember the venue I saw them in on the BHN tour in Florida but I don't remember it being very full. I can understand if venue is not full but i will never understand wtf happened here. There is like 200 people in audience and it was 1997 and they were one of the biggest band in the world. |
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 23, 2014 13:10:25 GMT -5
I personally think noel is strange to blame the '96 tour when a year later, BHN went to #2 there (which at the time was still an impressive feat for uk artist). Obv the tour did cost them some momentum but If BHN was MG pt2 then that tour be just another chapter in the oasis story and they'd been more successful there. As some else has said the real reason is because BHN wasn't the album the masses wanted there, they wanted wonderwall and champagne supernova again. . Number two is impressive but when your previous album sells four million copies topping off at a million in sales is a disappointment Number 2 was nearly unheard of for a uk band at that point and much better than MG peak of number 8. My point was that it wasn't the tour that wholly effected them as they did enter that highly. like i said and you are saying the album wasn't good enough / what the u.s wanted so didn't sell well / performed dissapointingly overall |
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 23, 2014 13:14:48 GMT -5
I can't remember the venue I saw them in on the BHN tour in Florida but I don't remember it being very full. I can understand if venue is not full but i will never understand wtf happened here. There is like 200 people in audience and it was 1997 and they were one of the biggest band in the world. obv you expect it to be more full but this is them supporting u2 this isnt one of their gigs |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 23, 2014 13:18:02 GMT -5
Number two is impressive but when your previous album sells four million copies topping off at a million in sales is a disappointment Number 2 was nearly unheard of for a uk band at that point and much better than MG peak of number 8. My point was that it wasn't the tour that wholly effected them as they did enter that highly. like i said and you are saying the album wasn't good enough / what the u.s wanted so didn't sell well / performed dissapointingly overall They got to #2 because of the success of Morning Glory and having the people who bought that continue to explore the band into Be Here Now. Oasis wasn't getting any singles on radio or TV by fall of 1997. They fell swiftly and the pubic sadly moved on. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 23, 2014 13:20:16 GMT -5
Good point. Sure #2 looks great but the album sank like a stone in America. It had zero TV or radio success. Yes it sold a million copies but back in 1997 that was considered just ok. They were projected to sell 5 million or more. They also had trouble filling the arenas on their USA tour. DYWIM got fairly good play on MTV and they showed a concert from the tour but the other singles I only remember seeing a few times. I always thought DGA would have been a bigger single over here. I can't remember the venue I saw them in on the BHN tour in Florida but I don't remember it being very full. I mean MTV played DYKWIM a bunch of times when first released that July but by the time the album came out in late August 1997, it was crickets for Oasis in the radio or TV market place. Don't Go Away was their best chance, released far too late to make a difference. Also the changing climate of American musical tastes impacted not only Oasis but many other bands as well (Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, R.E.M., etc. |
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