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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 6, 2014 22:17:59 GMT -5
I agree with you. One of my biggest knocks on Noel is he always plays it safe. He dumped the Death In Vegas sessions, he abandoned the AA sessions. Those are the projects I wanted to hear the most! I only disagree with you over Beady Eye seemingly not caring about making music for radio or tv. This is Liam Gallagher. The man lives to be #1 and hasn't since Noel walked out in August 2009. He wants a radio hit, the band wants it.....the fans want it like us. It'll breathe more life and interest into the band which IMO they may need. I think if all three collaborate on 1 song with a good producer they can achieve that hit. Just 1 hit and anyone who wasn't aware of Beady Eye will checkout their other music and see they have a few gems amongst their albums. But they have to put a bit of work into it and chuck out a lot of money to promote it properly. It needs a proper video, it needs radio play on every relevant radio station. It needs a lot of interviews, and a lot of performances. And most importantly, no leak! I think FOTF would have done similar to The Roller had it not leaked so early. People lost interest in the stems and that whole campaign. One thing I like that they did for BE were the free performances. They should do a few of those in a couple different countries. Just play a handful of tunes, plus their hit single in highly traffic places that would draw a crowd other than those who had intended to arrive. Imagine a set in times square. I only disagree with you regarding the leaks as being one of the things that impacted "BE". All songs and albums leak. It hasn't stopped other artists from achieving fortune and fame. That's a weak excuse. Sure FOTF leaked, but only people on this forum who bothered to seek out the leak would have it spoiled. The casual listeners, fan, brit pop dinosaur had no idea it leaked on this forum. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 6, 2014 22:24:53 GMT -5
I think if all three collaborate on 1 song with a good producer they can achieve that hit. Just 1 hit and anyone who wasn't aware of Beady Eye will checkout their other music and see they have a few gems amongst their albums. But they have to put a bit of work into it and chuck out a lot of money to promote it properly. It needs a proper video, it needs radio play on every relevant radio station. It needs a lot of interviews, and a lot of performances. And most importantly, no leak! I think FOTF would have done similar to The Roller had it not leaked so early. People lost interest in the stems and that whole campaign. One thing I like that they did for BE were the free performances. They should do a few of those in a couple different countries. Just play a handful of tunes, plus their hit single in highly traffic places that would draw a crowd other than those who had intended to arrive. Imagine a set in times square. I only disagree with you regarding the leaks as being one of the things that impacted "BE". All songs and albums leak. It hasn't stopped other artists from achieving fortune and fame. That's a weak excuse. Sure FOTF leaked, but only people on this forum who bothered to seek out the leak would have it spoiled. The casual listeners, fan, brit pop dinosaur had no idea it leaked on this forum. I suppose. Although, somehow I found out about it, but was not apart of any Oasis forum at the time. I can't recall how. Maybe I visited the latest news on stopcryingyourheartout. However, I wasn't referring to BE, but rather FOTF as a promotional single, which I think charted somewhere, even with it having been leaked some time prior to release. I was thinking if it had been released properly, with the stems and then with the official video for the actual song, it would have gotten more hits. |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 7, 2014 0:32:41 GMT -5
I think if all three collaborate on 1 song with a good producer they can achieve that hit. Just 1 hit and anyone who wasn't aware of Beady Eye will checkout their other music and see they have a few gems amongst their albums. But they have to put a bit of work into it and chuck out a lot of money to promote it properly. It needs a proper video, it needs radio play on every relevant radio station. It needs a lot of interviews, and a lot of performances. And most importantly, no leak! I think FOTF would have done similar to The Roller had it not leaked so early. People lost interest in the stems and that whole campaign. One thing I like that they did for BE were the free performances. They should do a few of those in a couple different countries. Just play a handful of tunes, plus their hit single in highly traffic places that would draw a crowd other than those who had intended to arrive. Imagine a set in times square. I only disagree with you regarding the leaks as being one of the things that impacted "BE". All songs and albums leak. It hasn't stopped other artists from achieving fortune and fame. That's a weak excuse. Sure FOTF leaked, but only people on this forum who bothered to seek out the leak would have it spoiled. The casual listeners, fan, brit pop dinosaur had no idea it leaked on this forum. I agree If FOTF had been going to be a genuine hit leaking a week early wouldn't have changed that. The sign of a hit IMO is being able to generate it's own hype and maintaining popularity past the initial promotional push. That being said the leak did kind of ruin to build up to the stems business. Although I'm not sure how many non-diehards were aware of that promotional effort. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2014 1:01:16 GMT -5
I only disagree with you regarding the leaks as being one of the things that impacted "BE". All songs and albums leak. It hasn't stopped other artists from achieving fortune and fame. That's a weak excuse. Sure FOTF leaked, but only people on this forum who bothered to seek out the leak would have it spoiled. The casual listeners, fan, brit pop dinosaur had no idea it leaked on this forum. I agree If FOTF had been going to be a genuine hit leaking a week early wouldn't have changed that. The sign of a hit IMO is being able to generate it's own hype and maintaining popularity past the initial promotional push. That being said the leak did kind of ruin to build up to the stems business. Although I'm not sure how many non-diehards were aware of that promotional effort. Scott Rodgers who also manages Arcade Fire had to deal with a massive leak for AF's 9.9 promotion of releasing their single Reflektor. The plan was for it to come out September 9th at 9 PM. They had tv adverts, giant ads in major cities, etc. Well it leaked 2 days prior all over the internet. That didn't stop Arcade Fire from getting massive exposure and praise. That's why I hate the "leak" excuse. Same management. Same leak. Different results. |
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Post by shinealight on Mar 7, 2014 5:01:53 GMT -5
Flick of the finger might have made to to higher league If their management did their job properly. As far as I remember there was quite an excitement when the album was about to be released, just needed things to be put in the order. Like someone said, make a proper video... don' t release any misleading statements. I could do a better job If Beady Eye hired me and payed my bills for internet. There are certain things u can' t affect (Gems accident) and certain things u can affect and their management have failed there. IMO leak is not any problem, or not to that extend that would do serious harm as sales charts are irrelevant these days and wants to buy the album will buy the album anyway. After all, I play BE regularly and it is more enjoyable record that NGHFB vol1 so...the sooner we get the third album the better. last point, don' t wanna Liam to do vocals for other artists cause I like him being in the band and reckon he' s more into band that som bloody collaborations with dickheads who would just use him to promote their albums. Because Liam on his good day is still the best singer out there...  |
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Post by space75gr on Mar 7, 2014 5:18:43 GMT -5
I agree If FOTF had been going to be a genuine hit leaking a week early wouldn't have changed that. The sign of a hit IMO is being able to generate it's own hype and maintaining popularity past the initial promotional push. That being said the leak did kind of ruin to build up to the stems business. Although I'm not sure how many non-diehards were aware of that promotional effort. Scott Rodgers who also manages Arcade Fire had to deal with a massive leak for AF's 9.9 promotion of releasing their single Reflektor. The plan was for it to come out September 9th at 9 PM. They had tv adverts, giant ads in major cities, etc. Well it leaked 2 days prior all over the internet. That didn't stop Arcade Fire from getting massive exposure and praise. That's why I hate the "leak" excuse. Same management. Same leak. Different results. the plans with FOTF were totally different. First the campaign with the stems , then soemthing unofficial that sounds close to the studio verion and a lot mixes from Beady Eye fans, then the studio version and a video of that GREAT track.excitement in full and a clever campaign to build momentum around one of their greatest-(the greatest?) songs.even non beady eye fans and definitely the press would like/love that thing.clever, modern, different.half of the job could be done with that move. we finally got a leak from an small radio station without promo, acually promo destroyed , nobody noticed , an amateur video followed too late and we all know the story ... at least in UK if things were right i believe that the luck of BE and FOTF could be totally different in the charts btw, to compare FOTF release with the most anticipated release of the year (arcade fire) seems not quite right.totally different case plus BE tried to make people notice, AF had all the eyes and eyers of the world around them. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Mar 7, 2014 5:29:19 GMT -5
They jumped the shark with that stupid shark video.
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Post by shinealight on Mar 7, 2014 5:34:10 GMT -5
this doesn' t belong here but fucking don' t know why all the fuss about Arcade Fire...they are horrible
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Post by deasy on Mar 7, 2014 5:47:05 GMT -5
this doesn' t belong here but fucking don' t know why all the fuss about Arcade Fire...they are horrible  |
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Post by WirralRiddler on Mar 7, 2014 5:58:58 GMT -5
btw, to compare FOTF release with the most anticipated release of the year (arcade fire) seems not quite right.totally different case plus BE tried to make people notice, AF had all the eyes and eyers of the world around them. Haha, thats got to be the funniest thing I've read so far today, nice one.   |
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Post by space75gr on Mar 7, 2014 9:13:37 GMT -5
btw, to compare FOTF release with the most anticipated release of the year (arcade fire) seems not quite right.totally different case plus BE tried to make people notice, AF had all the eyes and eyers of the world around them. Haha, thats got to be the funniest thing I've read so far today, nice one. can you suggest something else? [its not about what i/we like (btw, mine was definitely BE)] |
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Post by alcohollemonhaze on Mar 7, 2014 9:48:31 GMT -5
Haha, thats got to be the funniest thing I've read so far today, nice one. can you suggest something else? [its not about what i/we like (btw, mine was definitely BE)] I think he meant that he liked your post. It is quite funny that people compare the attention of an overrated album to an overlooked one. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2014 10:20:09 GMT -5
Scott Rodgers who also manages Arcade Fire had to deal with a massive leak for AF's 9.9 promotion of releasing their single Reflektor. The plan was for it to come out September 9th at 9 PM. They had tv adverts, giant ads in major cities, etc. Well it leaked 2 days prior all over the internet. That didn't stop Arcade Fire from getting massive exposure and praise. That's why I hate the "leak" excuse. Same management. Same leak. Different results. the plans with FOTF were totally different. First the campaign with the stems , then soemthing unofficial that sounds close to the studio verion and a lot mixes from Beady Eye fans, then the studio version and a video of that GREAT track.excitement in full and a clever campaign to build momentum around one of their greatest-(the greatest?) songs.even non beady eye fans and definitely the press would like/love that thing.clever, modern, different.half of the job could be done with that move. we finally got a leak from an small radio station without promo, acually promo destroyed , nobody noticed , an amateur video followed too late and we all know the story ... at least in UK if things were right i believe that the luck of BE and FOTF could be totally different in the charts btw, to compare FOTF release with the most anticipated release of the year (arcade fire) seems not quite right.totally different case plus BE tried to make people notice, AF had all the eyes and eyers of the world around them. I only related the two bands because they shared the same management (Scott Rodgers) and to make a point how millions can be spent on a promotional campaign only to have it ruined by the eventual leak. It shouldn't be blamed by any camp as a reason a single or album didn't succeed. Also, I've mentioned this last April or May when FOTF came out but the stems ideas isn't new. It was done by Radiohead in 2007 to promote their singles "Nude" and "Reckoner". I believe Beck also did it several years back. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2014 10:26:43 GMT -5
this doesn' t belong here but fucking don' t know why all the fuss about Arcade Fire...they are horrible Guess you've never listened or seen them perform. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 7, 2014 11:39:57 GMT -5
What comes first, the new Star Wars movie or Beady Eye #3? I know which one I'm actually looking forward to... |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2014 11:44:52 GMT -5
What comes first, the new Star Wars movie or Beady Eye #3? I know which one I'm actually looking forward to... I wouldn't mind a Beady Eye EP this summer. That is definitely a long shot considering the turmoil going on right now but it would be nice. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 7, 2014 12:06:44 GMT -5
Feel free to go through my post history. You will find none of this. Good night young Liam. What is with forum members lately accusing other members of posts that never happened. I got nailed with that the other day, naturally no backing statements were ever produced.............because they don't exist!  Sifting through your posts isn't at the top of my list of things to do tbh. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2014 12:10:58 GMT -5
What is with forum members lately accusing other members of posts that never happened. I got nailed with that the other day, naturally no backing statements were ever produced.............because they don't exist! Sifting through your posts isn't at the top of my list of things to do tbh. Well remember you started this by calling me out for always taking a pop at Beady Eye when the chips are down. I called you out on it to produce evidence, not just cherry pick potential posts here and there. I'm balanced on both Gallaghers. Other members have rallied behind that. Now you back down because you know you are in the wrong on this topic. Deflect all you want. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 7, 2014 12:12:55 GMT -5
People on here who blab on about commercial success and bumming the high flying birds because of your closet hate for LG let me tell you something. The buzz i get from a Beady Eye album leaking is exactly the same as with Oasis. I didnt feel that with the High Flying Birds. You know why? Because there is something great about hearing LG on something new. Something great about not knowing what direction each song is going in. Something great about uncovering another LG gem like Evil Eye. As much as i love Noel and his debut, i feel like i know exactly what im going to get from his new album. Polished tunes, catchy hooks, a few choirs. It lacks the balls of Beady Eye. It's a formula designed to get a song or two on the radio or on 4 or 5 tv adverts to shift a million albums. It isn't a formula designed for the fans. That is why i want another Beady Eye album. Fuck you haters Believe you me.........Beady Eye are/were desperate to get a song on the radio or tv. Liam spoke of it often between DGSS and BE. They fucking need it too. Do you think that Beady Eye live in bubble somewhere where none of them are in touch with reality. Do you think there is no appreciation of how they are perceived or what there chances of success are? Its amazing how people point things out on here like none of the band could have possibly considered it for themselves. Would they like a hit? Yeah I'm sure they would. Are they desperate for it? I'm not so sure, Liam's outbursts from time to time seem to blank from peoples memories just how much they have enjoyed playing and recording together. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2014 12:15:56 GMT -5
Believe you me.........Beady Eye are/were desperate to get a song on the radio or tv. Liam spoke of it often between DGSS and BE. They fucking need it too. Do you think that Beady Eye live in bubble somewhere where none of them are in touch with reality. Do you think there is no appreciation of how they are perceived or what there chances of success are? Its amazing how people point things out on here like none of the band could have possibly considered it for themselves. Would they like a hit? Yeah I'm sure they would. Are they desperate for it? I'm not so sure, Liam's outbursts from time to time seem to blank from peoples memories just how much they have enjoyed playing and recording together. Tom.......as usual........you missed my point. The OP said that Beady Eye doesn't care about that kind of stuff like Noel does. I disagree completely with that. We know the band wanted some chart success on this go around. They talked about it after DGSS and leading up to BE. All I'm saying is they both want success and relevancy. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 7, 2014 12:18:10 GMT -5
Sifting through your posts isn't at the top of my list of things to do tbh. Well remember you started this by calling me out for always taking a pop at Beady Eye when the chips are down. I called you out on it to produce evidence, not just cherry pick potential posts here and there. I'm balanced on both Gallaghers. Other members have rallied behind that. Now you back down because you know you are in the wrong on this topic. Deflect all you want. Chips are down? What? I get an idea of what you think from your posts and to me that's how you come across. In the same way someone said I love BE to death, I don't but that's the impression they get from my posts. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2014 12:21:13 GMT -5
Well remember you started this by calling me out for always taking a pop at Beady Eye when the chips are down. I called you out on it to produce evidence, not just cherry pick potential posts here and there. I'm balanced on both Gallaghers. Other members have rallied behind that. Now you back down because you know you are in the wrong on this topic. Deflect all you want. Chips are down? What? I get an idea of what you think from your posts and to me that's how you come across. In the same way someone said I love BE to death, I don't but that's the impression they get from my posts. You said I only come around and post negatively on Beady Eye when things are going poorly for the band. I assumed you meant with Beady Eye firing their manager, canceling on Coachella and having an album not sell. Pardon the expression "chips are down". That kinda works in this case no? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 7, 2014 12:21:19 GMT -5
Do you think that Beady Eye live in bubble somewhere where none of them are in touch with reality. Do you think there is no appreciation of how they are perceived or what there chances of success are? Its amazing how people point things out on here like none of the band could have possibly considered it for themselves. Would they like a hit? Yeah I'm sure they would. Are they desperate for it? I'm not so sure, Liam's outbursts from time to time seem to blank from peoples memories just how much they have enjoyed playing and recording together. Tom.......as usual........you missed my point. The OP said that Beady Eye doesn't care about that kind of stuff like Noel does. I disagree completely with that. We know the band wanted some chart success on this go around. They talked about it after DGSS and leading up to BE. All I'm saying is they both want success and relevancy. I disagree but not completely with whoever said that. In any case there is always to much talk of commercial success. Someone described BE's album or something as their 'product' that makes me feel ill. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 7, 2014 12:23:52 GMT -5
Chips are down? What? I get an idea of what you think from your posts and to me that's how you come across. In the same way someone said I love BE to death, I don't but that's the impression they get from my posts. You said I only come around and post negatively on Beady Eye when things are going poorly for the band. I assumed you meant with Beady Eye firing their manager, canceling on Coachella and having an album not sell. Pardon the expression "chips are down". That kinda works in this case no? I believe the statement contained 'for reasons outside their control' which makes me think that the parting of ways could have been over a monumental cock up over Coachella. But of course no waited for word on it they just got stuck into them straight away. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2014 12:25:53 GMT -5
You said I only come around and post negatively on Beady Eye when things are going poorly for the band. I assumed you meant with Beady Eye firing their manager, canceling on Coachella and having an album not sell. Pardon the expression "chips are down". That kinda works in this case no? I believe the statement contained 'for reasons outside their control' which makes me think that the parting of ways could have been over a monumental cock up over Coachella. But of course no waited for word on it they just got stuck into them straight away. I just said cancel, I have no idea what the reason was nor do I care. It is just a double combo of crappy things to happen to the band at a similar time. Loss of management, a Coachella trip that a couple of forum members were attending and dropping serious cash on. |
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