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Post by scott1 on Aug 20, 2013 14:10:31 GMT -5
Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants gets its fair share of criticism, but not enough people give it a chance. The production is top notch, and there are some great tunes:
-Go Let It Out! has the most addictive intro when the guitar jumps in over the drumming, and is a good all-rounder. -Who Feels Love? is one of their better slower tunes. -Gas Panic! has a brilliant progressive feel and the production on it is excellent. -I Can See A Liar is as close to Headshrinker as you're going to get.
This record allowed Oasis to continue making music, as it was the change in direction they needed. I can assure you that they wouldn't have reached 2009 if they'd continued in their 90's vein because they were spent after making three records so similar, as Be Here Now showed. I wouldn't quite give it the title of the record that saved Oasis but it certainly opened the door for the following albums.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 20, 2013 14:33:02 GMT -5
SOTSOG is a brillant record (with some brillant bsides too like LAMB and One Way Road),Who feels love,WDIAGW?,Go let it out,Gas Panic,Roll it over,FITB,all great songs,it's a shame that general public doesn't give it a chance
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Post by Pat Butcher on Aug 20, 2013 14:42:43 GMT -5
Personally only my 6th favourite Oasis album, only worsened by the deplorable DOYS.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Aug 20, 2013 14:47:04 GMT -5
Personally only my 6th favourite Oasis album, only worsened by the deplorable DOYS. You think Heathen chemistry is better
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Post by Pat Butcher on Aug 20, 2013 14:49:12 GMT -5
Personally only my 6th favourite Oasis album, only worsened by the deplorable DOYS. You think Heathen chemistry is better I do mate. I love HC apart from FON and PAITM.
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Post by Ash & Debris on Aug 20, 2013 15:04:50 GMT -5
The last of Oasis classic albums.
Roll It Over and Gad Panic alone propel it to great heights.
I can see why a lot of people don't like it since its by far the most sophisticated and mature Oasis sound. It's a shame they didn't stay on that path.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 15:07:31 GMT -5
Said this before .... Many times as a matter fact ...Oasis got slammed for being repetitive ...when they try to be experimental they get slammed ....great lp,
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Post by scott1 on Aug 20, 2013 15:38:32 GMT -5
Said this before .... Many times as a matter fact ...Oasis got slammed for being repetitive ...when they try to be experimental they get slammed ....great lp, Couldn't agree more.
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Post by eva on Aug 20, 2013 15:40:27 GMT -5
Brilliant album. Extremely underrated.
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Post by Thomas on Aug 20, 2013 15:47:46 GMT -5
It is probably my favourite Oasis album. If LAMB, OWR and CUA or CIH were on the album instead of PYMWYMIs, LJ and ICSAL... wow. It would be the best album of the band (although its my favourite, the best is WTSMG).
I love Gas Panic!, Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love? and Roll It Over. Very underrated album.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Aug 20, 2013 16:19:44 GMT -5
Said this before .... Many times as a matter fact ...Oasis got slammed for being repetitive ...when they try to be experimental they get slammed ....great lp, Exactly what I think kalasAnd I really don't understand how people can say Oasis have just 2 good albums,this is just a popoular belief,I think all of them (even Heathen Chemistry!!!) are enjoyable
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 16:31:36 GMT -5
Said this before .... Many times as a matter fact ...Oasis got slammed for being repetitive ...when they try to be experimental they get slammed ....great lp, Exactly what I think kalasAnd I really don't understand how people can say Oasis have just 2 good albums,this is just a popoular belief,I think all of them (even Heathen Chemistry!!!) are enjoyable Even though doys is my least favorite , I agree wholeheartedly And the people who think that defmaybe00. Simply judged the rest off a ridiculously high standard that no band can sustain, even zep and the Beatles made albums that were very good but not all time classics like there best work ...Oasis got a bad rap for some quality work , partly because of that comment. About going to be bigger than the fab 4 I think they set there own bar too high and people judged accordingly IMO
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Post by Teotihuacan on Aug 20, 2013 16:34:46 GMT -5
Q Magazine flip-flopped on this (and also on BHN and MG for that matter) which just shows you what a fickle pile of crap rock critics are SOTSOG was 4/5 on release, and then 6 years later (possibly under new ownership) they had relegated it to a list of the "50 worst albums of all time".
Make up yer mind, lads.
The hardcore fans are the only people who seem to "get" this album, and if that's the case, it's fine by me, it's like a special secret that we have - the band were so overexposed in the 90s in the media and yet there's this hidden store of great material on this record that most people won't ever investigate or hear.
I believe I'm right in saying it's Ryan Adams' favourite Oasis LP which is pretty cool he'd pick this one.
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 20, 2013 16:54:02 GMT -5
Love this album, darker and with great production, I even like PYMWYMI.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 20, 2013 18:45:03 GMT -5
I'll be honest. When SOTSOG first came out I expected more. Noel talked a big game saying after BHN he was taking Oasis in a new, fresher sound. Yes the production was top notch but it lacked a typical big anthem single. The record was also way too dark for casual fans. Coming off DM, MG and BHN this album was a shocker for most. Darker tones, only 10 tracks, an instrumental, 2 Noel sung songs and 2 members quit while recording it. The real crime is the backlash spooked Noel from continuing to evolve the Oasis sound. Heathen Chemistry, despite awesome singles, was extremely safe production wise. This is not where I wanted Oasis to be in 2002. I'd have preferred if they went in similar direction Doves went down.
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 20, 2013 21:37:10 GMT -5
FITB - Led Zeppelin crossed with The Chemical Brothers, awesome. GLIO - That obscured experimental band The Beta Band canalized into one single song. WFL? - Nice production by Spike Stent, lots of found sounds throughout. PYMWYMI - A good filler, Noel attempting at wrinting a song without a chorus, Liam singing is on fire. LJ - Great melody, production and singing, but the poor lyrics still hurts. GP! - Classic, nice atmosphere, menacing song. They should have gone in this direction. WDIAGW? - Noel singing is amazing and very powerfull on this, you can hear Spike touchs here and there. SMC - A darker version of DLBIA, the song lost some of its power somewhere, but still a good song. ICSAL - Out of place on this album, a hard rock thing on a moody experimental album? RIO - Epic closer, the guitar solo is very Pink Floyd-esque, Liam does justice to this song, amzing singing.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 20, 2013 21:45:28 GMT -5
FITB - Led Zeppelin crossed with The Chemical Brothers, awesome. GLIO - That obscured experimental band The Beta Band canalized into one single song. WFL? - Nice production by Spike Stent, lots of found sounds throughout. PYMWYMI - A good filler, Noel attempting at wrinting a song without a chorus, Liam singing is on fire. LJ - Great melody, production and singing, but the poor lyrics still hurts. GP! - Classic, nice atmosphere, menacing song. They should have gone in this direction. WDIAGW? - Noel singing is amazing and very powerfull on this, you can hear Spike touchs here and there. SMC - A darker version of DLBIA, the song lost some of its power somewhere, but still a good song. ICSAL - Out of place on this album, a hard rock thing on a moody experimental album? RIO - Epic closer, the guitar solo is very Pink Floyd-esque, Liam does justice to this song, amzing singing. Fucking In The Bushes always reminded me of Jimi Hendrix.
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 20, 2013 22:24:20 GMT -5
Oh yeah, FITB sounds a bit like this Jimi Hendrix song, but the guitar sound is very Jimmy Page, and the drum loop is reminiscent of that Big Beat scene of the 90's.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Aug 21, 2013 1:05:55 GMT -5
The real crime is the backlash spooked Noel from continuing to evolve the Oasis sound. Yeah, this was too bad when you hear The Hindu Times 'demo' version and what a monster it could have been opening LP no.5,and to hear a bunch of other songs in that unusual novel production style would have been something. This was a strange time for the band though, Noel cycling on and off drugs, and both Gallaghers suffering horrendous divorces, the emergence of Liam as a respectable songwriter (Songbird was written around 2000), new members integrating who were encouraged to write but only offered up songs that sounded like the classic Oasis sound. Noel 's confidence was likely at an all time low when SOTSOG came out, even talking down the new album in interviews by saying it had "Two shit tracks", I wasn't a fan of the records after SOTSOG , but I'm glad they stayed together for another decade of pretty good, occassionally grest music, and I'm glad it pissed people off that they were still putting out albums and playing massive gigs to new, young fans.
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Post by allingoodtime on Aug 21, 2013 6:58:08 GMT -5
Probably my favourite Oasis album after WTSMG..very very under-rated.
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Post by scott1 on Aug 21, 2013 8:24:01 GMT -5
Probably my favourite Oasis album after WTSMG..very very under-rated. I'd wouldn't quite put it on the same level as Definitely Maybe but the two albums are like chalk and cheese, you can't really compare them. It is, however, a great album.
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Post by bardes on Aug 21, 2013 8:41:34 GMT -5
Not bad album, but not amazing. Few good tunes.
Roll It Over (BRILLIANT!), I Can See A Liar, Go Let It Out, Fuckin In The Bushes, Gas Panic - other songs are shitty.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 21, 2013 21:56:57 GMT -5
Such an underrated album. It was made during the most difficult period for Oasis (2000 - 2004), and it fits within the Oasis story as it is as dark as the time was for them. Good album, let down by 3 songs (very similar to the problem with DOYS).
When you think about it, SOTSOG is actually a semi-concept album, with the focus being on dark, troubled times. Gas Panic sums the album up perfectly. It's the perfect song for the album. Look at this: WFL, GP, WDIAGW,SMC, RIO all have serious undertones....PYMWYMI, LJ, and ICSAL throw the focus off completely.
SOTSOG would have been a GREAT album with 2-3 changes. [Actually, just put LAMB in place of PYMWYMI and it's already a thousand times better - I can deal with LJ, and ICSAL - 2 throwaway songs, surrounded by the rest being pure quality would have been more acceptable].
DOYS suffers from the exact same syndrome.
Why Noel continued to self-destruct the albums with what are clearly obvious poor tracklisting decisions will always boggle my mind. It's not like they didn't have the quality songs there. Ugh.
But it's ok, it's alright. ----
1. Fucking in the Bushes: Never really cared for this one. Worst Oasis opener to an album. Ok.
2. Go Let It Out: Typical, standard Oasis song, but I love it. Love the guitar solo at the end - classic Oasis, brilliant tune. Good.
3. Who Feels Love: Goes on a bit, but I really like it. "Now you understand that this is not the promise land they spoke of" is such a brilliantly loaded line, and nicely applies to today's let down of Obama. Just a great lyric. Good.
4. Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is: Ok, what the actual fuck Oasis? I actually don't mind the music (quite like the bass, actually), although it's very close to the drudge of HC's PAITM. Really, what was Noel thinking here? Sigh. Shite.
5. Little James: Improve the lyrics, and it's not too bad - melody is strong. I know at the time the concept was important to Liam, but a song about his child doesn't belong or fit here. With a little bit of work, it could have been a very special debut for Liam. Should have made it more broad of a concept. Opportunity missed. Ok/Shite.
6. Gas Panic: I find it overrated on the forum, but this is exactly a perfect song for this album. The previous 2 tracks fucked up what SOTSOG's represented, Gas Panic brings the focus back. Best lyrics Noel has ever written - pure poetry of going through the struggles of coming off of drugs. Experimental. Dark. Moody. Atmospheric. Brilliant. Good.
7. Where Did It All Go Wrong: Again, perfect fit for the album, and for what Oasis were experiencing at the time. Good.
8. Sunday Morning Call: Underrated on the forum. Should NOT be right after WDIAGW as it's too similar, especially with both songs being sung by Noel. But once again, fits with this album. I sometimes actually prefer it to WDIAGW. Good.
9. I Can See A Liar: From what I've read on here, this was included because Noel wanted an energetic, rocking song. It's so idiotic and once again throws the album off focus. WHAT THE FUCK, NOEL? Shite.
10. Roll It Over: Great conclusion to the album. Drags on a bit, and it's overrated on this forum - it's nowhere near the lesser cousin of Champagne Supernova....Although I do wish the opening lyric was "I could give a hundred million reasons to BUILD A BETTER PLACE" - makes more sense, and fits with the melody. Ok.
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 21, 2013 22:14:25 GMT -5
"Barricade" makes much more sense than "better place", cos at the time he was in defensive mode, that was what he was feeling at the time.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 21, 2013 22:18:57 GMT -5
Like many have said, the record is semi sabotaged by 3 lackluster tunes. Noel should have waited until he had another 2-3 songs along with LAMB. It's ok to be dark and different but the Oasis war machine needed a big radio single coming off the BHN backlash. This was the time Oasis (Noel) needed complete focus, especially once off the drugs.
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