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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 15, 2014 8:27:39 GMT -5
You could just say Pretty Green, no need to mention Liam. I don't remember the last time I asked someone where their shirt was from and they mentioned the maker and owner. Also, if you live in America, anytime you mention Liam's name you get a chuckle. They think he's a clown living on past glories.  Pretty Green isn't exactly a household name though hence why I would often mention Liam. Can you imagine what Liam would have said if Noel had initiated Pretty Green instead of Liam? Part of Liam's status as a Rock God was destroyed at time of the arrival of PG I think Nah, Pretty Green has little to do with Beady Eye's lack of success of Liam's legacy. It's all about the music. It hasn't turned on the masses and him hawking scarves and parkas hasn't impacted that. Outside of Oasis fans, who even knows he has a clothing line? |
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Apr 15, 2014 11:35:33 GMT -5
"Aww guys, they just aren't selling, and it hurts my ego! Because any music that I like deserves to be appreciated by the masses! 'Tis is an indicator that I am intuned with this world-- in particular with the rock 'n' roll masses. Those are the people I want to be in with. The cool ones. I want to be like them, with their fleeting dispositions and material warmth. Cause I always want my life to be affirmed by beautiful leeches." |
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 15, 2014 11:44:32 GMT -5
"Aww guys, they just aren't selling, and it hurts my ego! Because any music that I like deserves to be appreciated by the masses! 'Tis is an indicator that I am intuned with this world-- in particular with the rock 'n' roll masses. Those are the people I want to be in with. The cool ones. I want to be like them, with their fleeting dispositions and material warmth. Cause I always want my life to be affirmed by beautiful leeches." I've said several times beady eye should just make the music they want and play the venues that they can fill be it an academy or church hall. Smaller the venue the better for me personally. It does seem some 'fans' take the finances of the band too seriously and worry if they don't make money on tours by playing small venues or sell lots of records which is heart warning to see their concern. I'd let their accountant worry about that and fans just worry about the music. If you don't like the band, the music or Liam that's allowed too isn't it? |
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Post by Jgrp on Apr 15, 2014 12:02:09 GMT -5
The amount of times I hear from public 'ye Noel's Alright but Liam's an idiot'
Definitely to do with it.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Apr 16, 2014 5:33:12 GMT -5
The amount of times I hear from public 'ye Noel's Alright but Liam's an idiot' Definitely to do with it. This is definitely a factor. A couple of theories seem to be doing the rounds these days. The first is that Oasis were a talentless Beatles rip-off band who were more famous for their behaviour than their music, which has aged really badly. The second, from the non-diehard fans, is that Noel was the genius behind everything good about Oasis and Liam is a talentless liability who still thinks it's 1995. And for people asking why BE's sales are important, Liam himself said before it came out (and I think he was being genuine - although I don't think he'd follow through with it) that he'd consider giving up if it flopped, which it has. www.nme.com/news/beady-eye/70071 |
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Post by Jgrp on Apr 16, 2014 6:39:39 GMT -5
And on the short Jools Holland interview before BE came out he said something along the lines of 'ye we need more fans'
'Barking up the wrong tree' definitely takes into account the work with Sitek. So if they did release a 3rd it' could be back to standard guitar music. Which is ashame because I think they need to take what they did with Sitek to a new level.
Dipped their toe instead of diving in springs to mind.
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 16, 2014 6:49:12 GMT -5
Beady eye don't 'need' more fans.
Liam probably does as he's comparing BDI with the popularity/success of oasis (and ultimately Noel).
The level of success is exactly where they are. Lots of bands will never see the success even BDI have had and happy with that or can make a living etc.
If he decides to throw it all in, go off in a mardy then more fool him.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Apr 16, 2014 7:26:01 GMT -5
You've also got to factor in Noel's success and the fact that Liam will hate being seen as a failure by comparison.
Liam was a major part of Oasis's success but too few people acknowledge that and it must really piss him off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 7:31:49 GMT -5
The amount of times I hear from public 'ye Noel's Alright but Liam's an idiot' Definitely to do with it. I literally heard that 10 times while training .......so fucking true |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 16, 2014 8:34:34 GMT -5
You've also got to factor in Noel's success and the fact that Liam will hate being seen as a failure by comparison. Liam was a major part of Oasis's success but too few people acknowledge that and it must really piss him off. A lot of people (Americans) also blame Liam for their fumbling in the USA. Could have had it all but cocaine and boozing got in the way. 1996 was their year and it ended poorly to say the least. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Apr 16, 2014 8:46:30 GMT -5
You've also got to factor in Noel's success and the fact that Liam will hate being seen as a failure by comparison. Liam was a major part of Oasis's success but too few people acknowledge that and it must really piss him off. A lot of people (Americans) also blame Liam for their fumbling in the USA. Could have had it all but cocaine and boozing got in the way. 1996 was their year and it ended poorly to say the least. I always quite liked the fact that Oasis could have been massive in America and they blew it. Liam's antics at that MTV Video Music Awards were so deliberately aimed at annoying people that they were hilarious. Without the element of chaos and unpredictability that Liam brought to Oasis, they would have been far less exciting than they were. Of course, that doesn't mean he wasn't an idiot at times - but without him it wouldn't have been the same. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Apr 16, 2014 8:47:01 GMT -5
You've also got to factor in Noel's success and the fact that Liam will hate being seen as a failure by comparison. Liam was a major part of Oasis's success but too few people acknowledge that and it must really piss him off. A lot of people (Americans) also blame Liam for their fumbling in the USA. Could have had it all but cocaine and boozing got in the way. 1996 was their year and it ended poorly to say the least. I always quite liked the fact that Oasis could have been massive in America and they blew it. Liam's antics at that MTV Video Music Awards were so deliberately aimed at annoying people that they were hilarious. Without the element of chaos that Liam brought to Oasis, they would have been far less exciting than they were. Of course, that doesn't mean he wasn't an idiot at times - but without his unpredictability it wouldn't have been the same. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 16, 2014 8:48:42 GMT -5
A lot of people (Americans) also blame Liam for their fumbling in the USA. Could have had it all but cocaine and boozing got in the way. 1996 was their year and it ended poorly to say the least. Liam's antics at that MTV Video Music Awards were so deliberately aimed at annoying people that they were hilarious. Without the element of chaos and unpredictability that Liam brought to Oasis, they would have been far less exciting than they were. Of course, that doesn't mean he wasn't an idiot at times - but without him it wouldn't have been the same. I could not disagree more. Oasis' legacy in America is that of a punch line to a joke. I wish they were remembered more for the great music and not the dust up and walk outs. They deserved better, we deserved more. |
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 16, 2014 9:04:58 GMT -5
Without a shadow of a doubt if not because of 90s Liam oasis would not have even 1/10 of big as they became.
Noel being main song writer or not for majority of of people oasis was about Liam in those early years
As for America personally don't think they were ever overly fussed on cracking or making impact out there (except obv financially)
They've never really had to much positive to say about u.s culture where in uk they basically changed the uk culture.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 16, 2014 9:18:47 GMT -5
Without a shadow of a doubt if not because of 90s Liam oasis would not have even 1/10 of big as they became. Noel being main song writer or not for majority of of people oasis was about Liam in those early years As for America personally don't think they were ever overly fussed on cracking or making impact out there (except obv financially) They've never really had to much positive to say about u.s culture where in uk they basically changed the uk culture. Well Noel always looks back to those August-September 1996 incidents with regret. He knows they blew their shot at consistent USA stardom potentially. Even their single selection for BHN doomed them for ever getting a #1 album. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Apr 16, 2014 9:21:52 GMT -5
I always quite liked the fact that Oasis could have been massive in America and they blew it. Liam's antics at that MTV Video Music Awards were so deliberately aimed at annoying people that they were hilarious. Without the element of chaos and unpredictability that Liam brought to Oasis, they would have been far less exciting than they were. Of course, that doesn't mean he wasn't an idiot at times - but without him it wouldn't have been the same. I could not disagree more. Oasis' legacy in America is that of a punch line to a joke. I wish they were remembered more for the great music and not the dust up and walk outs. They deserved better, we deserved more. You're right, that's a pity. I went to college over there for a bit in late 94 and a couple of the American guys I knew had heard Live Forever on college radio and were into them. Trouble is they became massive in the US on the back of one song - Wonderwall - so people were always likely to see them as a Beatles-copying flash in the pan, whereas here they were already massive when that came out. I guess the walkout in '96 killed things for them, but even Noel has since admitted it was a tour too far. The thing is, even here Oasis have become a bit of a punchline - it's almost as though people are embarrassed that they bought Morning Glory or went to Knebworth. Bandwagon-jumping fuckers. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Apr 16, 2014 9:40:56 GMT -5
you can see the ignorance in people when they compare Oasis to The Beatles. you laugh at them and they go completely nuts. specially with the heavy metal dudes. FACT.
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Apr 16, 2014 10:32:46 GMT -5
Oasis at their height were as popular as any band in America. you couldn't avoid hearing Oasis songs during 1996 and that's some of the problem, people tired of them.
that, and Be Here Now isn't that great....it's good but not great. i remember buying Be Here Now and thinking, "this is really good but it's not in the same galaxy as Definitely Maybe or (What's the Story) Morning Glory?.
those things and Americans don't get British humor and culture. british humor is really dry and Americans don't really get it. also, americans couldn't understand what the hell Liam ever said, he literally had subtitles in interviews and he needed them.
Thanks.
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Post by sickbhoy on Apr 16, 2014 13:09:45 GMT -5
The Beady Eye gigs are among some of the best I've been to, I love 'em, I wouldn't consider them a failure at all. Though album wise I prefer Noel's but gig wise prefer Beady eye's
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Post by cigarsinhell on Apr 17, 2014 0:14:05 GMT -5
those things and Americans don't get British humor and culture. british humor is really dry and Americans don't really get it. also, americans couldn't understand what the hell Liam ever said, he literally had subtitles in interviews and he needed them.
Very much agreed with this statement. Americans don't "get" a lot about British culture, PERIOD. Or any other culture, for that matter, including their own. Americans don't "get" much of anything since most of them are illiterate, lobotomized, and incapable of thinking for themselves.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Apr 17, 2014 4:03:43 GMT -5
those things and Americans don't get British humor and culture. british humor is really dry and Americans don't really get it. also, americans couldn't understand what the hell Liam ever said, he literally had subtitles in interviews and he needed them. Very much agreed with this statement. Americans don't "get" a lot about British culture, PERIOD. Or any other culture, for that matter, including their own. Americans don't "get" much of anything since most of them are illiterate, lobotomized, and incapable of thinking for themselves. Huge generalisation and some way off the mark. A lot of Americans I've met are smart, switched on and 'get' the British sense of humour. The trouble is that with such a huge country you're always going to get a lot of inward-looking people. I was amazed at the number who hadn't been out of their own state, let alone have a passport! Goes without saying that all the North Americans on here are wonderful human beings. |
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Apr 17, 2014 10:26:45 GMT -5
those things and Americans don't get British humor and culture. british humor is really dry and Americans don't really get it. also, americans couldn't understand what the hell Liam ever said, he literally had subtitles in interviews and he needed them. Very much agreed with this statement. Americans don't "get" a lot about British culture, PERIOD. Or any other culture, for that matter, including their own. Americans don't "get" much of anything since most of them are illiterate, lobotomized, and incapable of thinking for themselves. Liam doesn't have much of a sense of humor at all though. In fact, I think the public would let him get away with a lot more if he exhibited even the slightest degree of self-aware humor. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Apr 17, 2014 10:48:54 GMT -5
those things and Americans don't get British humor and culture. british humor is really dry and Americans don't really get it. also, americans couldn't understand what the hell Liam ever said, he literally had subtitles in interviews and he needed them. Very much agreed with this statement. Americans don't "get" a lot about British culture, PERIOD. Or any other culture, for that matter, including their own. Americans don't "get" much of anything since most of them are illiterate, lobotomized, and incapable of thinking for themselves. I think this describes most of the world, but Americans are just fatter. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 17, 2014 12:53:18 GMT -5
those things and Americans don't get British humor and culture. british humor is really dry and Americans don't really get it. also, americans couldn't understand what the hell Liam ever said, he literally had subtitles in interviews and he needed them. Very much agreed with this statement. Americans don't "get" a lot about British culture, PERIOD. Or any other culture, for that matter, including their own. Americans don't "get" much of anything since most of them are illiterate, lobotomized, and incapable of thinking for themselves. We'll it hasn't stopped Coldplay, Radiohead, Muse or Mumford & Sons from continuing to sell shit loads of albums in America. Not everyone can or will be huge in America. It's all about great timing combined with good songs. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 17, 2014 13:21:04 GMT -5
those things and Americans don't get British humor and culture. british humor is really dry and Americans don't really get it. also, americans couldn't understand what the hell Liam ever said, he literally had subtitles in interviews and he needed them. Very much agreed with this statement. Americans don't "get" a lot about British culture, PERIOD. Or any other culture, for that matter, including their own. Americans don't "get" much of anything since most of them are illiterate, lobotomized, and incapable of thinking for themselves. . In fact, I think the public would let him get away with a lot more if he exhibited even the slightest degree of self-aware humor. I think he has. Pretty sure a lot of other people think he has to. |
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